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Old 01-20-2006, 11:09 AM
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

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Errrr...
Why?
When we travel, we take stuff like clothes, computers, car wash supplies, lawn chairs, coolers, etc along. They all need to go somewhere. We use the trunk and the folded down backseat. On those rare occasions when bitter cold or extreme precipitation causes us to travel with the roof up, we find it a challenge to find a place to store the tonneua covers. IIRC, T-tops cars have fancy little holders at the bottom of the hatch well, pretty much using all of that space. So my question to you, "How do you travel, meaning vacation, with the T's out?
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

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Errrr...
Why?


Because stowing the T-tops during a road trip takes away your luggage space.
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

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Design staff.
Watch it there...we're not all black turtle necks, overly trendy black glasses and what ever else you mentioned....

Some of us are required to use both sides of our brain.
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I remember one of the big complaints about the 3rd & 4th gens was the claustraphobic feeling of sitting in the rear seats with the large B pillars....

I can see how a "hidden" B pillar wouldn't screw up the exterior visuals, but from the inside...holy blind spot Batman!
From the looks of the C-pillars, the concept seems to have only moved the blind spot further rearward. No improvement from my initial impressions.
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Because stowing the T-tops during a road trip takes away your luggage space.
The David Pearson answer.
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

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Because stowing the T-tops during a road trip takes away your luggage space.
Dear Lord. You have GOT TO be kidding.

If it bothers you that much, leave 'em on the roof.

Guess what's going to go into the little trunk space an F5 convertible is going to have...

That's right, the top.
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Watch it there...we're not all black turtle necks, overly trendy black glasses and what ever else you mentioned....

Some of us are required to use both sides of our brain.
Color coordinating your tie while dreaming about new floral arrangements only utilizes ONE side of your brain.
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

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Dear Lord. You have GOT TO be kidding.

If it bothers you that much, leave 'em on the roof.

Guess what's going to go into the little trunk space an F5 convertible is going to have...

That's right, the top.

One step ahead of you. There's more than one reason I don't own a t-top car. That's why I prefer a hard top in a coupe. Or better yet, drive a convertible so messing with the t-tops aren't even an issue.
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Dear Lord. You have GOT TO be kidding.

If it bothers you that much, leave 'em on the roof.
With logic like that I'm really glad you don't work for GM.

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Guess what's going to go into the little trunk space an F5 convertible is going to have...

That's right, the top.
Then 5th gen sales are down by 1.
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With logic like that I'm really glad you don't work for GM.
What exactly is illogical about that???

When you remove the T-tops, they go in the trunk.

When you put the convertible top down, IT GOES IN THE TRUNK.

Either way, you're losing trunk space, so pray tell me how a set of T-tops in the trunk taking up some space is worse than a convertible top taking up a WHOLE BUNCH of space.

Furthermore, because of the way convertible tops are installed in the vehicle, the T-top car is going to have more trunk space when the tops are on the roof than the convertible will with the top up.

Where, precisely, do you expect the convertible to go??? And did you see that decklid? Putting a pack of cigarettes back there is going to require some creative origami skills ON THE HARDTOP. Just imagine what it's going to be like with the top down.



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Then 5th gen sales are down by 1.
Go buy a Malibu or Impala then.

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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

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What exactly is illogical about that???

When you remove the T-tops, they go in the trunk.

When you put the convertible top down, IT GOES IN THE TRUNK.
Odd. The roof on my 4th gen stacks up nicely right behind the backseat over the fuel tank. The whole trunk well remains open and accessible.

Even the Corvette retains some semblance of a trunk.


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Go buy a Malibu or Impala then.
Last time I looked they were FWD 4 doors that didn't come in the convertible flavour. Corvette on the other hand.

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Bye!
Sorry to see you're leaving.

You may comment on the Aztek the day you run a 9 in the mid-140's, bub.
BTW ...what did you do with the Aztec to get it to run 9's?

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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

Originally Posted by PacerX
Guy,

The solution is to go with a larger C pillar and no roll-down quarter window.
To me, the big selling point was the roll down rear windows the concept has. If it's going to be fixed, then I'd rather have the B-pillar and T-tops. Without the B pillar, the T tops would look as right as they did on the pre-85 Fox Mustang coupes.

My other comment to Scott at the roll-out the next day:

"I was at the Opera House for the Corvette, and this is bigger.
There's electricity in the air.
That quarter glass is going to be trouble."
YOU AREN'T KIDDING (about Camaro's unveiling)!!! The reaction was unbelieveable.


Sorry I missed you, BTW. I would love to have had the chance to shoot the breeze with you.

Besides, my wife keeps me under control pretty well, and she was there... she's got a wicked left hook.
....and there wasn't enough room to run.
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

B pillar... noooooooo
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

Wasn't the reason for t-tops coming into existence the fact that GM, and many other companies, stopped making verts altogether for a number of years, making t-tops the 'convertables' of their initial days? Now that verts have been back for awhile, couldn't we scale back on the t-tops? The profitability of t-tops is hard to argue against, let alone their coolness, but incorporating it into the design that has already caused such a positive stir looks like it will be a pain...

I personally think that the idea of rolling down 1/4 glass has been out of the mainstream for so long (with the exception of the BMW 8 series, and probably a few others) that it might be well recieved in non-enthusiast circles, perhaps helping to sell a few v6 models so we can have more z-28s and SS's.

If t-tops don't make it into the 5th gen, they should definitely work them into the 6th gen, to give us something to talk about further down the road.
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

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What exactly is illogical about that???

When you remove the T-tops, they go in the trunk.

When you put the convertible top down, IT GOES IN THE TRUNK.

Either way, you're losing trunk space, so pray tell me how a set of T-tops in the trunk taking up some space is worse than a convertible top taking up a WHOLE BUNCH of space.

Furthermore, because of the way convertible tops are installed in the vehicle, the T-top car is going to have more trunk space when the tops are on the roof than the convertible will with the top up.

Where, precisely, do you expect the convertible to go??? And did you see that decklid? Putting a pack of cigarettes back there is going to require some creative origami skills ON THE HARDTOP. Just imagine what it's going to be like with the top down.





Go buy a Malibu or Impala then.

Bye!
Obviously you dont own a T-Top 4th Gen (like my 98) as they take the entire trunk. I cant imaging the convertable 4th gen taking the entire trunk.

But thanks for clearing it up for us!
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