The Real Camaro experience?
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The Real Camaro experience?
I checked out this site this morning over breakfast because I was bored and didn't expect any news over the weekend. I was thrilled to see the new interior pictures that leaked out, although I feel bad for the Camaro team, I was glad to see the interior looking better than in previous pictures. Then I read the one, 7 page thread ripping the interior to shreds.... 
Over the course of the day I've been back on from time to time when I've had a chance, and I see there are now multiple threads and as much heated and hostile discussion about the interior than ever - to the point where people are starting new threads just to reinforce their own points.
And all I can say is that it's a sad, sad day for Camaro fans, and for CamaroZ28.com when after a long hiatus we're seeing GM put serious and costly effort into building a new Camaro (despite CAFE, despite Oshawa resourcing) instead of just raiding the parts bin and producing a generic car, and the best Camaro site on the web is slammed with complaints of every type and hostility that I've never seen on this board. Some people may not like the direction of the interior or the car itself, but instead of being glad Camaro's coming back with a strong GM effort, they only complain and predict the end of the car because GM is a bunch of idiots.......heck of a way to say thanks to the Camaro team for their EXTREME EFFORTS to involve every Camaro fan in the process as much as possible.
It's sad that BayerZ28 can post a thread which almost moves one to tears about the experience of a Camaro, and then a couple of weeks later we see that apparently the experience of a Camaro is to bicker, insult and complain because every detail of the car isn't exactly what you'd like it to be.
I have faith in the car, faith in GM, but after today I'm not sure I have much faith in the supposed Camaro faithful......
Over the course of the day I've been back on from time to time when I've had a chance, and I see there are now multiple threads and as much heated and hostile discussion about the interior than ever - to the point where people are starting new threads just to reinforce their own points.
And all I can say is that it's a sad, sad day for Camaro fans, and for CamaroZ28.com when after a long hiatus we're seeing GM put serious and costly effort into building a new Camaro (despite CAFE, despite Oshawa resourcing) instead of just raiding the parts bin and producing a generic car, and the best Camaro site on the web is slammed with complaints of every type and hostility that I've never seen on this board. Some people may not like the direction of the interior or the car itself, but instead of being glad Camaro's coming back with a strong GM effort, they only complain and predict the end of the car because GM is a bunch of idiots.......heck of a way to say thanks to the Camaro team for their EXTREME EFFORTS to involve every Camaro fan in the process as much as possible.
It's sad that BayerZ28 can post a thread which almost moves one to tears about the experience of a Camaro, and then a couple of weeks later we see that apparently the experience of a Camaro is to bicker, insult and complain because every detail of the car isn't exactly what you'd like it to be.
I have faith in the car, faith in GM, but after today I'm not sure I have much faith in the supposed Camaro faithful......
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Shell... don't let it bother you. One problem with these forums - they give disproportionate visibility to a minority group of cynics. Don't forget about the 'silent majority' here... those who helped make the new Camaro an award-winning star, and helped it get the rave reviews it deserves. I'm not planning to let a few gripers ruin my day... and I imagine anyone from GM reading here knows well enough from history here, just to filter out their negativity. Luckily for us - the designers, engineers and testers are powered more than enough by their own passion and respect for Camaro and Chevy racing and street heritage, to not be swayed or discouraged by a vocal minority of whiners on a web site.
I'm keeping the faith! Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead
I'm keeping the faith! Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead
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Well, it's obvious GM listens to ALL of their enthusiests, and we're proud of that fact!
And that said, I'm sure "they" know how to sort out constructive criticism and just plain trash talk.
But, if we don't say how we really feel, like it or not, then our feedback is useless.
They're listening to multiple sites, among other onlookers at shows etc..
Are we glad the new Camaro is coming back?... damn right!
All of us.
And the exterior is gorgeous!
And like Scott has said, they're taking time to get it "RIGHT"...
Everyone's opinions help to make sure it'll be "RIGHT"...
So, don't be discouraged, take it all with a grain of salt; GM has made some truly gorgeous interiors as of late, they'll get it right...I have enough faith left to wait & see.
And that said, I'm sure "they" know how to sort out constructive criticism and just plain trash talk.
But, if we don't say how we really feel, like it or not, then our feedback is useless.
They're listening to multiple sites, among other onlookers at shows etc..
Are we glad the new Camaro is coming back?... damn right!
All of us.
And the exterior is gorgeous!
And like Scott has said, they're taking time to get it "RIGHT"...
