2015 Camaro Rumors
 

According to our friends at GM Authority at http://gmauthority.com/blog/2012/09/...rful-than-zl1/ "Chevy Camaro To Receive Supercharged "LT4" V8 Engine By 2015, Will Be More Powerful Than ZL1".

This is based on a thread at Corvette Forum http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...more-info.html

What do you think?

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Well, I DID mention a SUPER CAMARO April 2011, that would be the most impressive Chevrolet ever......

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I would be pleasantly surprised if a Camaro gets the LT4 if the same engine is earmarked for the top Corvette... but you never know.

I was merely hoping for an upgrade on the 1LE to the LT1... but this would be even better if true.

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Can't they use a new RPO code for the engines (if we're to believe that it will be an LT4)?
We keep bouncing back & forth between LTs and LSs.

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Bring back the LG4!!

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Things are sizing up nicely.

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will the 6th gen be out by then? or will this be in the 5th gen?

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Good news but ill be more excited to hear rumors how the car is going to be an overall efficient design in terms of space and weight. Gm nailed it on the Corvette and Cadillac ATS. Lets hope they nail it on the 6th gen

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6th GEN..

Bill

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I view the apparent fact that they think they need "more power" as a negative. A sub-3500 lb. Camaro with C6 Z06 horsepower would be quicker than the current ZL1.

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Maybe they don't "need" more power but when it comes to marketing it never hurts.

If the 6th Gen is going on Alpha I don't think we need to be concerned that it will weigh more than what we currently have.

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WHAT IF, the 6th gen would be built in Bowling Green...expansion, yet it once had the Caddy XLR line in it..."performance division"....."american muscle".........vert tops made in bowling green (logisitcs?) The 2014 Impala is coming out early 2013.....the 2010 Camaro started early 2009.....soooo 2016 Camaro early 2015? Maybe?

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I agree. It is one thing to use LT1 because "1" is starting over. But why call this LT4? Why not LT2 or LT9?

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they already got that, it's a corvette, I for one dont want the camaro down sized, the whole idea for the camaro is to be some what pratical. I dont see what the big deal is with having a 3700# camaro.

and it appears GM is once again wasting too much money in R&D and is going to bankrupt itself again. They had a good thing going with running each generation of camaro for 10 years, they should do it again. Not this spend 8 years designing a great car and then throw away all that progress after only 5 years of sales. The 5th gens are still very hot cars, they have a lot of sales left in them. There shouldnt be any talk of a 6th gen yet, it should be very quite ,it will only hurt sales.

The real improvement GM can make to the 5th gen is to come out with a Z28 with a smaller v8 and a lower price tag than the SS, if you could get a striped down v8 camaro price in the middle then it would attract a lot of buyers.

Futhermore Gm needs to concentrate on making quality vechicles and improving their reputation for reliability while making small astetic changes necessary to bolster sales like what they have done with the 2013 malibu. this is how the *** brands are run.

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Thank god you are not running GM. Everything you suggest is what got GM into trouble. 10 years is way to long for 1 generation. And yes the car has to shrink and lose a lot of weight. All cars do. Weight is the enemy.

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I agree put the Camaro on a diet. No AC, no electric windows, same motor as the 1 LE, but with the ZL-1 magnetic ride control. = Z/28

is it crazy talk to think they could get the car down to 3400 pounds????

Come on we're the country that putting a f%^ing man on the moon. How hard could this be?

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Crazy talk....

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These are common requests but the problem is that it will hurt sales and actually discredit the vehicle line to the majority of the buyers. By not having AC, power this and that...people will think that Chevrolet is a substandard company. Consumers have grown to expect things like that coming standard on any car. Only a small percentage will want or even understand a true 1LE, and the rest will scoff at the perceived cheapness of Chevrolet and go elsewhere.

It is easier to put a man on the moon than change consumer mindset. Ask any marketer. :)

Actually, most consumers will ask "Ford/BMW/etc. can put AC on their performance car, how hard could this be for Chevrolet?"

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Deleting A/C and electric windows will save 10s of pounds on a car that's 100s of pounds overweight. Hell, sometimes electric windows are lighter than manuals! Difficult/impossible to "add light weight" to an inherently big and heavy platform :( It is *too late* for this Camaro iteration.

