Official Camaro Salesperson Reference Guide released to dealers (scans).

Haven't seen this posted so I assume this guide has just gone to dealers pretty recently. 8 pages of goodies :)

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6040

EDIT: COLOR versions...
http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1125
Click the "Download photo..." link under each one for higher res.


Now we'll all know how our salespeople will try to sell us on the car ;)

man, i love the internet ... thx for the post

Lots of good info in there , thanx for posting . The inferno orange accent interior sounds pretty sweet :cool:

Holy crap, it weighs that much, and doesnt even have a standard spare? :eek:

Also, stripes... And an orange interior package? :lol:

Page 3 shows the concept car, but calls it a 2010 RS/SS:lol:

2 WORLD CLASS cupholders:lol:

No red interior :mad:

Oh well, all in all I'm still really happy w/ it.:yes:

Now we'll all know how our salespeople will try to sell us on the car ;)

I went into my dealer yesterday to see if they had any info. on when they would be able to order, if there were allocation limits, any info. on options, etc. I was told they had nothing official, but they were taking $5,000 deposits and if I didn't pay up now I would have to pay over MSRP when the cars came out.
I told the guy I would never pay over MSRP and he told me Chevy was only going to make a limited number of Camaros for a short time and I might not be able to get one at all if I waited. That's when my BS alarm started to sound.
I'm impressed that your dealer gave you a copy of this; good find. I wish my dealer was that user-friendly. (He may not contnue to be my dealer if his people keep giving me crap like that.)

On page 4 it says: CHMSL is LED and located on the package shelf under glass"

What does that mean?

On page 4 it says: CHMSL is LED and located on the package shelf under glass"

What does that mean?

I 99% sure it means Central High Mounted Stop Lamp. Or somthing very close to that... Aka your 3rd brake light.

I just noticed OnStar is standard. Does that mean there is no way out of the little shark fin antenna on the roof? I'd rather pass on that.

Dealer sales guy:

You know it has a Corvette engine in it

On page 4 it says: CHMSL is LED and located on the package shelf under glass"

What does that mean?
Center High Mounted Stop Light, and it's mounted behind the back seats up next to the glass, not integrated into the trunklid or spoiler like the 4th gen was.



Dealer sales guy:

You know it has a Corvette engine in it
lol, trying to think of the last time it DIDN'T:lol:

I hate BS salesmen

First I've heard of the Boston Acoustics sound system. 9-speaker 245 watt system......I hope it sounds good.

dealer told me tonight that they will only get one and that GM is only going to make a limeted number of cars.

How are these guys so wrong?

First I've heard of the Boston Acoustics sound system. 9-speaker 245 watt system......I hope it sounds good.

You should start listening to the podcast. I'm pretty sure Jason brought that up two or three weeks ago. :)

I'm curious about the demographics of the new Camaro, so I thought the lead in was interesting:

Camaro will attract a very loyal customer base of passionate enthusiasts and look to target a new, more youthful customer. These new customers are very passionate drivers. They enjoy an exciting driving experience and like to impress and surprise others with with they drive.

So they were thinking of you guys all along :), and the idea of a "youthful customer" IMO gets back more the original idea of the Camaro.

Now, I hope GM follows through and target markets the "ricer" set, because otherwise convertible sales might suffer from toupees being blown off :p

I'm fairly savy at current audio tech, but I have to ask, what on earth is a seven-channel sub-woofer? That almost sounds like something they'd sell at this site http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8. I guess maybe a seven-channel sub-woofer might be needed when making a burn-a$$ hot rod.

The PDF scans aren't doing it for me. Here is all is in living color:
http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1125
Click the "Download photo..." link under each one for higher res.

OP, hope you don't mind that I edited your post so everyone new to the thread can see the color versions.

Page 3 shows the concept car, but calls it a 2010 RS/SS:lol:

2 WORLD CLASS cupholders:lol:

Remember, this is for salespeople only. In most cases, they care about the car for much different reasons than we do. For example...

I went into my dealer ... told me Chevy was only going to make a limited number of Camaros for a short time and I might not be able to get one at all if I waited. That's when my BS alarm started to sound.

Your go-go gadget boxing glove alarm should have went off. That is 100% wrong. Chevrolet wants to sell as many as they can because when dealers find a dandy excuse to mark it up (like a "limited number" line), GM doesn't get anything from that extra markup.

Dealer sales guy:

You know it has a Corvette engine in it

And they will only make them for one year, heard that one is going around too.

dealer told me tonight that they will only get one and that GM is only going to make a limeted number of cars.

That might be partially true. Some dealerships will only be allocated one but that doesn't mean the dealership he next town over won't get 25. Of course, the "limited" line is crap as mentioned above.

Regardless, everyone needs to go with the dealership that is willing to treat you right, ask for a fair price and not feed you a line of BS to get you to feel okay about being raked over the coals.

I am going to my Chevy Dealer Guy - I have to get one of these. Did they hand them out like popcorn or is it one per dealer?

-Geoff

uh, well, hope it gets to stay up. thats all i have to say.

(where's the lil smily dude being chased by black suburbans?)

