Hell no.

People who buy performance cars do. They'll also be aware of the difference in driving dynamics between a 400hp V8 a 300hp V6 or a FI car vs an NA one. If you know those driving expiriences then youll also have a favorite, and that will be the car you pick.

You're proving my arguement anyway, A quick trip to Porsches website will show you that the performance on 80% of their vehicles is laughable, people who buy a Porsche, wanted a Porsche. Not a 500hp car. People who buy a Corvette want a Corvette not a 500hp car.

You can "compare" an H1 to a miata if you like. But you aren't comparing the vehicles. You're comparing the genres. Truck vs. Roadster. Well I could haul stuff in the H1 (as you could in any truck) but the miata is a convertible (so are most other roadsters.

Same thing with Camaro vs. IS, Corvette vs Porsche. You're comparing a Performance car to "luxury" car.

The fact that is says "Camaro" on it means its personality is set in stone. Of course it will perform differently. It still conjures a very specific image when you hear it, see it, taste it.

 

I dont see why Camaro Sport coupe couldnt at least be loosely compared to Lexus IS Luxury sport Sedan. It will definately be compared performance wise and to the 3 Series coupe performance wise on top end models.

And which very specific image were you refering to? 3 box design or hatch back? Jet Fighter or Golden age in your face Style? With all the complete redesigns over the years the only thing that seems set in stone is front engine rear drive V8 4 seater coupe pointed front end, and even those things seamed shaky looking the history of at Nova(80's), Impalla & Monte Carlo(today) and then Baretta was it for Camaro replacement?

 

You can compare it all you like. However, very few people are going to be loosing sleep deciding whether they want a Camaro or IS 350.

 

Why not? They are the same kind of car, at the same price point?



Your response was to me, but I didn't write any of what you responded to here.

 

It would be more of a comparison if there were a 2dr IS. In no way am I saying for the car not to be affordable anymore but at the upper end. My only point was there is alot of market share and company image potential in Camaro at the upper levels that have yet to be unlocked ala M3 competition Z06 style.

 

IS coupe may be on the way. Rumor mill say an IS coupe disguised as a sedan has been seen testing.

Corvette is 45k and makes 400hp. Boxter is 45k and makes 240hp

If all things were really and truley equal then no one would EVER buy a Porsche. Clearly Porsche is selling something Corvette isn't. Its not performance, its not features...

Its exclusivity, its brand recognition, its perception, its luxury all those things that you can't put a number on, but are of the utmost importance to some people. Those people are the only ones who buy those types of cars, and those are the only types they buy.

 

Um, were you not the one trying to make a point that performance isn't a concern to the buyer? If if you are in fact right, why bring it up in your arguement? You don't think people at the very least cross shop between cars with a like personality and a similar pricepoint? Not every is a Corvette or Porsche fan through and through; some people actually check things out on their own.

Have you actually ever driven a Porsche? On paper they don't perform as well as some of their competitors, but a drive in a Boxster S is a very involving and rewarding pleasure. I know if I was rich, and money was no object, and I had to choose between a C6 z06 and a Porsche 997 911 Turbo, I am taking the Turbo. As fast, if not faster then the Vette, easier to live with on a daily basis (and I don't buy cars to keep them in the garage), and torture tested in some of the coldest places that civilization still springs up.

 

No I was not. He wasn't, I didn't.

Ive said the whole time, no one is staying up late over it.

I have no doubt they are fun in their own way. That way however is going to be different from a Corvette. Which is another one of many differences that seperate them in the marketplace although they may be superficially the same type of vehicle.

A Miata is a two seat roadster and they're a blast to drive from what I hear. Optioned out its 30k thats a 15k difference between that a Corvette, about the same difference between a Corvette and a Boxter S but I guarantee you no one is loosing sleep over whether to get a Miata or a Corvette.

Car companies have warehouses full of those little cards you get at the auto show and when you buy a new car that say "How old are you? M/F?" and that data backs up what Im saying. That performance vehicles especially have a very narrow market of buyers who aren't interested in many cars outside the one they are interested in.

 

Well, I guess there needs to be no revisions to performance for the C7 then, since someone who is going to buy a Vette is only going to buy a Vette, and not at least look around. I have no doubt there are plenty of people out there that have only the desire to buy strictly a Vette, but I know of too many well off people's parents who "would have gone with the Vette, but the SLK was nicer inside."

I don't feel saying people cross shopping a Vette and a Boxster is nearly as much of a stretch as the GT500/Vette thing that went on a month or two ago on here. Do you have the market research on the cars? Maybe Guy will chime in here. He seems to live or die by market research.

 

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I think it is very possible that someone would cross shop a Boxter and Corvette as they are similar in price. Especially someone who may want an image car instead of sports car that excels in one area or another.

At any rate, I voted smaller mainly cause I wouldn't want it bigger.