Bit of Confusion on the Safety rating
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Bit of Confusion on the Safety rating
http://www.auto-power-girl.com/cars-...our_stars.html
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Getting a rating of five stars at the safety tests nowadays is a must. The real battle is not taken in which automaker gets the most cars with a safety rating of five stars, but who can get the maximum number of points and if possible a four or five star rating at the children and pedestal safety category. The days when cars like the Dodge Viper had a safety rating of only two or three stars are gone. Nowadays even muscle cars should and must get a safety rating of five stars.
The Australian engineered version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro had a pitiful performance at the recent NCAP equivalent tests (the NHTSA crash tests). The Australian version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro managed to get a safety rating of only four stars. The result came as a surprise, as the car got a maximum rating of five stars at the roll over tests and side impact tests. Unfortunately, the frontal impact tests were not as good, and the Australian version of the Chevrolet Camaro managed to get a safety rating of just four stars, a result that lowered the overall score.
To make the best idea of this result, we have to let you know that the main competitor of the Chevrolet Camaro, the Ford Mustang, managed to get a safety rating of five stars at all of the safety tests. Because of this result, the Ford Mustang might get the lead in terms of sales in the following months, as the Chevrolet Camaro has been outselling the Mustang in the last period of time. ""
Why did GM test the Austrialian version of the Camaro for the crash test ratings in the U.S?
""
Getting a rating of five stars at the safety tests nowadays is a must. The real battle is not taken in which automaker gets the most cars with a safety rating of five stars, but who can get the maximum number of points and if possible a four or five star rating at the children and pedestal safety category. The days when cars like the Dodge Viper had a safety rating of only two or three stars are gone. Nowadays even muscle cars should and must get a safety rating of five stars.The Australian engineered version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro had a pitiful performance at the recent NCAP equivalent tests (the NHTSA crash tests). The Australian version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro managed to get a safety rating of only four stars. The result came as a surprise, as the car got a maximum rating of five stars at the roll over tests and side impact tests. Unfortunately, the frontal impact tests were not as good, and the Australian version of the Chevrolet Camaro managed to get a safety rating of just four stars, a result that lowered the overall score.
To make the best idea of this result, we have to let you know that the main competitor of the Chevrolet Camaro, the Ford Mustang, managed to get a safety rating of five stars at all of the safety tests. Because of this result, the Ford Mustang might get the lead in terms of sales in the following months, as the Chevrolet Camaro has been outselling the Mustang in the last period of time. ""
Why did GM test the Austrialian version of the Camaro for the crash test ratings in the U.S?
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It shouldn't be any different. NHTSA wouldn't allow the test if it was. That person either doesn't know what they are talking about, or its bad wording. The Camaro was always Australian engineered if that's what they meant.
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but who can get the maximum number of points and if possible a four or five star rating at the children and pedestal safety category.
had a pitiful performance ......... safety rating of only four stars.
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http://www.auto-power-girl.com/cars-...our_stars.html
""Getting a rating of five stars at the safety tests nowadays is a must. The real battle is not taken in which automaker gets the most cars with a safety rating of five stars, but who can get the maximum number of points and if possible a four or five star rating at the children and pedestal safety category. The days when cars like the Dodge Viper had a safety rating of only two or three stars are gone. Nowadays even muscle cars should and must get a safety rating of five stars.
The Australian engineered version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro had a pitiful performance at the recent NCAP equivalent tests (the NHTSA crash tests). The Australian version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro managed to get a safety rating of only four stars. The result came as a surprise, as the car got a maximum rating of five stars at the roll over tests and side impact tests. Unfortunately, the frontal impact tests were not as good, and the Australian version of the Chevrolet Camaro managed to get a safety rating of just four stars, a result that lowered the overall score.
To make the best idea of this result, we have to let you know that the main competitor of the Chevrolet Camaro, the Ford Mustang, managed to get a safety rating of five stars at all of the safety tests. Because of this result, the Ford Mustang might get the lead in terms of sales in the following months, as the Chevrolet Camaro has been outselling the Mustang in the last period of time. ""
Why did GM test the Austrialian version of the Camaro for the crash test ratings in the U.S?
