Pedders XA COILOVERS FOR THE CAMARO

Our Pedders eXtreme Xa Coil Overs have been race proven in a multitude of platforms. In Fact, they just won a major award for one of the best aftermarket accessaries in Au. We have several hundred already in the states on the GTO, G8, and Subaru.

So what are the Pedders eXtreme Xa coil overs and how are they different from the majority of the coil overs out there?
Here is an explanation of the Pedders eXtreme XA Coil over:
1. Mono Tube design
2. 30 Way detented adjustable damping
3. Separate coil trapping adjustment.
4. Height adjustment done by not playing with coil spring rates and height

So lets review them with more detail.
1. 30 way detented damper adjustability. Some struts out there there have a dial that you put a certain position for damping levels. Without having them detented, you are only guessing at the rates. When you have 30 specific locations or adjustments you can ALWAYS repeat any settings as long as you can count. When you are in the 15 and above clicks, you should be able to tell the difference between each click. Here are some general areas for detent adjustments:
a. 2-5 clicks will give you OE damper performance
b. 12-15 clicks will give you a general street/canyon run performance level settings
c. 21-25 clicks are all out race race levels and too firm for normal street.
d. 30 clicks you are popping or making hemorrhoids!
Adjusting the struts is as simple as turning a dial and counting

2. You will have some serious height adjustability, and to be honest, more height adjustability than the Camaro can handle to maintain proper geometry. Now normal adjustable struts you lower or raist the lower spring seat to raise/lower the vehicle. But this increases spring biases. So with our Pedders Xa coil overs, we preset the coil preloads and then leave them alone. Then to adjust height, you will screw in the strut in/out of the of the lower knuckle bracket. This allows you to change heights and still keep normal spring travel. This is a big deal!! It allows you to have more of an accurate corner weight balance. Height adjustments will be from the -.5inches to a very low 1.5 inches. We will have a selection of coil rates for you and am not sure yet what the sport coils will be for the Camaro. But the G8 is at 7 to 8 kg/mm front and 10kg/mm rear. conversion factors have errors in them but to give you an approximate rating you might understand, 1kg/mm will equal 55.88 lb/in

Now what does all this mean? Instead of going into a lot of explanation, lets talk about results.

We just recently did a major track verification day in New Jersey, using professional drivers. We tested 3 TrackII Xa coil over systems with 3 different types of tires on a skid pad test. They pulled a 1.01g with split configured tires, 1.03g's with Michelin PS2's, and a 1.05g with Forgeline 19x9.5 ZX3 Wheels Bridgestone Potenza REO50A Pole Position 275/35/19 XL W. As a reference, a stock G8 GT with 19s turned a .93g. The magazines rated the Camaro with 20 inch tires at .93g with FE2 and .90g for FE3. Yes, the V6 will out-handle the SS,. Now a Ferrari Enzo is at 1.01g at $250,000 plus.

Even a HHR with Xas turned a .97g!

So how did it actually perform on the Track? In a 10 lap event. Pete's G8 was almost 30 seconds faster than a Z06 and a Porsche GT, both with Track Tires. Now Pete's G8 is running a Pro Charger, and the suspension was was set up for a road coarse.

So where are we at with the Camaro? This week the Camaro Xa Beta struts were air shipped to us. They are currently going thru customs. We already have a special Camaro set up to install. More on this Camaro later.

So we are in great shape. Camaros are in transit to the dealerships right now. We have all the bushings already in stock, and will have sway bars and strut tower brace very soon.

More info on the Xas can be seen on our website at:
http://www.peddersusa.com/products/6

Now what is the best way to get Xa"s. Buy them with a system. We will have multiple systems very soon:
Street Xa
eXtreme Xa package
Street Xa Plus package which will include sway bars.

Buying a system will give you some fantastic discounts over buying parts individually.
https://secure.merlinsoftware.com.au/peddersusa/PagesMain/ProductListings.aspx?Level1=CHEVROLET&Level2=CAMARO+PACKAGES

So if you have any questions, just ask!

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mike
dms

Here are some preliminary pricing on some of the Xa packages:

1/16/09 Pedders eXtreme Xa Street II Performance Kit
MERLIN STORE P/N CAMAROXASTREET
This is a value package with a kick! The new state of the art Pedders eXtreme Xa coil overs are revolutioning the auto suspension community! The Pedders Mono tube 30 way adjustability will give you the ultimate in desired ride, woth the flexibility that you will desire. Maciumum comfort when you want, to killer control when you have to show the world you are on top of your game. this package will include the critical bushings of Street 1 as well. For further control, you can upgrade to Track II with little duplcation in labor!

