With a carb does the stock IROC hood have the clerance to run a regular fan?

Im going with the carb instead of the TPI so I wont have the ram-air y-pipe or whatever you call it and my bottom mount for the electric fan is broken, so rather than diggin around in a junkyard for one so I have the clerance to just attach a regular metal fan to the water pump.

Bad idea. Mechanical fans suck. They are loud, and are a source of parasitic power loss. Just fix the electric fans mount.

Martin

Fair enough

I agree 100%.

The fan sucks a substantial amount of power away from the engine.

Why are ya goin carb?

well

A. Cheaper, for all the parts to build the TPI TB, Runners etc its alot

B. Resources I have muscle car guys in my family and they can give me alot more help carb wise than FI

C. Honestly almost all the fast 3rd gens I see are converted to carb

DON'T PUT A TOILET ON YOUR CAR.
I myself would rather use the tpi because of reliability and fuel milage.
if someone pops there hood i would rather see a tpi thwn a round air filter the tpi is more appealing

Believe it or not (I never would have believed it, but several mag tests have proved it), some mechanical fans can suck down power like you wouldn't believe. We're talking 30-40 hp! Fix the electric unit...

And TPI is dog**** for performance. However, the relatively cheap (and TPI compatable) Holley Stealth Ram setup looks like a real winner...

You guys are wasting your time trying to talk him out of going carbed...I've tried :)

Anyhow, like they said...keep electric cooling fan. I have a single 15" one from a carbed IROC I'll sell you. It bolts right in and will wire up to your stock relay setup. I cna also help you with wiring it.

Let me know if interested....

As much as I prefer TPI, whenever somebody brought cost into the mods picture, I had to back down and admit that carbs were the cheap way to make power.

Now we have the stealth ram. There's no longer any excuse to swap to carb in the name of cheap performance. Converting from TPI to carb will cost just as much as a stealth ram, and I'd love to see a carb that can add 63 horsepower at 5,200 rpm over the stock TPI on an L98 camaro. That was on a 100% stock L98 camaro with stock exhaust manifolds and a STOCK CHIP... and we all know how fussy speed density cars are to mods.

The stealth ram is the real deal and is real cheap. There's no longer a reason to abandon technology for the sake of affordability.

Imagine what a stock L98 with a cam and headers could do. :)

The only bad thing for me is that the stealth ram isn't available for Vortech heads :( So for my combination (heads and ZZ3 cam in stock short block) the most cost effective way to do things is to buy the $400 Scoggin-Dickey base and keep the stock runners and plenum for now until I can get the money together to get AS&M runners.

I priced out what it would cost to switch to carb and it would be a lot more.

Intake ($239)
Carb ($250)
HEI ($150)
Mallory 3 port FPR ($90)
Misc. Gaskets, bolts, etc. ($40)
TV Cable bracket ($20)

Total: Almost $800 and I know I had to forget a thing or two.

iroc5.7tpi check this out this intake he can drill the holes to fit vortech iron heads. www.lt1intake.com
this is the way i am going with vortech alum(fast burn)heads
just trying to help

94z'sson
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slow and yellow i have finally decided which way to go.
FAST IN THE QUARTER W/ DECENT GAS MILEAGE
THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY HARD :D

Originally posted by Jim85IROC
As much as I prefer TPI, whenever somebody brought cost into the mods picture, I had to back down and admit that carbs were the cheap way to make power.

Now we have the stealth ram. There's no longer any excuse to swap to carb in the name of cheap performance. Converting from TPI to carb will cost just as much as a stealth ram, and I'd love to see a carb that can add 63 horsepower at 5,200 rpm over the stock TPI on an L98 camaro. That was on a 100% stock L98 camaro with stock exhaust manifolds and a STOCK CHIP... and we all know how fussy speed density cars are to mods.

The stealth ram is the real deal and is real cheap. There's no longer a reason to abandon technology for the sake of affordability.

Imagine what a stock L98 with a cam and headers could do. :)

I'd like to see you price both induction systems out for us. I think you'll find that a carb and intake is still way cheaper.

Especially since there are excellent used combos everywhere that you can snap up for $300 or so. Never seen ANY fuel injection system go for less than twice that.

Originally posted by stevem
DON'T PUT A TOILET ON YOUR CAR.
I myself would rather use the tpi because of reliability and fuel milage.
if someone pops there hood i would rather see a tpi thwn a round air filter the tpi is more appealing seriously who gives a **** about which system is prettier to you (WHICH IS AN OPINION ANYWAYS). TPI aint God's gift to performance minded people.

Originally posted by stevem
DON'T PUT A TOILET ON YOUR CAR. go to a track, sure there are a lot of fast cars (there are at mine) and sure there are a lot of fast late models with fuel injection, but i dont see any fast ones running TPI systems from GM(not at my track). i do however see many many fast cars with carbs. price is a no brainer, dont even argue about it carbs are cheaper, especially when you factor in that you can sell your TPI to some old guy for $500-$600 complete. its almost a profit to go to a all new carb setup, which only requires a screwdriver to tune (nope you dont get to spend $250 on equipment, sorry)

i'm not dissing fuel injection (sure it has its advantages) but TPI aint the best around.


for the fan issue, i am switched to a mechanical flex fan. for me it was a no brainer. my single electric fan went dead. so for $30i could get another motor(but my engine would still overheat in traffic in the summer). so i spent $30 on a Derale flex fan and 2" spacer. i dont know how much HP i lost (butt dyno said i lost a lil bit. but its worth it to not have cooling problems come traffic in the summer. spinning this 17" fan which aint to light by the way (i think 3.5 lbs) has got to be robbing me of some power, but it does clear under the stock hood. if i had the money no doubt about it i would have baught some bad ass electric fans (aftermarket, Derale's are nice i have heard), but that was/is just not in the budget right now, so....