Everyone's opinions help to make sure it'll be "RIGHT"...
So, don't be discouraged, take it all with a grain of salt; GM has made some truly gorgeous interiors as of late, they'll get it right...I have enough faith left to wait & see.
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Well, it's obvious GM listens to ALL of their enthusiests, and we're proud of that fact!
And that said, I'm sure "they" know how to sort out constructive criticism and just plain trash talk.
But, if we don't say how we really feel, like it or not, then our feedback is useless.
They're listening to multiple sites, among other onlookers at shows etc..
Are we glad the new Camaro is coming back?... damn right!
All of us.
And the exterior is gorgeous!
And like Scott has said, they're taking time to get it "RIGHT"...
Everyone's opinions help to make sure it'll be "RIGHT"...
So, don't be discouraged, take it all with a grain of salt; GM has made some truly gorgeous interiors as of late, they'll get it right...I have enough faith left to wait & see.
And that said, I'm sure "they" know how to sort out constructive criticism and just plain trash talk.
But, if we don't say how we really feel, like it or not, then our feedback is useless.
They're listening to multiple sites, among other onlookers at shows etc..
Are we glad the new Camaro is coming back?... damn right!
All of us.
And the exterior is gorgeous!
And like Scott has said, they're taking time to get it "RIGHT"...
Everyone's opinions help to make sure it'll be "RIGHT"...
So, don't be discouraged, take it all with a grain of salt; GM has made some truly gorgeous interiors as of late, they'll get it right...I have enough faith left to wait & see.
GOOD POST !!!
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Personally, I think its healthy for this "community". If we were all just swinging from the same set of nuts, I'm pretty sure both the car and this site would be rather boring.
To each their own - even if ones opinion is different from another.
To each their own - even if ones opinion is different from another.
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W3rd...
I was trying to get people to forget about what they are concerned about and just look forward to the Arrival of the new Camaro... But I guess that was short lived... I agree 100% do0d..
I got one person in my thread to admit it...
I'll merge this one myself...
I was trying to get people to forget about what they are concerned about and just look forward to the Arrival of the new Camaro... But I guess that was short lived... I agree 100% do0d..
I got one person in my thread to admit it...
Nice read...thank you.
When I read threads like this it makes me forget all the "I hate the interior, I'm not buying one" threads and just think ahead to that day that I'll be picking mine up.
I've posted this in another thread a few weeks back....but it sums up what I'll be thinking the first time I turn the key...(in the words of that chick in the CTS commercial)..."the real question is when you turn your car on, does it return the favor." That and FINALLY THE WAIT IS OVER! (as I drop the hammer out of the dealership).
When I read threads like this it makes me forget all the "I hate the interior, I'm not buying one" threads and just think ahead to that day that I'll be picking mine up.
I've posted this in another thread a few weeks back....but it sums up what I'll be thinking the first time I turn the key...(in the words of that chick in the CTS commercial)..."the real question is when you turn your car on, does it return the favor." That and FINALLY THE WAIT IS OVER! (as I drop the hammer out of the dealership).
I'll merge this one myself...
^ I saw and read your post, I just didn't want o post ***** or be a glory hog.. I was trying to get into peoples heads to quit bickering about the interior or the shark fin antenna and just be happy for the car's return..
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On a separate note...
Maybe even a "Good job Scott/Gm" would be due.. I didn't see ONE of those on here... EVAR... Or not that I remember.. We gotta back these people because they DO have the power to scrap the car BASED on the general consensus. = People BITCHING about the CAR!!!
STOP BITCHING ABOUT TO THE DAMN INTERIOR!!!! I KNOW some or most of us are really passionate about this car and are concerned, but cripes, the bitching has gotten old! Like I told Chris and Jason in the Podcast, I don't go into these forums very often because most of the ideas are beaten to death.. AND I don't like to see people bitching about the damn interior..
IT'S NOT DONE YET!!
Admin/Mods: I apologize for swearing, but you know where I'm coming from.. Sorry, but I've been in RANT mode since I woke up this morning.
We have some VERY powerful people that read these boards. That is probably WHY we voice our concerns because we know they will be read.. But that's enough, you've gotten your point across, 80% of the people do NOT like the interior.. Enough with complaining about the interior, I'd just be happy to see the new Camaro in the showroom.
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On a separate note...
Maybe even a "Good job Scott/Gm" would be due.. I didn't see ONE of those on here... EVAR... Or not that I remember.. We gotta back these people because they DO have the power to scrap the car BASED on the general consensus. = People BITCHING about the CAR!!!
