2010 Camaro V6 HP
01-16-2009, 02:02 PM
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Think of it another way. Stock = Factory stock, as in, how it left the production line. Anything else is modded. Dealer installed options, even if factory backed; are not "production" unless it can be ordered from the factory that way.
This work in car show circuits where they have stock classes (those headers and cold air wouldn't pass); and in drag racing where they do class based races.
01-16-2009, 02:24 PM
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Nope, they're dealer-installed accessories. "Stock" is short for "Factory stock."
01-16-2009, 03:49 PM
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"Stock" is when it left the factory as a complete car. Anything that happens to it after that is not stock. Any GMPP parts are not stock, they are aftermarket...because they were not assembled with the original vehicle assembly on the factory vehicle assembly line.
01-16-2009, 09:37 PM
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My friend.....
I'm aware your screen name means that you are a devoted and rabid Chevrolet fan, but take the time and stop long enough to let the mind catch up with the smack talking fingers doing the typing here, and actually think about things for a moment.
The CURRENT Mustang GT runs an average of 13.6 quarters.
The Cadillac CTS V6 with the 304 horse engine the 2010 Camaro has weighs a mere 100 pounds more than a V6 Camaro (3861 vs 3751), yet does the quarter in 14.8.
The NEW Mustang GT has a far more aggressive axle than the the current one (3.73 vs 3.31). That item alone will certainly drop the 2010 Mustang GT below 13.5..... perhaps even dramatically so, given how the modest weight Mustangs respond to simple axle changes.
GM is taking about half a second off of the CTS' 0-60 run (roughly 6.4 seconds) and the same off the quarter mile (which bring it down from 14.8 to about 14.3).
You are talking a bigger gap between the 2010 V6 Camaro and the current Mustang GT than exists between the current Mustang GT and the best stock LS1 Camaro times.
AND....The 2010 Mustang will be notably quicker than the current one.
Again, enthusiasm is nice, but enthusiasm doesn't win races when the numbers don't support you.
But also, again.... it would make quite a funny episode of "Pinks".
The Camaro V6 is a quick, world class road carver. I may even buy one.
But let's be serious!
It certainly won't beat a Mustang GT in acceleration.
I'm aware your screen name means that you are a devoted and rabid Chevrolet fan, but take the time and stop long enough to let the mind catch up with the smack talking fingers doing the typing here, and actually think about things for a moment.
The CURRENT Mustang GT runs an average of 13.6 quarters.
The Cadillac CTS V6 with the 304 horse engine the 2010 Camaro has weighs a mere 100 pounds more than a V6 Camaro (3861 vs 3751), yet does the quarter in 14.8.
The NEW Mustang GT has a far more aggressive axle than the the current one (3.73 vs 3.31). That item alone will certainly drop the 2010 Mustang GT below 13.5..... perhaps even dramatically so, given how the modest weight Mustangs respond to simple axle changes.
GM is taking about half a second off of the CTS' 0-60 run (roughly 6.4 seconds) and the same off the quarter mile (which bring it down from 14.8 to about 14.3).
You are talking a bigger gap between the 2010 V6 Camaro and the current Mustang GT than exists between the current Mustang GT and the best stock LS1 Camaro times.
AND....The 2010 Mustang will be notably quicker than the current one.
Again, enthusiasm is nice, but enthusiasm doesn't win races when the numbers don't support you.
But also, again.... it would make quite a funny episode of "Pinks".
The Camaro V6 is a quick, world class road carver. I may even buy one.
But let's be serious!
It certainly won't beat a Mustang GT in acceleration.
First of all you are wrong about the current GT:
2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8
Vehicle Curb Weight: 4,140 lbs.
0 to 60 mph: 4.8 seconds
1/4 Mile Time: 13.3 seconds
2008 Ford Mustang GT
Vehicle Curb Weight: 3,540 lbs.
0 to 60 mph: 5.1 seconds
1/4 Mile Time: 13.8 seconds
I dont expect the 10 GT to be much faster. Tests have already shown up saying 13.7, big whoop.Just like I said consistantly it will run high 13's. The v6 camaro is expected to be consistantly in the low 14's. Say whatever you want about "pinks", this that or whatever, that has potential to be a close race.
PS I personally don't really care that much as I will be buying an SS.
01-16-2009, 10:00 PM
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And really I am done with this debate, but that half second is a typical senario. Doesnt mean a hot camaro couldn't run into a sluggish GT.
01-17-2009, 12:35 PM
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Heres the proof for the 14.6 CTS if you don't believe me:
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/...9214_C&D-E.pdf
PS I was even suprised by the 0-60 time in that Caddy. 5.8 at over 4,000 pounds??? The LS1 was around 5.4
01-17-2009, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by eman 
This is funny, it sounds like 1996 all over again.
Yup! Aint it great Jason? And thanks for the help at the Detroit show today. It was a great experience and just makes my want my 2SS even more.
As far as Camaro V6 vs Mustang GT.....torque wins races guys. And add the weight advantage of the Mustang, and the results are quite obvious. If a Camaro V6 can run the quarter mile in the mid 14 second bracket its awesome in its own right, but it will not beat a Mustang GT unfortunately. Especially when you consider the 3.73 gear in the GT.
Keep bench racing alive. Its a great sport while its snowing outside.
This is funny, it sounds like 1996 all over again.
Yup! Aint it great Jason? And thanks for the help at the Detroit show today. It was a great experience and just makes my want my 2SS even more.
As far as Camaro V6 vs Mustang GT.....torque wins races guys. And add the weight advantage of the Mustang, and the results are quite obvious. If a Camaro V6 can run the quarter mile in the mid 14 second bracket its awesome in its own right, but it will not beat a Mustang GT unfortunately. Especially when you consider the 3.73 gear in the GT.
Keep bench racing alive. Its a great sport while its snowing outside.
01-17-2009, 05:13 PM
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Not really a quote, just common sense. If a 4,032 lbs CTS with the same motor runs a 14.6 then a 3750lbs Camaro with better aerodynamics and other factors could easily run a 14.3 or lower.
Heres the proof for the 14.6 CTS if you don't believe me:
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/...9214_C&D-E.pdf
PS I was even suprised by the 0-60 time in that Caddy. 5.8 at over 4,000 pounds??? The LS1 was around 5.4
Heres the proof for the 14.6 CTS if you don't believe me:
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/...9214_C&D-E.pdf
PS I was even suprised by the 0-60 time in that Caddy. 5.8 at over 4,000 pounds??? The LS1 was around 5.4
And what gearing and tire sizes are the new V6?
Just asking.
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