P/N DESCRIPTION Price
160086 Camaro eXtreme Xa Multi Adjustable Coilover Kit By Pedders $2,399.00
EP1167 Zeta Rear Differential Bush Kit $108.36
EP1169 Zeta Rear Extreme Sub-Frame Connector Kit $238.99
EP6577 CAMARO Front Radius rod with 5421 caster
increase shim $198.59
TBA CAMARO Zeta Extreme Strut - Brace $252.12

Pedders eXtreme Xa Street II Performance Kit PARTS TOTAL

$3,197.06
Menu System Discount $1,036.59

Menu System Discount Adjusted Parts Total $2,160.47



Now our merlin store has errors. It has our system listed at $1799.99, but it does not have the EP1167 differential bushing, plus it does not have our strut tower brace that is still in development.



The very serious package, our eXtreme Xa Track System is as follows:

PEDDERS CAMARO EXTREME XA TRACK SYSTEM
MERLIN STORE P/N CAMAROXATRACKEXT
1/16/09 "The eXtreme Xa Coil overs are a MAJOR INDUSTRY UPGRADE!! We are now offerig our exclusive eXtreme Xa Mono Tube, 30 way adjustable coil overs. We will offer 3 different coils: Street, Sports, and Race. The height is not adjusted by modifying spring rates like all others. These are the coolest coil overs on the market for the G8. The 30 way DETENTED, adjustability, gaurentees exact duplication when adjusting rates. The Track eXtreme combines all the components of the Street II and adds sway bars, bushes endlinks and coilovers. With the virtual pivot point design and the advanced independent rear suspension your tracked Camaro does not need to be over sprung and over damped. In complete OE trim it will out perform many respected marques. With a Track II eXtreme System your ZETA II Camaro is this close to race ready and yet still street comfortable. This is where GM's billion dollar investment in the ZETA architecture reaches levels of performance that are as aggressive as the Camaro styling. You real can have it all. The look. The handling. The comfort. The Camaro didn't return to the market. Your Pedderised ZETA II Camaro will dominate the market.

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Part # Pedders Compnent Price
160086 Camaro eXtreme Xa Multi Adjustable Coilover Kit By Pedders $2,399.00
429006ADJKIT Zeta eXtreme sway bar adjustable kit $345.21
EP1167 Zeta Rear Differential Bush Kit $108.36
EP1169 Zeta Rear Extreme Sub-Frame Connector Kit $238.99
EP2112 Zeta Steering Rack Bush $26.25
EP6561 Zeta Front Control Arm Bush - Inner Bush $134.98
EP6577 CAMARO Front Radius rod with 5421 caster increase shim $198.59
EP7263 Zeta Rear Control arm - Upper inner rear $96.20
EP7264 Zeta rear lower control arm inner $96.20
EP7265 Zeta Rear Trailing arm Inner $96.20
EP7266 Zeta Rear Lower Control Arm & Rear Trailing Arm Outer $96.20
EP7267 Zeta Rear Toe link - inner and outer (2 kits required) $96.20
EP7267 Zeta Rear Toe link - inner and outer (2 kits required) $96.20
TBA CAMARO Zeta Extreme Strut - Brace $252.12

PEDDERS CAMARO EXTREME XA TRACK SYSTEM PARTS TOTAL
$4,280.70
Menu System Discount $982.39

Menu System Discount Adjusted Parts Total $3,298.31

The Track II info above is preliminary. The parts are correct, but the pricing discounts have yet to be finalized. Our merlin store lists the TrackII at $2599.99, but parts are iincomplete.

So here are some preliminary systems for you to look at. We will probably have a Street Xa Plus system that will include our sway bar kit. This has not been done yet. the pricing levels should be determined and accurate by the end of the month.

Now to give you some idea of the outcome of the eXtreme Track System, lets look at the 3 G8s with this system on it that we just checked in New Jersey. Now a stock G8 GT with 19 inch OE performance tires, turned a .93g on a skid pad. The 3 G8s with this system turned a 1.01g, 1.03g, and a 1.05g. The variations in the 3 has to do mostly with tire and wheel configurations, and alignment. As a reference, a Ferrari Enzo has a skid pad rating of 1.01g.