STOP BITCHING ABOUT TO THE DAMN INTERIOR!!!! I KNOW some or most of us are really passionate about this car and are concerned, but cripes, the bitching has gotten old! Like I told Chris and Jason in the Podcast, I don't go into these forums very often because most of the ideas are beaten to death.. AND I don't like to see people bitching about the damn interior..
IT'S NOT DONE YET!!
Admin/Mods: I apologize for swearing, but you know where I'm coming from.. Sorry, but I've been in RANT mode since I woke up this morning.
We have some VERY powerful people that read these boards. That is probably WHY we voice our concerns because we know they will be read.. But that's enough, you've gotten your point across, 80% of the people do NOT like the interior.. Enough with complaining about the interior, I'd just be happy to see the new Camaro in the showroom.
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Shell... don't let it bother you. One problem with these forums - they give disproportionate visibility to a minority group of cynics. Don't forget about the 'silent majority' here... those who helped make the new Camaro an award-winning star, and helped it get the rave reviews it deserves. I'm not planning to let a few gripers ruin my day... and I imagine anyone from GM reading here knows well enough from history here, just to filter out their negativity. Luckily for us - the designers, engineers and testers are powered more than enough by their own passion and respect for Camaro and Chevy racing and street heritage, to not be swayed or discouraged by a vocal minority of whiners on a web site.
I'm keeping the faith! Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead
I'm keeping the faith! Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead
And those silent ones of us who are just here to learn and listen to wise words from people in the know (Scott, Guy, etc) and who have a lot more experience and knowledge than I.
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I checked out this site this morning over breakfast because I was bored and didn't expect any news over the weekend. I was thrilled to see the new interior pictures that leaked out, although I feel bad for the Camaro team, I was glad to see the interior looking better than in previous pictures. Then I read the one, 7 page thread ripping the interior to shreds....
Over the course of the day I've been back on from time to time when I've had a chance, and I see there are now multiple threads and as much heated and hostile discussion about the interior than ever - to the point where people are starting new threads just to reinforce their own points.
And all I can say is that it's a sad, sad day for Camaro fans, and for CamaroZ28.com when after a long hiatus we're seeing GM put serious and costly effort into building a new Camaro (despite CAFE, despite Oshawa resourcing) instead of just raiding the parts bin and producing a generic car, and the best Camaro site on the web is slammed with complaints of every type and hostility that I've never seen on this board. Some people may not like the direction of the interior or the car itself, but instead of being glad Camaro's coming back with a strong GM effort, they only complain and predict the end of the car because GM is a bunch of idiots.......heck of a way to say thanks to the Camaro team for their EXTREME EFFORTS to involve every Camaro fan in the process as much as possible.
It's sad that BayerZ28 can post a thread which almost moves one to tears about the experience of a Camaro, and then a couple of weeks later we see that apparently the experience of a Camaro is to bicker, insult and complain because every detail of the car isn't exactly what you'd like it to be.
I have faith in the car, faith in GM, but after today I'm not sure I have much faith in the supposed Camaro faithful......
Over the course of the day I've been back on from time to time when I've had a chance, and I see there are now multiple threads and as much heated and hostile discussion about the interior than ever - to the point where people are starting new threads just to reinforce their own points.
And all I can say is that it's a sad, sad day for Camaro fans, and for CamaroZ28.com when after a long hiatus we're seeing GM put serious and costly effort into building a new Camaro (despite CAFE, despite Oshawa resourcing) instead of just raiding the parts bin and producing a generic car, and the best Camaro site on the web is slammed with complaints of every type and hostility that I've never seen on this board. Some people may not like the direction of the interior or the car itself, but instead of being glad Camaro's coming back with a strong GM effort, they only complain and predict the end of the car because GM is a bunch of idiots.......heck of a way to say thanks to the Camaro team for their EXTREME EFFORTS to involve every Camaro fan in the process as much as possible.
It's sad that BayerZ28 can post a thread which almost moves one to tears about the experience of a Camaro, and then a couple of weeks later we see that apparently the experience of a Camaro is to bicker, insult and complain because every detail of the car isn't exactly what you'd like it to be.
I have faith in the car, faith in GM, but after today I'm not sure I have much faith in the supposed Camaro faithful......
