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cjmatt 06-10-2006 01:52 AM

All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 
Went for a ride tonight in my buddies LS7 Powered SS and all I can say is wow. GM, if youre listening, this car needs an LS7!!!!

number77 06-10-2006 02:38 AM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 
Why not ask for something better than an LS7?
Maybe next time your friend buys a Camaro, it will be such a car that he won't have to resort to dropping in a new engine, to go faster. Maybe he'll just need a couple hundred bucks in parts.

Ron78Z&01SS 06-10-2006 04:21 AM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 

Originally Posted by number77
Why not ask for something better than an LS7?

Damn you're greedy! :p

Me? I'd be perfectly content with THE LS7's 505 horsepower :metal:

JasonD 06-10-2006 07:34 AM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 
Who has an LS7 in their Camaro?

JoeliusZ28 06-10-2006 07:47 AM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 

Originally Posted by cjmatt
Went for a ride tonight in my buddies LS7 Powered SS and all I can say is wow. GM, if youre listening, this car needs an LS7!!!!

i knew you had to be from around here, cause im pretty sure only one person has done it so far

Mike2001SS 06-10-2006 08:14 AM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 
I could live with a new LS7 vert forsure

RussStang 06-10-2006 11:50 AM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 

Originally Posted by number77
Why not ask for something better than an LS7?
Maybe next time your friend buys a Camaro, it will be such a car that he won't have to resort to dropping in a new engine, to go faster. Maybe he'll just need a couple hundred bucks in parts.


Intake, exhaust cam LS7s have made over 600rwhp. I think some of them are making around 650rwhp, if I remember correctly. Hoiw much more power do you actually want?

guionM 06-10-2006 12:08 PM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 

Originally Posted by cjmatt
Went for a ride tonight in my buddies LS7 Powered SS and all I can say is wow. GM, if youre listening, this car needs an LS7!!!!

An LS7 in a Camaro SS. :blah:

Taking you at your word, and your 'buddy' sprang the $18,000 for an LS7 crate engine, plus $$$ for instillation and programing, it's a sure bet that Camaro won't have this engine, and for anyone wanting a shot at affording this car, that's a good thing IMO.

First off, LS7 is a hand made, high cost and content, low production engine. The facility it's made at simply can't make more LS7s than it already does.

Secondly, the most cost effective way to create power is via supercharger. Though it's heavier, it's also far and away cheaper than an LS7. I can easily see the system being developed for the $100,000 Stingray being bolted to a smaller, lower cost engine for the "Super Camaro".

LS7s cost 18 grand. A supercharger & intercooler system is about 5, and produces the same power. Which do you think GM is going to go with.

Finally, by all accounts, the engines slated for Camaro aren't in production yet. The displacements are mostly in existence now, but the actual engines and horsepower isn't.

graham 06-10-2006 12:44 PM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 
I dont believe id want 505hp on a lil 4" bore hypereutectic (sp?) piston. Thats asking a lot for a driven car.

It isnt as bad spread over the LS7's larger bore space.

500hp is pushing it on a 6.0L motor without at least a forged piston and a minor fuel pump upgrade and some tuning software.

I know some guys are "doing it already" but im talking about for 150K plus miles.

mgreen 06-10-2006 12:59 PM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 

Originally Posted by guionM
First off, LS7 is a hand made, high cost and content, low production engine. The facility it's made at simply can't make more LS7s than it already does.

LS7s cost 18 grand. A supercharger & intercooler system is about 5, and produces the same power. Which do you think GM is going to go with.

You make some good points, but the LS7 doesn't cost $18k more than an LS2. LS2 is what? $6k-ish? Then add supercharger + plumbing. . . that's an additional ~$5k.

Still less than an LS7, but alot more than just $5k. Not to mention, the supercharged engine would need to be redone correctly to be supercharged and to hopefully keep warranty repairs to a minimum.

And they keep saying weight is a big issue. I'm hoping for some 6.X liter LSx variant making 450-500hp in the top dog.

mike

number77 06-10-2006 01:30 PM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 

Originally Posted by RussStang
Intake, exhaust cam LS7s have made over 600rwhp. I think some of them are making around 650rwhp, if I remember correctly. Hoiw much more power do you actually want?

Well, I'm not sure how long that would last.


Originally Posted by guionM
The displacements are mostly in existence now, but the actual engines and horsepower isn't.

Production ready engine aren't, but they sure are ambitious.

shock6906 06-10-2006 01:44 PM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 
Here's an LS-7 Camaro:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...Picture061.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...Picture057.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...Picture059.jpg

graham 06-10-2006 01:47 PM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 
http://www.paceperformance.com/index...&ProdID=154032

The LS7 is under 14K, FWIW.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-...QQcmdZViewItem
Here is a used LS2 and trans too out of a wrecked car.

RussStang 06-10-2006 02:04 PM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 

Originally Posted by number77
Well, I'm not sure how long that would last.

I can't see why it wouldn't last that long. The engine is still not very stressed, even on the 650rwhp setup.

RussStang 06-10-2006 02:05 PM

Re: All I know is that the 5th Gen better have an LS7
 

Originally Posted by guionM
An LS7 in a Camaro SS. :blah:

Taking you at your word, and your 'buddy' sprang the $18,000 for an LS7 crate engine, plus $$$ for instillation and programing, it's a sure bet that Camaro won't have this engine, and for anyone wanting a shot at affording this car, that's a good thing IMO.

Graham is correct. LS7s are not $18k. It is only a matter of time before an LS7 shows up in an fbody, if it hasn't already happened. Katech was doing the swap a few weeks ago, and by now it could be done.


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