Now that there are a bunch of Camaros in transit to the dealers, we will have specific data hopefully on Camaro in 45-60 days.

thanks
mike
dms

Awesome info! Just made a blog entry about it...

Pedders eXtreme Xa Coil Overs Will Find a Home on My 2010 Camaro (http://www.phantomss.com/2010-camaro-ss/pedders-extreme-xa-coil-overs-on-my-2010-camaro/)

Now I know this is a G8 and slightly different. But the before/after shots will be fairly comparatve to the Camaro

I just finished a Xa Street System on a G8 at Abel Chevrolet Pontiac Buick in Suisun, Ca. Its a new G8, the same color as Petes, with 19s. The owner wanted a slight old school rake and the fronts to have the fenders nearly equal to the tires. This is exactly what we did.

Originally the heights were at 652-655 front, and 650-653 rears. After installing the Xas, we set the fronts to 600mm and the rears to 610mm. The front dampers at 16clicks and the rears at 12 clicks. This is a moderately aggressive setup.

Here are the before and after pictures:

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After WITH XA'S AT 600 FRONT AND 610 REAR

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Now we have done a very serious amount of testing, and corner balancing of Pete's G8

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Now Pete's G8 s corner balanced. Production vehicles with limited option lists are very consistent in weight distribution. Using the locking collar measurements as presets for your Xa coilover installation will get you close to a corner weighted vehicle. While the car would not be coner weighted, you starting point for corner weighting will be pretty darn close.

RF 33mm / FR 610mm
LF 29.7mm / FL 610mm
RR 30.5mm / RR 595
LR 38mm / LR 593

Now Pete and have have different goals in mind. Pete;s G8 is all about performance and it does exactly what what he wants. Me personally I do no like the back end look. but to get the G8 balanced correctly, it needs to be 15mm lower in the rear. ( GTOs and LXs are the same). But as long as the customer is not racing, I like the old school slight rake, and the stance of the G8 at 600 front and 610 rear.

Your thoughts.

mike
dms

all true i know for sure on the corner balance i was the ballast lol

backstreet perf. rocks
erich anr rich are easy to deal with and will set your car up to do what you do

not everybody drives at the same pace or same track !!!!!!!!!!

david

when will we be taking delivery on our xa set?

when will we be taking delivery on our xa set?

Too early to tell

mike
dms

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Camaro Xa Kit #1 is in the building!!!

We have to validate the fitment from pre-production to production Camaro. As soon as we get our hands on a production version and verify there have been no changes we will turn on the production in volume. Anyone have a PRODUCTION 2010 Camaro in the Michigan area they are willing to let me play with for a day?

Anyone have a PRODUCTION 2010 Camaro in the Michigan area they are willing to let me play with for a day?

Oooohh! Oooohhh! Pick me! Pick me!! ;);)

Awesome, someone should have theirs soon!

Looks Great! Glad you finally got it. Can't wait to hear how production fitment turns out.

We really are waiting on the first available 2010 production Camaro. Anyone with an early release vehicle who wants Xa coilovers should call me as soon as their delivery date is confirmed.

248.522.8021

That's your chance, guys! As soon as you get your 2010 Camaro, get your hands on that phone and dial up Pete and have him hook you up!!

if i hear something ill let you know.

Here is the first look at an OE strut assembly on the ZETA II Camaro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of2isARM76A

You saw it here on CamaroZ28.com first!

any ETA on the Xa kit ? my cars being made the week of the 11th next month and i am hoping to have the kit here when the car comes in.

We completed a successful fit of our Xa coilovers to the Camaro Black at the Milford Proving Grounds on Monday. Woo Hoo they fit!!!!

The coilovers are good to go. We need to make revisions to our sways. The T2 Front and rear Coils are also good to go. In short, it was a GREAT DAY at Milford. I wish I could tell you more about what I saw while I was there. GM has financial woes, but they are still doing amazing work at the Milford Proving Grounds with some of the most dedicated car guys in the world!

The short answer is about eight weeks.

eight weeks until we get the xa kit?

eight weeks until we get the xa kit?

7.5 weeks :D

We did the final fit at Milford about two weeks ago and that is when we released the units for production. They fit perfectly, as expected, on the Camaro Black. Dale Jr's and the Red SS will be on our Xa Coilovers shortly. I'll be back at Milford this Thursday to do some follow up work.

if you dont mind me asking , why did you put the xa kit on the sema cars when they are basically just show cars?

if you dont mind me asking , why did you put the xa kit on the sema cars when they are basically just show cars?Because GM wanted them!