Here's hoping that the next one is *significantly* smaller and lighterweight. Reports that the C7 is actually heavier than the C6 Corvette are not encouraging, though...

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Plus I believe that it would cost more to re-engineer the car to not have things that come standard as everything is so integrated together in the vehicle.

I'll bet my clockweights it will be...or a significant attempt will be made. The question everyone needs to ask is "How much more are you willing to pay to have it made of lighter, more expensive materials because...

Chevrolet is saying it is around 10% lighter. I think the number is 11% actually and the cost is expected to rise 10%.

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It shouldn't be made lightweight via expensive materials. It should be made lightweight by being made on a much smaller platform.

Toyobaru made a brand new FR 2+2, the Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ. It is no bigger and weighs no more than a 1990ish 240SX, while being at the same performance and price points. No exotic materials required. They're doing pretty well...

No reason Chevy shouldn't be able to make a modern 3400 lb. V8 Camaro without resorting to exotic materials, either.

Done right, lighter-weight is *cheaper* than overweight. For the same performance, you can run a less powerful engine and smaller wheels/tires/brakes, etc. There's a big knock-on effect if you start with a reasonably small lightweight platform. Ditto if you start with a big, overweight platform. You add a ton more cost and additional weight to get the desired performance.

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The Camaro should NOT be competing with the FR-S and BRZ. Let the Code 130 go after those. That class is too small to be a Camaro. And that class is the wrong target for Camaro.
I could see the Camaro losing an inch here or an inch there, but that's about it.
It should certainly NEVER be smaller than the original car.

BTW, Charlie over at GM Insider posted that there may be a RWD chassis in development that's smaller than Alpha. If that's true, THAT platform can be used to go after the rice burners. And they can come up with a new name for it when they do.

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Thank goodness someone on this website sees things the way I do. :D

If the next gen Camaro is moving to Alpha+ as it is rumored, its going to be roughly the same size and weight as the current model. It may shave an inch here and there, get a nip and a tuck, and perhaps lose up to 200-lbs. But it isn't going to be competing with the Toyobaru RWD twins.

Chevrolet needs to push the Code 130 into production, and as a 2-door coupe AND a 4-door sedan. (I bet the 4-door would sell at least 2X more than the 2-door.)

Interesting. If true, I wonder how the price matches up with the small FWD platforms. At that entry point, I don't see a huge market for cheap small RWD coupes (smaller than Alpha), but perhaps a low-volume, high content Buick or Cadillac might have a market. ;)

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That's not exactly what I was saying. I *do* think that they should compete for some of the same customers. Both are (or *should* be smallish/relatively lightweight FR 2+2s. One with modest 4-cylinder power and one with big V8 horsepower optional.

My point was that if a manufacturer can make a modern version of a ~1990 240SX at the *same weight*, without resorting to exotic materials or manufacturing methods, GM can make a modern 3400 lb. V8 Camaro without resorting to exotic materials or manufacturing methods.

Are they going to make that? Chrissakes I hope they lower the hood/fenders/beltline about 4" or so!

No, the Camaro *should* be a smallish car. That was the original idea: small 2+2 with somepower. It emphatically should NOT be a 3800-4000+ lb. behemoth!

I should certainly NEVER have gotten as big as the current car! Going back to original size/weight would be fantastic.

The Camaro is supposed to be a pony car, not a muscle car. Bring back the Chevelle name or Impala, or whatevs for anything over 3600 lb in V8 form. 3800-4100 lb. "Camaro"? A travesty...

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The 5th Gen is heavier than it needs to be and it will be getting slightly smaller and somewhat lighter but it won't get down to FR-S/BRZ size. Just for reference.
overall length/ overall width/ overall height in inches
2012 Code 130R 173.1/ 71.5/ 54.7
2013 FR-S 166.7/ 69.9/ 50.6
1967 Camaro 6 cyl 184.6/ 72.5/ 51
2013 Camaro V6 190.4/ 75.5/ 54.2

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I'm with you guys too.



Add to that a 2 Door wagon/ Shooting Brake to take on the Mini Cooper.

Or (and), instead of a separate 4 door model, add smaller suicide doors like the Saturns had.

