Good move, IMHO. Useless, gimmicky stuff is....well....useless on a car like the Camaro, and actually detracts from its purpose, from my POV (which I realize is likely different from most buyers).

Will be interesting to see what the M6 has, as a tranny temp gauge is obviously OBE with a manual. I'd like to have an engine vacuum gauge, but most folks wouldn't know what good that would do either, so who knows.

 

Well that brings up the question, if you get the 6M, (like I plan on) will you still get the tranny temp guage? It would be nice to at least OFFER the torque gauge. And for those that hate it because it's gimmicky, what about the cool accent lighting on the dash? Hate that too? And the Halo headlights? Neither are "needed". They add custom touches to the car.

 

Glad its gone, I'd rather have a guage, something that was created to give me information, actually give me information.

As to the halos and accent lighting... halos provide warning and lighting (parking lights/driving lights) and the accent lighting.. accents.. with lighting... it has a purpose..

A torque gauge is something that doesn't even fulfill a purpose..

 

Whoops, I meant to imply that it was just driven off a table from the dyno graph.

 

Hate? No. Do without them? You bet - especially if it saved money and/or weight. But that's just me.

And if it comes from the factory....well....*custum* just doesn't apply, IMHO.

Bob

 

Why not? Manuals can overheat as well.

Some people who race these cars participate in competitions that last much longer than 13 seconds. Some people who race these cars make many, many more than three shifts once an hour.


Me too.
Mine too.

 

I have to disagree to a point. Id argue that this is a good example of good feedback to a point making something better on the way to production. It may have been one of the things that pushed the decision. Its the difference between negative feedback here and someone getting in the car and saying yeah this is cool but what the hell is the torque gauge for? Transmission temp sensor seems more usable.

 

Are you kidding? It can be used to track improvements without having to go to a dyno. You can also calculate hp from TQ.

Honestly I dont get you guys. If I were to choose I would have picked the TQ guage over a tranny temp sensor.

 

Has anyone addressed what, if anything, will replace this gauge?

 

Are you kidding? Do you think the torque guage was based on anything other than the theoretical torque calculations used as a part of torque management? In other words, totally useless for anything but a stock engine, abd even there it's value is dubious.

And you really intended on staring down your torque guage conveniently mounted under the frckin radio while making a WOT blast in a 430hp car? Do you put on your lipstick while sitting in traffic on the way to work too?

 

Hey, it would give my passengers something to watch while their heads are pinned to the headrest.

 

Assuming this torque gauge actually "worked" (meaning it was accurate), you'd also have to look at RPMs at a certain torque level to calculate HP. So what you're telling me is that you'd like to have one eyeball on your tach, one on your torque guage, and one hand on your calculator to figure all this stuff out -- while driving.

Guys, this gauge was about as useful as this product:

http://www.sunamiturbo.com/sunamiturbo.html

 

Not sure how you can calculate TQ from HP...

 

TQ = HP / rpm * 5252

 

It couldn't be unless GM assumes that the car will always be driven at full throttle. I guess they could just measure the throttle opening as a % and multiply the max torque by that amount, but it would not be very accurate.

The ECM has a pretty good idea of its engine’s current output (based largely fuel use & RPM), why not use that (less estimated parasitic losses)?