""
Getting a rating of five stars at the safety tests nowadays is a must. The real battle is not taken in which automaker gets the most cars with a safety rating of five stars, but who can get the maximum number of points and if possible a four or five star rating at the children and pedestal safety category. The days when cars like the Dodge Viper had a safety rating of only two or three stars are gone. Nowadays even muscle cars should and must get a safety rating of five stars.The Australian engineered version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro had a pitiful performance at the recent NCAP equivalent tests (the NHTSA crash tests). The Australian version of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro managed to get a safety rating of only four stars. The result came as a surprise, as the car got a maximum rating of five stars at the roll over tests and side impact tests. Unfortunately, the frontal impact tests were not as good, and the Australian version of the Chevrolet Camaro managed to get a safety rating of just four stars, a result that lowered the overall score.
To make the best idea of this result, we have to let you know that the main competitor of the Chevrolet Camaro, the Ford Mustang, managed to get a safety rating of five stars at all of the safety tests. Because of this result, the Ford Mustang might get the lead in terms of sales in the following months, as the Chevrolet Camaro has been outselling the Mustang in the last period of time. ""
Why did GM test the Austrialian version of the Camaro for the crash test ratings in the U.S?
Here's a link to the original article (from an Australian site). Note how much BS personal opinion and alteration the person who cut, pasted, then interjected their own words into the the article by the time it wound up in the form of the original post and link above:
Camaro only gets four-star safety rating
August 7, 2009 by George Skentzos
Achieving the maximum five-star safety rating in crash tests has become the norm for most modern cars, especially for headlining models such as the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro.
However it seems the Australian engineered Chevrolet Camaro didn’t perform quite as expected in recent NHTSA crash testing – the US equivalent of ANCAP – achieving only a four-star safety rating.
The Camaro managed to score the maximum five-star rating for side and roll-over testing, but the car’s front impact rating of only four-stars dragged down the overall score.
In comparison, its main rival the Ford Mustang managed to achieve the maximum five-star rating across all tests, making this a less than ideal result for the Camaro, which has managed to outsell its arch rival for the second successive month.
With the Camaro sharing its underpinnings with the VE Commodore, it seems Holden engineers may have overlooked a few simple design flaws, with the Commodore itself initially receiving only a four-star ANCAP rating.
This safety concern was eventually rectified by Holden through the addition of a steering column shroud energy absorber across the VE sedan range that helps to reduce driver knee injuries.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/37755/ca...safety-rating/.
August 7, 2009 by George Skentzos
Achieving the maximum five-star safety rating in crash tests has become the norm for most modern cars, especially for headlining models such as the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro.
However it seems the Australian engineered Chevrolet Camaro didn’t perform quite as expected in recent NHTSA crash testing – the US equivalent of ANCAP – achieving only a four-star safety rating.
The Camaro managed to score the maximum five-star rating for side and roll-over testing, but the car’s front impact rating of only four-stars dragged down the overall score.
In comparison, its main rival the Ford Mustang managed to achieve the maximum five-star rating across all tests, making this a less than ideal result for the Camaro, which has managed to outsell its arch rival for the second successive month.
With the Camaro sharing its underpinnings with the VE Commodore, it seems Holden engineers may have overlooked a few simple design flaws, with the Commodore itself initially receiving only a four-star ANCAP rating.
This safety concern was eventually rectified by Holden through the addition of a steering column shroud energy absorber across the VE sedan range that helps to reduce driver knee injuries.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/37755/ca...safety-rating/.
But... unlike the person who rewrote and interjected personal BS into it, it shows clearly what the fix was and that it isn't a structural problem... let alone there wasn't some unknown "Australian Version" of the Camaro.
Yes, the G8 is also a 4 star rated car. Some later G8s may be a 5 star car (the changes were done "on-the-run", and the shroud was instituted across the line at Holden).
Funny thing about that 4 star rating. The Camaro rated 5 stars in side impacts and rollovers. I think next year's Camaro will be 5 star as North America's Camaro adopts Holden's safety upgrade.
An "Australian version of the Camaro"???
"Because of this result, the Ford Mustang might get the lead in terms of sales in the following months"???
"The real battle is not taken in which automaker gets the most cars with a safety rating of five stars, but who can get the maximum number of points and if possible a four or five star rating at the children and pedestal safety category"???
All hogwashed bulls*it interjected by a wannabe.
This whole story shows how on the internet someone can take a legitamate story, and butcher it's facts with interjected opinion and pass the whole thing off as their own story and change the whole meaning and tone.
Last edited by guionM; Sep 6, 2009 at 06:14 PM.
