i would like to know if anyone out there has autox'd against a s2000, i would like to challenge my friend to a race and im pretty sure i can beat him, he isnt that good of a driver, i can tell, anyone raced one?

 

well its 90% driver on an autocross course.

but if you are just as inexperienced as him I see him edgine out.

 

It all depends on the driver. He could have a Ferrari and you could still beat him. That's the beauty of autocross as opposed to drag racing. Anybody can drag race. That's all about mechanical power. Autocross is all about driving ability. I beat a Porsche boxster in Novice class my 2nd time out. I was driving my stock 87 Civic 4 door with dry rotted tires. Just goes to show...(see above)

Now if I had my choice, I'd probably take the S2000 since it's smaller and probably has better balance. If you both drove your car and then both drove his car, I'd bet both of your times would be faster in his car.

Want to compare cars? Go to the drag strip.
Want to compare driving ability? Go autocrossing.

 

I would say with an equal driver that the S2000 would win on an auto x course but I think the f-bod would win on a road course. JMO. Later,

Brian

 

= drivers, you will get killed

 

I've road raced aginst 4 or 5 S2000's.
They are very popular cars in Phoenix. Seems to be just as many S2000's as BMW's on the track.

Anyway, I guess I'm an above average driver. I get a lot of complements with my car and my driving, so I guess I'm doing something right.

In the straight sections I can pass them with ease. Only S2000 that could keep me from passing him in the straight sections was a NOS fed S2000. But I eventually passed him on the 3 or 4th lap when he ran out of NOS.

As for handling in the turns, it all depends on the driver. Newbies are easy to pass, while better drivers take time. In short, I have to wait for them to make a mistake.

Kurt

 

We have one that autoX's in Winnipeg. Great car + great driver + sticky tires = there's him ... then the rest of us in another time zone.

 

and there are a lot of ppl (roadracers) that would argue that driving around orange cones in a parking lot doesn't take much skill, either. what a bunch of malarky... it takes a fair amount of skill to rip a 1.6-1.7 60 ft. time on street tires. can you do it?

i am constantly amazed at the elitest attitude of auto-x'rs and roadracers. it's the same in the motorcycle community, as well. more than a few motorcyclists, and quite a few cagers too, i'm sure, believe that any monkey can make a gsxr-1000 run low 10's in 1/4 mile- obviously ppl that have never tried to launch a vehicle that has a 3lb/hp power to weight ratio and a 55" wheelbase.

my point is that all racing takes a certain set of skills. claiming otherwise will make you look like a jackass, ignorant, or both.

 

Probably not, especally not from anyone who's tried it. Either way autocrossing certainly takes alot more skill than holding down the gas pedal for 13-14 sec.

Nope, and I seriously doubt you can either. I dont think its even possible with our cars on "real" street tires.

Then go back do the dragstrip, you won't be missed.

 

Just to clarify before I start - I autocross and have not drag raced at a strip. However, a good launch is extremely important in an autocross (last event I drove, first place in my class was decided 131/1000 second) against 63 second times.

You put me in a 12 second car and I'll get at least 13s first time. Guaranteed.

I put the 12 second driver (with no autocross experience) in my autocross car and we go head-to-head, he will be embarassed.

Drag racing is 90% car 10% driver.
Autocross is 20% car 80% driver.

I can put an excellent autocrosser in a Yugo against a newbie in a Vette. The Yugo will win. Repeatedly.

Put those same cars on the drag strip and there is no way that the Yugo can win.

The two sports are that different,

I suppose someone will make me sorry that I posted this...

 

I agree with Keith.

 

I autoX and drag race recreationally. I agree that if all you are talking about is elapsed time, driver variance will be more readily apparent in autoX, but if you are talking about truly competing, where reaction times, 60' times, dial-ins, and car setup come into play, drag racing becomes every bit as complex and difficult as autoX or road racing. It's no different than the oval track/road course argument where many feel oval racing is easy ... yet the "road course specialists" that some NASCAR teams bring in look pretty ordinary against the "turn left only" Winston Cup drivers.

 

uh, what do you expect.. them to have enlarged heads with pulsating brains? Super big eyes with dual eyelids and extra mylated or whatever nerves running down their arms and legs? Cyborg butt-o-meter enhancements?

 

Okay. You see it from your perspective. I see it from mine. I don't feel like an elitest. I have been to the dragstrip a few times too. My best 60' s 2.2 in a completely stock SS on F1's. Now... if you can pull of a 1.6 in my car, then and only then will you earn my respect (after your tone in the previous post). Guess what? I launch at 1800 when I autocross. That's a little less than I do at the VHT prepared dragstrip. Some people see a green light in the parking lot and rip 1/8 inch of rubber off their rear tires thinking that's the fastest way to start out. The launch is just as important in autocross. 3 months ago I was bumped out of a first place finish by 0.008 seconds. You tel me... Is the launch important? The ONLY true driver skill that is required in drag racing is the launch (sometimes shifting too). But I can have somebody else build and prepare a 10 second car for me to drive. I might not be able to launch it like a pro. But it'll still be blazingly fast. You go sit in the car that won this year's nationals. See if you can come within 5 seconds of the champ's time on a 60 second course. More than likely, neither you nor I could pull it off.

This is my story and I'm sticking to it...

Test your car's ability at the track. Test your own ability at the autocross.

Sorry but we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

(until you try autocrossing )

Also... I hate to nit pick... But I really enjoy it..

You said...
obviously ppl that have never tried to launch a vehicle that has a 3lb/hp power to weight ratio

3lb/hp is a weight to power ratio.

 

lol! oh my... showing me the door, are you? and just who the **** do you think you are to do so? if what i have to say warrants being shown the door, then make a complaint to the moderator. otherwise discuss like you are an adult or kindly stfu. kthx.