Originally posted by brodyscamaro
seriously who gives a **** about which system is prettier to you (WHICH IS AN OPINION ANYWAYS). TPI aint God's gift to performance minded people.

Can I ask why you're so rude to people? It seems you have a bad attitude towards people you don't even know...and I'm not referring to only this post. I have seen your posts on thirdgen.org and it seems you blast people for no apparent reason. Its not like anyone personally attacked you, they just have opposing opinions in a few issues.

So why do you have a chip on your shoulder?

im just playing around most of the time (this time included). i realize it can come off as rude or not cool but eh.....

c'mon you think a majority of my posts are like that, because i really dont think they are

if there was a chip on my shoulder, i'd eat it. lol

:D dude its all good

Sitting Bull,
The total cost for the Holley Stealth Ram is I think $440. You can use your stock injectors so you don't have to buy them. The stock TB bolts right on. I assume the gaskets come with it. The only other thing you have to buy are the fittings to connect the fuel rails. From what I have heard the fittings cost less than $50.
Plus the Stealth Ram kit can be ordered with an inline FPR already on it. (Which is, by the way, included in the price above)

So.... it is cheaper to go carb or go Stealth Ram in the name of performance? My book says Stealth Ram.

EVERYONE SHOULD CHECK OUT THIS NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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1987 irocz
finally figured out which route to go
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Originally posted by RedIrocZ-28
Sitting Bull,
The total cost for the Holley Stealth Ram is I think $440. You can use your stock injectors so you don't have to buy them. The stock TB bolts right on. I assume the gaskets come with it. The only other thing you have to buy are the fittings to connect the fuel rails. From what I have heard the fittings cost less than $50.
Plus the Stealth Ram kit can be ordered with an inline FPR already on it. (Which is, by the way, included in the price above)

So.... it is cheaper to go carb or go Stealth Ram in the name of performance? My book says Stealth Ram. what about after you sell the TPI setup??? man, here i was thinking that carbs were the most expensive way to go fast...

Im running a twin electic cooling fan on my 85 that is similar to the factory cooling fans onmy 97 z. my 85 is carborated with a deamon double pumper carb. its sucks more gas then i thought was earthly possible but the power it puts out over tpi is amazing. Tpi has its potintials but a 500 dollar deamon that can be set for street or strip with a screw driver in a few min. is my choice

Originally posted by Sitting Bull
I'd like to see you price both induction systems out for us. I think you'll find that a carb and intake is still way cheaper.

Especially since there are excellent used combos everywhere that you can snap up for $300 or so. Never seen ANY fuel injection system go for less than twice that. Well, obviously you're going to score some decent used stuff cheap, but it's awful hard to compare used prices.

But if you really need somebody to price out the induction systems, here goes:

From Thunderracing.com
Holley Stealth Ram: $280
Fuel rail kit: $175.
Misc. fuel line fittings & hoses: $50 (I doubt it'll cost that much)
Total: $505

From Summitracing.com (Thunderracing doesn't have any carb stuff)
Holley 4160 carb: $240 MINIMUM (Expect to pay more if you want over 600cfm or if you want any features)
Weiand intake manifold: $132
Summit chrome 14" air cleaner assembly: $18
Electric fuel pump: $57
Misc. fuel line fittings & hoses: $50 (Priced the same as above for the sake of a fair comparison)
Summit distributer (No more computer control for your stock HEI): $160

So far we're up to $657 and you still need to buy a new throttle cable, and I don't think you're going to get away with the stock water neck and upper coolant hose. You're also going to need to buy a temperature switch for your electric fan, and a few other gizmos that I haven't thought of, so let's add another $100 for the rest of the crap.

So.. $757 to convert to carb or $505 to use a HSR that will produce more power, better gas milage, and lower emissions. Even if you shop for some different products (i.e. edelbrock or carter carbs instead of a holley), the fact is, when it's all said and done, you're spending just as much or more for a carb swap.

Jim, thanks for the real comparison.

But guys, Darth needs to go carb because thats what he is gonna get help with. So let that be.

I am going Holley Stealth Ram this spring... I am a bit nervous though because I only have 7000 miles on my new motor and I am already gonna mod it AGAIN!

I'm gonna head over to thirdgen.org and get the inside scoop on this whole thing.

I'm with DarthIROC on this one. my car is also carbed and was thinking of goin TPI. but with a lil research and future help from those experienced with moddin out a carbed ride, ima stick with my 4bbl wonder.

:D LOL I love it, as I recall I sais in the 3rd post on this thread Fair Enough, meaning ok Ill stay with the elctric fan but unfortunately I have to find a dual set-up Im one of the unlucky IROC without dual fans. And then someone had to ask, "Hey Darth, why you goin carb? And once again the :eek: hit the fan. You guys just couldnt resist making this another huge argument about me going to a carb set-up up.

And yea like IROC5.7TPI said he already tried to talk me out of it, its not gonna work unless someone is just willing to hand me over a mini-ram for free, cause If not Ill just stick with my 650, Its already in the works. Now I just gotta get the pistons back in the car :mad:

I'll admit that one of the great things about carbs is that every town has at least one guy that knows them inside and out, so you can always get help. My TPI project has been an uphill struggle from day one, because there's nobody in my area that knows TPI, so I had to learn it all myself. But... with the help of the Internet, you can get anything answered. Going to the stealth ram is basically a no-brainer except for the chip burning process. The physical installation is straight-forward, and the computer control all remains 100% stock. No new system to learn. You're still working with the stock TPI except that it's a different shape.