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We've got a thread about it too. ;)
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/aut...e-talk-871339/

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Sorry Dan, but why the insistence that the Camaro should be as small as the FR-S and BRZ? Why couldn't the Code 130 compete with those cars? Why should the Camaro get SMALLER than the original car?
That would be a travesty if they shrunk the car to those dimensions.

I can see the Camaro getting closer to it's original size and dropping some weight, but it should NEVER be smaller than the original.

Oh, and by the way, have you seen the articles about the 1LE? That car is getting HEAPS of praise thrown at it. Probably the best handling Camaro of all time. All 3800 lbs of it.

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I don't know much about the FR-S as I agree it is in a different class. Anyone have an idea about how the crash standards, rigidity, and such (not to mention weight) would be impacted by stuffing a 6.2l V8 in the FR-S in place of the 2.0l 4-cylinder?

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Again, that's not what I'm saying. I used those cars as an illustration that it is possible to build a new car to the same relative price/performance/market-segment targets as one from way back when (S13 240SX) and be at the SAME weight (no weight gain), without resorting to exotic/costly materials.

My POINT was that it shouldn't be a stretch for Chevy to build another 3400 lb. V8 Camaro without making it out of unobtanium.

The cars *are* (or should be) in the same "small 2-door coupe" segment, but obviously a V8 Camaro with 2x or more power will need a longer wheelbase to keep 55/45 or better weight distribution, and will necessarily be somewhat heavier.

I personally would rejoice, but for the 3rd time, that's not what I was saying.

I strongly disagree with the idea that cars should *only* ever get bigger.

Progress is doing more with less. Doing more wiht MORE MORE MORE is unsustainable and stupid.

But anyway, again, I'm fine with historical size/weight.

And if it were 3400 lb., it would be better, in every respect.

Aside from performance, the more massive the car, the less fun.

HEere's to a 3400 lb. (or less) future! I know, not gonna happen. The new one will end up at 3700 lb. and everyone will rejoice about how "lightweight" it is. Dang...

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I guess we'll see if they happen to crash it.
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GM themselves stuffed a V8 into the Pontiac Solstice, but then it never made production either.

Its quite possible that an FR-S/BRZ sized coupe cannot be built with a V8 without using unobtanium and still pass today's safety standards. The Corvette with its $50K+ price tag is considered a bargain by sportscar standards. Now some guys expect GM to build a 2+2 version and sell it for half the price. Be realistic. :p

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I didn't think anyone said the Camaro should be BRZ-sized...
For sure, the interior should be, but with a bigger heavier engine up front, the front wheels will need to be shoved further forward to keep weight distribution reasonable. That will add weight in addition to the heavier drivetrain.

What I suggested was that there's no GOOD reason that a modern V8 Camaro shouldn't weigh as little as a 3rd/4th gen, 3400 lb.


Anyway looks like progress is being made with the BRZ06:
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...34633532_n.jpg

I kind of worry about weight distribution, though. Stock BRZ is 55/45. It'll likely be 57/43 after the swap. Not conducive to putting 500hp down!

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I agree the next gen Camaro should be in the 3400-3500 lbs range. If we look at the ATS on Alpha Platform (which the next gen Camaro will be based on) - then 3400-3500 lbs is perfectly doable. Since this is the weight range the 4 cyl and V6 ATS models already weigh.

The Camaro will also likely have the same Turbo 4 cylinder and 3.6L V6 as the ATS. I personally think the next gen Camaro V8 may weigh slightly more than 3500 lbs - but that okay since it's likely to be in the 425-450 hp range.

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No, the next gen Camaro is rumored to ride on the Alpha PLUS platform, along with the next gen CTS.
I bet it loses about 2-300 lbs.

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The Alpha+ idea may be mostly internet rumor and conjecture.

According to our old pal Z284ever over at GMI, GM has a program code on the books with the designation of "A1BC" which in GM-speak translates to "Alpha platform 1st Generation Coupe Chevrolet." Which means the 6th gen Camaro could simply be on regular Alpha.

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And Z284ever could be referring to the platform that may underpin the Code 130R, if they decide to build it.

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That's exactly what I suggested. However while the 2015 Camaro has been green-lit for production in Lansing, the Code 130R has not received a green-light.

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Will there be a ATS Coupe? Or did that get shelved?

I think the stretched CTS Alpha + rumors got some traction because the Camaro and CTS would probably share some of the same engines, transmissions and rear axles.