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For show cars, the coilover is a perfect solution. No matter what height coil the manufacturing produces based on the design request it will be wrong for the designer. With a height adjustable coilover the Show Car can be set to the exact height the designer requests -- no matter how often they change their minds. :lol:

Aside from that, there were some fitment issues with the coils they were using. That is no surprise for one off special request product. That is absolutely no reflection on the companies that made the coils. We are very pleased to have been asked to contribute to the Camaro project.

the real reason is Pete and me wanted to go to Milford and see what they got. LOL.



We accomplished 2 things: helped GM out of a jam. this opened up soe very big doors for us. More on that later. But it did give us a chance test the fitment. which was critical and worth the efforts for sure

mike
dms

very cool. sounds like you guys saw some pretty sweet stuff there at milford. ok so about 7 weeks out before we receive our xa kits? good. im getting excited. my car is produced either today or possibly yesterday. i should get it by the end of the month. ill have some drive time with the factory components before they get swapped out. this will work out perfectly.

We did see a LOT and are not allowed to talk about what we saw :cry:

Guys stay tuned. We are just about about ready to make some pre order 1 times opportunities

mike
dms

Guys stay tuned. We are just about about ready to make some pre order 1 times opportunities

mike
dms
pre order one times opportunity?? like? my car should be here any day now and i pre ordered. count me in.

Guys stay tuned. We are just about about ready to make some pre order 1 times opportunities

mike
dms

when should we expect this 1 time opportunity? this week? next week?

I think the goal is this week

mike
dms

do we have an updated ETA on the XA kit?

We are slow on delivery, because of the late release of the Camaro by GM. We held up production until we could get under a couple of production vehicles to validate our fitment and our high profile installations with a couple of Dealers and GM at the Proving Grounds were great opportunities for this. The Xa coilovers fit perfectly, are produced and waiting for the boat to arrive in port.

Radius rod bushes are good to go.
Differential bushes are good to go.
Sway Bars are being revised for clearance.
Endlinks are good to go.
Sub-Frame Inserts are being revised
Trailing Arm Bushes are good to go.
Upper Control Arm Bushes are good to go.

We expect to have stock for all these bits when the first Pre-Order of Xa coilovers arrive. I think this summary covers most of your questions. Now I will make it even harder to wait. We have air freighted at considerable expense a handful of Xa coilovers for magazine cars with Nickey, Hennessy and Fesler Moss. With the Nickey car we did the fitment of the Xa coilovers, eXtreme Radius Rod Snubbers, eXtreme Rear Camber and Toe Adjusters and a Pedders alignment at the Autobahn Country Club (http://www.autobahncountryclub.net/)in Joliet Illinois with TEAM Stradale (http://teamstradale.com/nickey.html). Our first test was to establish the base line performance with stock tires, wheels, suspension and alignment. The head of the Autobahn Track Driving School Francesco Abate was our designated driver. Typically he is driving track prepared BMWs and Ferrari's. Last Thursday it was a Camaro SS. his initial drive was solid, but a bit uncertain. There is substantial lean and roll and a significant amount of understeer resulting in solid lap times.

We brought the Camaro into the shop and installed the VERY first 2010 Camaro Radius Rod Snubbers originally developed for GM High Performance. Unfortunately that project was been dropped, but we still have the parts so the Nickey Camaro was a logical place to test them. They take up space and remove compliance making the radius rod bush eXtremely stable. This part is one of the very few bits Pedders makes that will be sold for Track Use Only.

Installing the Xa Coilovers alters the spring rates with 8Kg coils up front and 10Kg coils in the rear. Damping set to full soft starts where the OEM dampers end. We tested at 25 or 5 off full hard upfront and 15 or in the middle in the rear. This was done to minimise the push created by vehicle balance and a staggered set of OEM tires. The alignment is the same as the one we use on my four door Camaro / Pontiac G8.