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I checked out this site this morning over breakfast because I was bored and didn't expect any news over the weekend. I was thrilled to see the new interior pictures that leaked out, although I feel bad for the Camaro team, I was glad to see the interior looking better than in previous pictures. Then I read the one, 7 page thread ripping the interior to shreds....
Over the course of the day I've been back on from time to time when I've had a chance, and I see there are now multiple threads and as much heated and hostile discussion about the interior than ever - to the point where people are starting new threads just to reinforce their own points.
And all I can say is that it's a sad, sad day for Camaro fans, and for CamaroZ28.com when after a long hiatus we're seeing GM put serious and costly effort into building a new Camaro (despite CAFE, despite Oshawa resourcing) instead of just raiding the parts bin and producing a generic car, and the best Camaro site on the web is slammed with complaints of every type and hostility that I've never seen on this board. Some people may not like the direction of the interior or the car itself, but instead of being glad Camaro's coming back with a strong GM effort, they only complain and predict the end of the car because GM is a bunch of idiots.......heck of a way to say thanks to the Camaro team for their EXTREME EFFORTS to involve every Camaro fan in the process as much as possible.
It's sad that BayerZ28 can post a thread which almost moves one to tears about the experience of a Camaro, and then a couple of weeks later we see that apparently the experience of a Camaro is to bicker, insult and complain because every detail of the car isn't exactly what you'd like it to be.
I have faith in the car, faith in GM, but after today I'm not sure I have much faith in the supposed Camaro faithful......
Over the course of the day I've been back on from time to time when I've had a chance, and I see there are now multiple threads and as much heated and hostile discussion about the interior than ever - to the point where people are starting new threads just to reinforce their own points.
And all I can say is that it's a sad, sad day for Camaro fans, and for CamaroZ28.com when after a long hiatus we're seeing GM put serious and costly effort into building a new Camaro (despite CAFE, despite Oshawa resourcing) instead of just raiding the parts bin and producing a generic car, and the best Camaro site on the web is slammed with complaints of every type and hostility that I've never seen on this board. Some people may not like the direction of the interior or the car itself, but instead of being glad Camaro's coming back with a strong GM effort, they only complain and predict the end of the car because GM is a bunch of idiots.......heck of a way to say thanks to the Camaro team for their EXTREME EFFORTS to involve every Camaro fan in the process as much as possible.
It's sad that BayerZ28 can post a thread which almost moves one to tears about the experience of a Camaro, and then a couple of weeks later we see that apparently the experience of a Camaro is to bicker, insult and complain because every detail of the car isn't exactly what you'd like it to be.
I have faith in the car, faith in GM, but after today I'm not sure I have much faith in the supposed Camaro faithful......
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Couldnt agree more! I saw the pictures and was excited to see progress but then I look down at how many posts were in the thread in the short amount of time and I knew there would be a few people for the damn it all to hell brigade camped out putting it down and saying they are off to purchase there mustang.........
...well it's right on the mark
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I checked out this site this morning over breakfast because I was bored and didn't expect any news over the weekend. I was thrilled to see the new interior pictures that leaked out, although I feel bad for the Camaro team, I was glad to see the interior looking better than in previous pictures. Then I read the one, 7 page thread ripping the interior to shreds....
Over the course of the day I've been back on from time to time when I've had a chance, and I see there are now multiple threads and as much heated and hostile discussion about the interior than ever - to the point where people are starting new threads just to reinforce their own points.
And all I can say is that it's a sad, sad day for Camaro fans, and for CamaroZ28.com when after a long hiatus we're seeing GM put serious and costly effort into building a new Camaro (despite CAFE, despite Oshawa resourcing) instead of just raiding the parts bin and producing a generic car, and the best Camaro site on the web is slammed with complaints of every type and hostility that I've never seen on this board. Some people may not like the direction of the interior or the car itself, but instead of being glad Camaro's coming back with a strong GM effort, they only complain and predict the end of the car because GM is a bunch of idiots.......heck of a way to say thanks to the Camaro team for their EXTREME EFFORTS to involve every Camaro fan in the process as much as possible.
It's sad that BayerZ28 can post a thread which almost moves one to tears about the experience of a Camaro, and then a couple of weeks later we see that apparently the experience of a Camaro is to bicker, insult and complain because every detail of the car isn't exactly what you'd like it to be.
I have faith in the car, faith in GM, but after today I'm not sure I have much faith in the supposed Camaro faithful......
Over the course of the day I've been back on from time to time when I've had a chance, and I see there are now multiple threads and as much heated and hostile discussion about the interior than ever - to the point where people are starting new threads just to reinforce their own points.