First I've heard of the Boston Acoustics sound system. 9-speaker 245 watt system......I hope it sounds good.

You should start listening to the podcast. I'm pretty sure Jason brought that up two or three weeks ago. :)

First, I have NEVER bought a car that I didn't change or make mods to the stock system; some new head units, some existing with speaker/amp mods. My 04 GTO still has the original Blaupunkt head unit but has had all the speakers replaced with Alpine tweeters and door/rear seat midrange, and Kicker CompVR subs in the rear deck (what fantastic speakers those are for bass from a pair of 8") and has (2) Alpine amps running everything. The stock stereo would have been fantastic for my grandparents, good for my folks...

That being said, and not having listened to the podcast, my guess is the Camaro will be pretty much at that level. Factory speakers, standard, Bose, BA, or whatever, have never been able to handle factory head unit upper volume without distortion- if the head unit was even sufficient to power them. If you're one of those people that see no need to drown out your wife, or feel like you were back in high school when "Pour Some Sugar On Me" is the song your radio station just started playing, then it's probably ok. For me, radio delete would be a fantastic option.

the idea of a "youthful customer" IMO gets back more the original idea of the Camaro.
Now, I hope GM follows through and target markets the "ricer" set, because otherwise convertible sales might suffer from toupees being blown off :p

Ha!! Hope they don't card me. They may not sell me one because I'm too old. I'll be 60 when I order my convertible. :D

Bob

The stereo, the one thing that DOES stay stock in my vehicles. Factory equipment is adequate for me. Actually, when the stock radio went out on my buddies El Camino SS, we threw in the head unit from a newer GM vehicle.

350 Corvette Motor.

350 Corvette Motor.

At which point you say, "Dammit, I wanted a Camaro motor!"
Then turn around and walk away.

does any one know what the spoiler on the SS/RS package looks like?

is it this one?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4385&d=1206991298

I think it looks nice imo

does any one know what the spoiler on the SS/RS package looks like?

is it this one?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4385&d=1206991298

I think it looks nice imo

I have no idea but my guess is..... NOT. Looks way to aftermarket ricer IMO.

does any one know what the spoiler on the SS/RS package looks like?

is it this one?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4385&d=1206991298

I think it looks nice imo
looks the same as the spoiler on the LT/RS

Not a fan of the required OnStar.

looks the same as the spoiler on the LT/RS

If anything what you're looking at will probably be the SAP aftermarket kit; like was offered for my GTO. I actually ended up keeping the OEM wing on. See below. Notice any similarities?

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x124/trm0002/OEM_1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x124/trm0002/OEM_2.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x124/trm0002/SAP_1.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x124/trm0002/SAP_2.jpg

Im confused by the optional stripes. It says white and cyber gray in parenthesis. Does that mean stripes are only available if you get those color camaros? Or does it mean that the only colors your stripes can be are white stripes or cyber gray stripes?

does it mean that the only colors your stripes can be are white stripes or cyber gray stripes?

This is my understanding

The PDF scans aren't doing it for me. Here is all is in living color:
http://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1125
Click the "Download photo..." link under each one for higher res.

Many, many thanks for getting the color version up in high quality. I feel like Dorothy stepping into Oz, only Oz is full of new Camaros.

the white and cyber grey are stripe colors that you can order from the factory but other stripe colors will be available from GM Parts :cool:

I'm fairly savy at current audio tech, but I have to ask, what on earth is a seven-channel sub-woofer? That almost sounds like something they'd sell at this site http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8. I guess maybe a seven-channel sub-woofer might be needed when making a burn-a$$ hot rod.

I asked this question when the first press releases came out and assumed it was a mis-print of some sort, but there it is again. Here's another release on the audio system but with no real specifics:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5988

I asked this question when the first press releases came out and assumed it was a mis-print of some sort, but there it is again. Here's another release on the audio system but with no real specifics:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5988

From the link above: "This is truly a sports car for the 21st century.”
Sorry about going off on a tangent, but why do some in the industry continue to call the Camaro a sports car. Really gets my goat! There, I've said it and I'm done.

Bob

the white and cyber grey are stripe colors that you can order from the factory but other stripe colors will be available from GM Parts :cool:

Source??

That's what was said during one of the release day on-line chats. I'm sure the transcripts are up on the site somewhere.

I really wish they would stop using the concept Camaro in advertising pics or on the website and depicting or actually labeling it a 2010 production car. To me it's all about the details and making sure the dealers are accurate in their info will go so much further to cut the silly remarks that we've all hard them spout.
They are close in looks but when it's important to inform your sales people make sure they have the best and most accurate info possible.

Holy crap, it weighs that much, and doesnt even have a standard spare? :eek:

Also, stripes... And an orange interior package? :lol:

You gotta actually take time to read things before commenting there, bro.

It's orange stitching in a black interior with interior trim on the dash and doors. It's called the "Inferno Orange Interior Accent Package".

Page 6.

Stripes are a separate option. Comes in white or grey.

Page 4.

As for the weight, take a look at that rear independent suspension assembly (page 9) that looks like it would hold up in a 18 wheeler. When you compare that IRS to a live axle, and it's no mystery where a good portion of the increased weight is.