Front
Camber -2.2
Castor -- it is fixed from the factory on the Camaro -- well at least until Pedders releases front Castor eXtreme Adjuster Bolts and Washers.
Toe -.25

Rear
Camber -1.1
Toe 0.03/0.02
Thrust Angle 0

We lowered the Camaro SS quite a bit. I am waiting on some data from Francesco, but from memory we dropped the front 30mm and the rear 40mm. The transformation on the vehicle was incredible. Our first lap, Francesco was uncomfortable. The car just didn't feel right. Then we noticed that the Traction Control had not been turned off. While still running at speed, I turned off the traction control. The car felt more than alright. It felt fast. It still had too much push which can be further reduced by lowering the rear. That was my fault. Being a Nickey car, it should look like Nickey Camaro with the traditional Muscle Car stance so I left it a bit too tall. We need to bring the rear of the vehicle down another 15mm. Moving to 10.x20 rims all around with something like 295/35/20/XL or 305/30/20/XL should balance out the car with more grip up front and be balanced front to rear, but I digress.

The Nickey Camaro with Pedders Radius Rob Snubbers, Xa coilovers and a Pedders Alignment was a blistering 2.41 seconds per lap faster on our worst Pedderised lap. We feel that with ONLY suspension upgrades to include sub-frame bush inserts, upper rear control arm bushes, trailing arm bushes, bars and endlinks we have another 1.5 seconds. That would mean you can take a Camaro SS and find 4 bullet proof reliable seconds with nothing more than a few suspension upgrades. There is no motor upgrade that could deliver this improvement, because we were at the limits of the OEM suspension with OEM RWHP. Adding HP would do nothing for lap times.

As for Francesco, he is now an American Muscle Car addict. As we continue to work with Nickey Chicago at the Autobahn with Francesco we will continue to update this thread. Our next session should take place in about a month when we finish the suspension with our revised bits. Following that, will be a matched set of tires and wheels. Following that will be more RWHP. As time allows, we will be working with Hennessy and Fesler Moss on similar projects that will all receive national media attention.

Orders and retail sales of our Xa coilovers have been staggering. I never expected to sell coilovers in this volume for the Camaro, GTO, G8 and other platforms. Volume is good. Because we are running production at this level we are LOWERING the retail price for our coilovers across the board. They will not be as low as the December Dollar Days, but they will be going down based on volume. I can't thank the online communities that are the driving force behind these orders enough. We haven't had delivery on the first pre-order and we have already sold out the second order and while neither the first of second orders have shipped, we are on our third order with a production schedule that is eXtremely different than it looked 60 days ago.

Aside from that, I don't have much new information to share with you. ;)

What a great parking place. These are the rides that normally would be found in the Stradle Stable.

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What happened to the Castor Adjustment slot on the Camaro ZETA II chassis?

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The front Camaro Xa Coilover is hung,

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We talked about the Camaro project so much that we were pressed for time to complete our work and get out on the track for session II. It was all hands on deck to get the job done.

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The gold rear strut washer goes on top and the silver washer on the bottom.

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The verys first set of eXtreme Rear Camber and Toe Adjusters is installed on the Nickey Camaro. There are benefits to being close to Pedders Head Office.

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TEAM Stradale has great facilities. Thier state-of-the-art drive on alignment rack made the Peddersised Camaro alignment a breeze. It must be something iabout Illinois becuase the first drive on alignment rack I used was at Waukegan Tire and they have four of them.

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Pictured from Left to Right: Pete Basica Pedders USA, Stafano Bimbi Nickey Chicago and Francesco Abate TEAM Stradale. Yes, you have to love Italian food to hand with this crew.

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This is a great shot of the OE suspension running at speed on the track.

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These are on track with the Camaro Pedderised.
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That's awesome! Can't wait to get a set on my car!

That's awesome! Can't wait to get a set on my car!
Even better to drive.

I'll be a customer when my car is being built. Will have some technical/test questions when the time comes. Thanks for the updates!

I'll be a customer when my car is being built. Will have some technical/test questions when the time comes. Thanks for the updates!That is kind of funny becuase when my gets built I'll be a customer too!

so we still have a few weeks before the kits will be ready to ship out? hey pete, when these kits are installed, does the camber get messed up on the car? im having backstreet motors do my install here in ohio. will they be able to take care of the camber with this if there is alot? i just dont want to have it so bad that its ruining the tires after a few thousand miles. also, i had my deposit put down last year for the special pricing, will someone call me to paythe rest of the balance or will they just charge the credit card i used for the down payment?

so we still have a few weeks before the kits will be ready to ship out? hey pete, when these kits are installed, does the camber get messed up on the car? im having backstreet motors do my install here in ohio. will they be able to take care of the camber with this if there is alot? i just dont want to have it so bad that its ruining the tires after a few thousand miles. also, i had my deposit put down last year for the special pricing, will someone call me to pay the rest of the balance or will they just charge the credit card i used for the down payment?