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They're splitting hairs here, I think. My thought is that the most critical safety ratings are those for side impacts.
Why? Your head (most critical piece) is the closest to the exterior dimensions of the vehicle when approached from the side.
Frontal impacts can be absorbed with sheet metal, plastic, glass, bumpers. The impact occurs feet from your head and vital organs. With a 4-star frontal rating, the likelihood for injury is probably appendages (ankles/feet/legs from intruding front wheels). The other possibility is spinal injury, but the Camaro has nice high-back buckets to help with that. On the side? All you've got is a door with a re-bar and some airbags, and you really sit pretty close to it. The potential for injury is high, and ridiculously high if you collide with a tall vehicle (SUV). A steel bumper will come through a glass window like it wasn't even there.
Why? Your head (most critical piece) is the closest to the exterior dimensions of the vehicle when approached from the side.
Frontal impacts can be absorbed with sheet metal, plastic, glass, bumpers. The impact occurs feet from your head and vital organs. With a 4-star frontal rating, the likelihood for injury is probably appendages (ankles/feet/legs from intruding front wheels). The other possibility is spinal injury, but the Camaro has nice high-back buckets to help with that. On the side? All you've got is a door with a re-bar and some airbags, and you really sit pretty close to it. The potential for injury is high, and ridiculously high if you collide with a tall vehicle (SUV). A steel bumper will come through a glass window like it wasn't even there.
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They're splitting hairs here, I think. My thought is that the most critical safety ratings are those for side impacts.
Why? Your head (most critical piece) is the closest to the exterior dimensions of the vehicle when approached from the side.
Frontal impacts can be absorbed with sheet metal, plastic, glass, bumpers. The impact occurs feet from your head and vital organs. With a 4-star frontal rating, the likelihood for injury is probably appendages (ankles/feet/legs from intruding front wheels). The other possibility is spinal injury, but the Camaro has nice high-back buckets to help with that. On the side? All you've got is a door with a re-bar and some airbags, and you really sit pretty close to it. The potential for injury is high, and ridiculously high if you collide with a tall vehicle (SUV). A steel bumper will come through a glass window like it wasn't even there.
Why? Your head (most critical piece) is the closest to the exterior dimensions of the vehicle when approached from the side.
Frontal impacts can be absorbed with sheet metal, plastic, glass, bumpers. The impact occurs feet from your head and vital organs. With a 4-star frontal rating, the likelihood for injury is probably appendages (ankles/feet/legs from intruding front wheels). The other possibility is spinal injury, but the Camaro has nice high-back buckets to help with that. On the side? All you've got is a door with a re-bar and some airbags, and you really sit pretty close to it. The potential for injury is high, and ridiculously high if you collide with a tall vehicle (SUV). A steel bumper will come through a glass window like it wasn't even there.
To a large degree, head on impacts will still kill you if you're moving fast enough (you will suffer massive fatal brain damage from deceleration even you wind up with barely more than a bruise... how Sam Kineson died). Outside of fatal speeds, between airbags, seatbelts, and crumple zones, we're down to the point where our body's in capacity to withstand deceleration does far more damage to us than blunt trama. All cars can take a 45 mph rear end hit, and some can even take an unofficial 60 mph plus rear ender.
Now, side impacts and rollover safety is what's vital. Not only can it save your life and represents most severe crashes, having superior safety in these 2 areas can mean the difference between healing bruises after an accident or eating through a straw and talking via blinks for the rest of your life.
In these 2 areas, Camaro is top of it's class.
I think if I survived a front end crash at a high speed, I wouldn't be woried too much about that 10-20% chance of a mild to moderate leg injury.That still equals an 80-90% chance I'd walk away uninjured.
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This comes from Scott Settlemire when I mentioned on the Podcast that the 4th gen got a 5-star rating but the 5th gen only got 4 stars...
So this may be a contributing reason that the 5th gen only got 4 stars.
The 4th gen had a 5 star crash rating (frontal crash) until 1998 -- when it dropped to a 4-star crash rating...and the reason it dropped is that we "depowered" the airbags -- simply because the force was such that you could cause MORE injury depending on the crash -- (and if you were wearing sunglasses or eyeglasses..) -- so the star rating doesn't really tell the entire story.
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I have always wondered what the actual delta is between identical front end collisions between 4 and 5 sar cars. Something tells me a fatal crash in a four star car ir probably still fatal in a 5 star car.
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