Sounds like no hud at all at this point. :(

Not for Start of Regular Production. Probably added later.

I just hope they do a "dealer orientation" or whatever for the Camaros down the street from me like they have recently.
Shortly before the HHR's hit the streets I was driving home from work one day and saw this LONG line of HHR's going the other way, must of been about 20 or 25 of them. A while latter I saw them go down the road the other way. So I got in the Camaro and headed down the street. There is a large banquet hall that people rent out for weddings and such. They had some signs out front, something about GM Orientation or something, don't remember exactly. Had a couple of PT Crusiers around as well. Lasted for 2 or3 days I believe.
Well they did it again right before the G8's hit the streets. Only this time there were only about eight of the G8's, couple of SRT Chargers, a Lexus or Infinity (no longer care enough to worry about spotting the difference), and another car or two I don't recall. My guess is they're doing an orientation thing for the dealers and salepersons and sizing up the competition.
I pretty much stayed away and didn't want to intrude or get in the way, but if they do that there for the Camaro's, me and my car will DEFINITELY be spending some time down there. I figure if I pull in in a '67 pace car they won't mind!;)

Not for Start of Regular Production. Probably added later.

I don't know - they list other options that are due for December 2009, but not the hud. I'd bet that GM sees it as too much of a luxury option to belong on a Camaro, especially since they don't know how well the car will do in the current automotive market.

Maybe that's why the Ignition video is getting retooled - they might've thought HUD would work initially and even if delayed was still worth highlighting. But now that they're spending the money on a new video you really have to wonder if maybe they just decided to not do a hud at all. :(

I'd be extremely surprised if HUD wasn't still in the works. They know it is high on everyone's list.

color of the stripes doesnt matter to me anymore.im probably going straight to a VERY good body shop to get the stripes painted on.then cleared over.maybe ghost stripes .depends on what color i go with.

Sounds like no hud at all at this point. :(

:(

I do hope it's just still being worked on or maybe it'll be an option later on in the production years. They gotta leave some stuff to upgrade Iguess

Wait a second... No spare on the SS???? I know the donut is practically useless, but at least you are completely stranded.

Wait a second... No spare on the SS???? I know the donut is practically useless, but at least you are completely stranded.

It comes with a can of fix-a-flat and an air compressor instead. Saves weight, space, and cost. Get a AAA membership and be glad GM went the extra mile to reduce weight where they could.

It comes with a can of fix-a-flat and an air compressor instead. Saves weight, space, and cost. Get a AAA membership and be glad GM went the extra mile to reduce weight where they could.

Tho dont the fix-a-flat liquids basically destroy the tire because even if you then get it patched up the liquid on the inside of the tire renders it useless because it unbalances the tire?

Does somebody have this in a full color pdf file or something, I'd like to print it and make my own booklet

Tho dont the fix-a-flat liquids basically destroy the tire because even if you then get it patched up the liquid on the inside of the tire renders it useless because it unbalances the tire?

Not quite.
The Fix-A-Flat kind of softens the inside of the tire so that it flows around the puncture, thus sealing it (if it's small enough).
That softened inner layer prevents a patch from sticking to the inside of the tire, thereby rendering the tire unrepareable.

Unless you can find someone to plug the tire. But I think most garages won't do that anymore.

Does somebody have this in a full color pdf file or something, I'd like to print it and make my own booklet


Ummmm.......psssst......(see post #1 of this thread).

I got this on the day of the IDL broadcast.....I wasn't about to post any of the info in it though..... ;)

I got this on the day of the IDL broadcast.....I wasn't about to post any of the info in it though..... ;)

why not?

Wait a second... No spare on the SS???? I know the donut is practically useless, but at least you are completely stranded.

maybe thats a hint at a possible run-flat option for the tires

Tho dont the fix-a-flat liquids basically destroy the tire because even if you then get it patched up the liquid on the inside of the tire renders it useless because it unbalances the tire?

I'm an Mercedes-Benz Master Tech. (yeah I know, don't knock the brand they know how to make their cars. Oh yeah they are heavy and btw they can out handle most cars on the road!) But your right, in the very rare instance that you get the patch to seal, which is about never because that stuff destroy's the inside of the tire making it impossible to prep. It will NEVER balance out. Also we never plug, its very rare to find anyone who does anymore because you don't know what the inside of the tire looks like. You don't want to plug it, send the customer on their merry old way and then have a structural failure of the tire. Its not good, people start throwing around words like law suite.

Not quite.
The Fix-A-Flat kind of softens the inside of the tire so that it flows around the puncture, thus sealing it (if it's small enough).
That softened inner layer prevents a patch from sticking to the inside of the tire, thereby rendering the tire unrepareable.

Unless you can find someone to plug the tire. But I think most garages won't do that anymore.

Exactly what I was saying. Didn't get that far down the page yet.

I am a big fan of haveing no spare tire. It save's a little weight. I just may be one of the lucky ones, but I haven't had a flat in 8 years. Its a good thing to becuase there was never a spare in my '84 Trans Am, and yeah someone took it out of my '98 also.