Yes, you will get a call before the Xa kit ships. You will also get an email.

Backstreet is one of our finest Dealers. I have Backstreet setup my alignment for track days because are very very good. When you install your Xa coilovers a complete alignment is in order. In fact, we have developed a set of rear camber and toe eXtreme Adjustment Bolts and Washers to get your Camaro exactly where it should be for street, drag strip, autocross of road course or road course use. They should be ready to ship[ some time next week. Here is a sneak peek at the ZETA Rear eXtreme Camber and Toe Kit.

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The OEM adjuster provides less than a degree of adjustment. Pedders eXtreme Camber and Toe Kist provides more than 2 degrees of adjustment range. We also go one step further and provide jam nuts to lock down the alignement bolts.

very cool. i can not wait to see how much better this car is going to handle. i love it now, im going to be IN love with it after i get my goodies on it.

very cool. i can not wait to see how much better this car is going to handle. i love it now, I'm going to be IN love with it after i get my goodies on it.You cannot even begin to imagine what a great car you own. I have professional race car drivers telling me my ZETA G8 is easier to drive fast than their race cars. I have my speed warning set to 80, 90, 100 and 110 becuase I just seem to drift by these marks. 140 feels like 80 and that will get you in trouble fast.

I made a modification to my exhaust using a 24" chambered muffler to replace the OEM resonators. As many of you know, drone in the AFM vehicle is an ideosincracy of the exhaust. The chambered mufflers have my G8 with NO drone and quieter than OE. It is as quiet as a Buick going down the road. So quiet that I notice wind noises that were imperceptible with the OEM exhaust. Combine dead quiet with stability and predictability and speed limits seem more like slow motion devices. It is really hard to stay at legal speeds without using cruise control. There is just no sense of speed.

Now when I want to disturb my neighbors, I press my Quick Time Performance button and run off the 24" chambered exhaust. There is a significant gain in RWHP and the exhaust note is pure American Muscle. I liked it so much, my GTO now has a QTP cut out. Take a wild guess what my Camaro will have?

so we still have a few weeks before the kits will be ready to ship out? hey pete, when these kits are installed, does the camber get messed up on the car? im having backstreet motors do my install here in ohio. will they be able to take care of the camber with this if there is alot? i just dont want to have it so bad that its ruining the tires after a few thousand miles. also, i had my deposit put down last year for the special pricing, will someone call me to paythe rest of the balance or will they just charge the credit card i used for the down payment?

Too funny. You stole my tech question about a camber adjustment and if so are the shims going to be available?
That is a negative camber adjust correct?

You cannot even begin to imagine what a great car you own. I have professional race car drivers telling me my ZETA G8 is easier to drive fast than their race cars. I have my speed warning set to 80, 90, 100 and 110 becuase I just seem to drift by these marks. 140 feels like 80 and that will get you in trouble fast.

I made a modification to my exhaust using a 24" chambered muffler to replace the OEM resonators. As many of you know, drone in the AFM vehicle is an ideosincracy of the exhaust. The chambered mufflers have my G8 with NO drone and quieter than OE. It is as quiet as a Buick going down the road. So quiet that I notice wind noises that were imperceptible with the OEM exhaust. Combine dead quiet with stability and predictability and speed limits seem more like slow motion devices. It is really hard to stay at legal speeds without using cruise control. There is just no sense of speed.

Now when I want to disturb my neighbors, I press my Quick Time Performance button and run off the 24" chambered exhaust. There is a significant gain in RWHP and the exhaust note is pure American Muscle. I liked it so much, my GTO now has a QTP cut out. Take a wild guess what my Camaro will have?

What's a speed limit? lol I love this shiyt
Oh,I should see my car in August barring any bad karma. Maybe sooner.

You cannot even begin to imagine what a great car you own. I have professional race car drivers telling me my ZETA G8 is easier to drive fast than their race cars. I have my speed warning set to 80, 90, 100 and 110 becuase I just seem to drift by these marks. 140 feels like 80 and that will get you in trouble fast.