And all I can say is that it's a sad, sad day for Camaro fans, and for CamaroZ28.com when after a long hiatus we're seeing GM put serious and costly effort into building a new Camaro (despite CAFE, despite Oshawa resourcing) instead of just raiding the parts bin and producing a generic car, and the best Camaro site on the web is slammed with complaints of every type and hostility that I've never seen on this board. Some people may not like the direction of the interior or the car itself, but instead of being glad Camaro's coming back with a strong GM effort, they only complain and predict the end of the car because GM is a bunch of idiots.......heck of a way to say thanks to the Camaro team for their EXTREME EFFORTS to involve every Camaro fan in the process as much as possible.
It's sad that BayerZ28 can post a thread which almost moves one to tears about the experience of a Camaro, and then a couple of weeks later we see that apparently the experience of a Camaro is to bicker, insult and complain because every detail of the car isn't exactly what you'd like it to be.
I have faith in the car, faith in GM, but after today I'm not sure I have much faith in the supposed Camaro faithful......
Shellhead --
Thank you for a voice of reason -- your post makes some of this well worth while.
One thought -- do NOT base the "Camaro Faithful" on this site. (no insult meant to Jason and Chris.)
Here's what I've found over the past year or so --
There are very few people who do not like the new Camaro -- HOWEVER, the ones who do not like the car post time and time again.
I could listen to this site -- OR -- I could listen to a dozen or more sites -- OR -- I could go out and talk to Camaro enthusiasts -- OR -- I could go out and quietly stand by the Concept and listen to "Joe American" and "Mary American" and listen to what they have to say as they look over the car -- OR -- I could listen to those who have been in product clinics -- OR -- I could listen to the 12 disciples (of which there are 15)
OR.........I could do all of the above except listen to those on this site.
Guess whot!!
The last choice.
And Bob - why is it that you have this thing with (how shall I put this) a part of the male anatomy whenever anyone says they like something about this car?
Does this go hand-in-hand with 'winkie envy?'
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LOL. Was wondering when you would pop in. I thought my post was pretty tame, Scott. But I guess it all does go hand-in-hand.
Oh wait....that didn't sound right.
In all seriousness....dude....you really sound like you're trying to squelch any and all criticism of the car....unless it is done "just so". People of passion...call em enthusiast or nutswingers (sorry) or just plain ole car guys....have different opinions, and will express them when given the chance (in this case, Jason & Chris give us that chance). I'm not your enemy (regardless of what you might think), and I don't believe anyone else here is either. I know you like to take things personally, but for crying out loud - 3 or 4 folks on this site could go away and never return, but there would still be criticism, probably the same type. It's life. It's the internet. To take it personally shows passion & committment. To take it TOO personally will get you a quick trip to the ER.
FWIW....I like your car. I'm not wild about the interior pics, but when I see one in person, if it "clicks" for me, then I'll consider it (gotta wait on the weight-**** issue too, of course). If it doesn't, it doesn't. Simple as that. In the meantime....let it roll off your shoulders. That little lecture you gave Charlie was pretty pathetic, IMHO. He is AT LEAST as passionate as anyone else. But he is also demanding. Nothing wrong with that.
Gotta run out to Monterey. Have a great day!
Bob
PS...Can I still buy one?
Oh wait....that didn't sound right.
In all seriousness....dude....you really sound like you're trying to squelch any and all criticism of the car....unless it is done "just so". People of passion...call em enthusiast or nutswingers (sorry) or just plain ole car guys....have different opinions, and will express them when given the chance (in this case, Jason & Chris give us that chance). I'm not your enemy (regardless of what you might think), and I don't believe anyone else here is either. I know you like to take things personally, but for crying out loud - 3 or 4 folks on this site could go away and never return, but there would still be criticism, probably the same type. It's life. It's the internet. To take it personally shows passion & committment. To take it TOO personally will get you a quick trip to the ER.
FWIW....I like your car. I'm not wild about the interior pics, but when I see one in person, if it "clicks" for me, then I'll consider it (gotta wait on the weight-**** issue too, of course). If it doesn't, it doesn't. Simple as that. In the meantime....let it roll off your shoulders. That little lecture you gave Charlie was pretty pathetic, IMHO. He is AT LEAST as passionate as anyone else. But he is also demanding. Nothing wrong with that.
Gotta run out to Monterey. Have a great day!
Bob
PS...Can I still buy one?