I still can't get over how offended and angry it makes some people to hear that they aren't in love with the new Camaro.

 

I'll let him speak for himself. I do recall him saying on here that they had gotten feedback both ways on the console gages... but IIRC he's said overall the feedback on the concept has been overwhelmingly positive. (Why would that NOT automatically include the opinions on the interior?)

I wasn't trying to claim all those other guys with you at the GTG were *strictly* your crew. But you did make it sound a little like that. Their, and your, opinions are not "stupid". You've every right to them and any opinion is just as valid as any other. Me too

 

In the remote chance you were referring to me...

I'm not upset if some don't like the new Camaro, or something about it. I wouldn't call it anger, more like exasperation, when some keep going on and on and on about something they don't like. Curb weight for example. If a person thinks the Camaro is too heavy... sorry. Move on with your life instead of carping ad infinitum on here about something that is very difficult to change, if it can be changed at all.

 

Actually, I wasn't really refering to you specifically and I don't mind the back and forth with you. There have been a lot of comments by people who just can't understand that people could actually dislike aspects of the Camaro and there is definatly a mood of anger and surprise.

I can't speak for others, but for myself, I was really dissapointed when I saw the concept Camaro. This goes for the exterior but especially for the interior. I too dissmissed the interior as just a wild design study that would never make it to market. As other info has been trickling in, concerns about curb weight, lack of t-tops/targa, vehicle height, no hatch, and a few others, have been adding up. I fully understand why GM went with certain solutions, but that doesn't make me like it any more. On top of all of this, I have been trying to convince myself to like the exterior design and I had almost talked myself into buying a 5th gen over a used Vette, but now after seeing the production interior, I don't know if I can make a case to myself to buy a Camaro over a Corvette. I have only owned Camaros (3), and this will be the first time I break the tradition. I feel let down and dissapointed that I can't like the Camaro more.

 

I can understand, and relate. I agree I'd rather have t-tops than what will instead likely be a sunroof on my new Camaro. I've adjusted to that, by knowing it will also be safer in rollover and maybe side collisions, and maybe I'll save some on insurance to boot.

There are definitely tradeoffs with any new car purchase. I hope you can muster the patience to wait until the Camaro is out in showrooms before deciding.

 

I think you should re-phrase that to say: "If GM product planners think the Camaro is too heavy... sorry. Move on with your life and cancel it instead of carping ad infinitum on here about something that is very difficult to change, if it can be changed at all."

Don't for a minute think that this conversation hasn't happened. I think it'll be built. But just as the rest of Zeta seems to be imploding because of it's non-CAFE-friendly weight, so will this Camaro, eventually.

 

Blarney. CAFE is on a major collision course with the American lifestyle and the man-made-global-warming myth. CAFE will implode LONG before America's love affair with hefty, versatile, satisfying, and useful cars and trucks.

 

Let's hope so.

 

I apologize if I offended you. My point still stands however. Ed Welburn would not be addressing an interior "issue" if there was not an "issue" brought up by many in the community to address.

I'm right along with everyone else. The interior on the concept was so "retro-spaceship bizzare" I honestly didn't give it much of a thought. My focus on the concept was the exterior.

 

I was kinda thinking along those lines as well.
But, you know what, the Concept interior actually looked better, flowed better, "TO ME" than the; pregnant dash, huge vented, sega stereo version in the spy shots...IMHO.

 

Maybe I'm missing something here -- Are you implying that Zeta is imploding because of weight?

If so, you are wrong.

All manufacturers are putting car and truck programs on hold right now -- because of new CAFE regulations.....it would be foolish not to as it will take some time to see exactly how the new regulations will impact the market --

Charlie - I (and we) know you hate the weight thing. (and I don't think there's a person you haven't talked to and made it crystal-clear.....)

As I said in another post -- we really want you to like this car.

We can't force you to.

You've said over and over that we have to make this car appeal to a wider audience.

Charlie -- I'm telling you -- this car gets raves wherever we take it. No -- not everyone likes it.....but it's overwhelming from a perspective of those who do. Go stand by the concept at any number of cities -- and just listen and look at peoples expression.......

Are you implying that we should change it to your standards -- and perhaps alienate those large numbers?

 

Acutally your comment about "the band of 10" is totaly in context to this discusion. You made it during a disussion about the interior and while stating that those complaining about the interior are a vocal minority.

Could there really be someone complaining about the illustrious interior other than the few people on this site? No can't be.

I know, maybe the members of the "Band of 10" got together and sent mass mailings to GM. Yea thats got to be it.

 

Hey there Scott. I've seen people rave on the concepts, I'm one of the ravers. I just think the interior looks like it came out of a weird 1950's science fiction movie. It just doesn't match the exterior at all to me.

As far as why Zeta is imploding, well I can't say I'm privy to all that. Obviously, GM has only so much money to spend, and needs to allocate it appropriately, in order to address the upcoming staggering challenges facing the auto industry. I suspect though, that if the Zetas were 3,600 pound sedans, which could knock down BIG mpg numbers, they might be under less scrutiny.

As far as Camaro and weight, it's not even about what I want anymore. Every extra pound on the Camaro, makes it a bigger liability to GM's CAFE efforts. I think my standards on that, not only won't alienate anyone, it'll better secure Camaro's future survival.

 

If they invested the money, time, and resources shaving weight off, however they'd go about it...I daresay that would alienate more than a few people from the price standpoint, yeah?

 

It's a new world my friend. Expect all upcoming cars to come with a heavy dose of smaller size, less mass and lots more high strength steel/aluminum/magnesium/carbon fiber......and an MSRP tp pay for it all.

In our new world, a roughly 2 ton Camaro has a very dim future. Not having one available, alienates EVERYONE who might want one.