I made a modification to my exhaust using a 24" chambered muffler to replace the OEM resonators. As many of you know, drone in the AFM vehicle is an ideosincracy of the exhaust. The chambered mufflers have my G8 with NO drone and quieter than OE. It is as quiet as a Buick going down the road. So quiet that I notice wind noises that were imperceptible with the OEM exhaust. Combine dead quiet with stability and predictability and speed limits seem more like slow motion devices. It is really hard to stay at legal speeds without using cruise control. There is just no sense of speed.

Now when I want to disturb my neighbors, I press my Quick Time Performance button and run off the 24" chambered exhaust. There is a significant gain in RWHP and the exhaust note is pure American Muscle. I liked it so much, my GTO now has a QTP cut out. Take a wild guess what my Camaro will have?

ive noticed that doing 80 really feels like im doing 40. its bad. hopefully the tighter suspension will give me more of a sense of the speed.

ive noticed that doing 80 really feels like im doing 40. its bad. hopefully the tighter suspension will give me more of a sense of the speed.

Our tag line is No Bull so here it is with No Bull. Your Camaro will feel slower at higher speeds because it will become so much more stable and predictable. Running at 160 MPH should be thrilling, it feels like 55 MPH. I am ashamed to say my wife has poked me for coming off an expressway ramp at well over 100 MPH entering the road with my kids in the car. She is absolutely right and I should not be traveling that fast any time but especially with the kids on board. So help me it just doesn't feel fast at all. The car is no where near the edge.

That is the downside to a Pedderised ZETA. It makes you feel indestructible which is not the case. If anything breaks at these high rates of speed, if an animal wanders onto the road bad things can happen really fast. I try hard to be responsible and confine my triple digit driving to track days. I am old enough to know better or maybe I am just older.

sometimes driving fast isnt bad, as long as your a good driver. i think someone can go 100mph and still be totally in control and aware of their surroundings. especially if the car is done right and can handle the situations, i dont see anything wrong with it.

We should all drive responsibly, and within the boundaries of the law, even though that may be difficult to do at times.

I can however; confirm that 100mph does feel like 50 or 60mph in the Nickey Super Camaro project car with the Pedders Suspension Kit and setup.

speed limits are just a recommendation. :)

Pete told me in Michigan, you take the first 2 numbers of your triple digit speeds, add them together, then ut that number in front of the 0. I.E, 145 means 55mph. He siad they do things differently in Michigan like a Michigan left turn. LOL

mike
dms

Rotflmao

Pete told me in Michigan, you take the first 2 numbers of your triple digit speeds, add them together, then ut that number in front of the 0. I.E, 145 means 55mph. He siad they do things differently in Michigan like a Michigan left turn.

:lol:

By extension, wouldn't that mean that 210mph = 120mph (which both = 30mph)?

:thumb: :lol:

By extension, wouldn't that mean that 210mph = 120mph (which both = 30mph)?
:lol:

:lol:

By extension, wouldn't that mean that 210mph = 120mph (which both = 30mph)?

Boy,
you are one smart dude! LOL

mike

Boy,
you are one smart dude! LOL

You don't know the half of it. :)

You don't know the half of it. :)

:p :D

any news on when the xa kit is going to be hitting the shores? when can i expect to receive mine?

any news on when the xa kit is going to be hitting the shores? when can i expect to receive mine?

There are a bunch of them on the big cruise now. Hopefully soon

mike
dms

Awesome.

maybe by the end of july?

Check this out! Another Pedders Xa equipped Camaro!

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imagehosting/74a602810c7457.jpg

thanks
mike
dms

so how much longer are we looking at until these kits hit the shore?

which boat are they on? the Nina, Pinta or Santa Maria?

which boat are they on? the Nina, Pinta or Santa Maria?

You forgot the Titanic and the Arizona. LOL

mike
dms

no, but seriously. how much longer are we looking at? im sure everyone is really busy but i put money down a long time ago and its taking 6 weeks for a boat to go from Australia to the US?

no, but seriously. how much longer are we looking at? im sure everyone is really busy but i put money down a long time ago and its taking 6 weeks for a boat to go from Australia to the US?

Boats are pretty slow. From Australia, we're talking more than 10,000 miles. Six weeks isn't unreasonable. I would hope it won't be much longer, though. :)

well its probably the cheapest route of transportation but its for sure not the quickest. this is the longest 6 weeks of my life.

We have an alternative for those who do not want to wait for the boat. We can have them air shipped that can still take 7 days, but the cost is around $350.

mike
dms

they told me that was an option. ive already waited the 5 weeks since they told me 6 weeks. im just wondering if they have a more definate date yet.