Frontal shot of new Camaro......

.......is now up!!! .......

www.chevynation.com -- then click on Chevy Club house -- then click on the Silver Camaro -- then click on Camaro Connection -- then click on Camaro revealed -- frontal shot is at bottom..............

or www.gmblogs.com

http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/images/camaro_front2.jpg

But check out the links Scott provided above for more info!

im giddy! lol

Finally something posted on that site before its everywhere else on the net. :)

Is that front facia ram air opening functional? Or is it just a moulding? Just want to know if I should go out an buy a sawzall or not. :D

http://www.chevynation.com/assets/content/clubhouse/images/800x600_camaro_revealed_2.jpg

Thank God they warned us about the lights! :D

Woo-Hoo! Thanks so much for the pics Scott!!!

Now, where do I sign?
And when I it be delivered?
:D

I'm ok with the front end. I need a better pic of the lights but I think they might look better than the concept.

just think, theres even more refinement coming!

AWESOME !!! Every time I see something new, it's like Christmas all over again !!! :D

wrong headlamps -- pieces missing -- but you can see the new Camaro looks very much like the concept........

(read atwixt the lines....);)

I'm ok with the front end. I need a better pic of the lights but I think they might look better than the concept.

There's a reason we're not getting a good look at the nose yet. From GM Fastlane blog...

The new Camro is quickly evolving into final form, but some of the details you see here (such as the headlamp design) may change before production begins this year.

Overall, I must say that I like it. :thumb: Since we've all seen the concept and spy pics so many times, I can't get super excited over it, but I think it looks very much like the concept. The original pictures were misleading.

I may be changing my mind for the sports car that I will be buying in a couple of years. I may not go the route of a used C6, as I was originally planning, but rather go with a new Camaro. :cool: I'm going to wait and see what kind of performance it offers...

I'm willing to bet that a lot of people that complain about it now will still have one in their garage...myself included. :p

don't do anything with the front end, it looks fine, actually I like it.

at least my biggest complain about the concept (the grille) has evolved into something I like.

now, about that interior. :lol:

I LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT! It looks BETTER than that concept!

Awesome. I'm so glad to see more proof of how close the car is staying to the concept! This will be my next new car :bow:

This is going to be and in fact is a VERY nice car.Some things people will like some thing people won't like.This is nothing new.If you like you buy,If you don't like you don't buy.It's that simple.:)

Hey, why isn't the hood scoop open? :p

wrong headlamps -- pieces missing -- but you can see the new Camaro looks very much like the concept........

(read atwixt the lines....);)

Thanks for posting this, Scott. Maybe people won't get too worked up over the headlights. And such a nice tease (but I can't say I've ever actually see atwixt used outside of a literature class :)

I just hope this means a single headlight bulb (or cluster) versus two.....well.....I also hope this means the amber turn signals are on the outside......and.......I also hope this means HID........hmmmm kind of a lot of reading for a couple of lines..... :)

I know that some headlight pieces are missing but I liked the concept's better,not these dual ones....or are those just mock ups to have some light.

Absolutely STUNNING! :)

Could someone PLEASE photoshop the new pic with this color (I really need to learn how to do that someday!)

Thanks so much!

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/4/1/5/f_preProrr1orm_c33418c.jpg

or are those just mock ups to have some light.

that's what I'm thinking. headlight assembly may not be finalized, but tbey needed something there as far as high/low beams go. but I also could be flat out wrong :D

^They look like fog lights from autozone???

http://www.chevynation.com/assets/content/clubhouse/images/800x600_camaro_revealed_2.jpg[/QUOTE]



Damn.....that thing is gorgeous!








:D

i like the headlights.:shrug: makes it look less retro.

^They look like fog lights from autozone???

I believe you've hit the nail on the head.

Fantastic. Love it! Can't wait to see it evolve to the production car come October time.

I love it. Great job Scott and team. A home run.

I'll do some bad photoshopping tonight after dog sledding if Rampant is busy.

nice....me likey.

NO GOLD BOWTIE!!! Hopefully it stays off.

Is it me or is the cowl induction looking hood a bit higher than the concept. If so I like it! I'm surprised that GM kept the "air duct" in the upper front fascia. I thought that was a cool design feature of the concept but thought that for production it would get lost in the mix.

GM has done well to keep this car very close to the concept.

Also looking at the headlight area there. The black plastic piece holding the two lights now is the same shape as the concept headlight area. So once the headlight is ready and they can get rid of that plastic two light asm, the new headlight will fit right in with where the concept headlight was.

I hope it's a cross between the Bumblebee's standard headlight and the concept's halo LED. If GM could call up the same supplier as the one on the Buick Enclave we would be in serious business!

nice....me likey.

NO GOLD BOWTIE!!! Hopefully it stays off.

Dealer: Hmmm, what's this, GBD rpo option?
GM Dealer Contact: Oh that? that's the option code for getting the Gold Bowtie Deleted, GBD, simple enough, ay.
Dealer: Why would anyone want one without the Gold Bowtie?
GM Dealer Contact: Because they don't like their new camaro to remind them of Chevrolet trucks.
Dealer: What?
GM Dealer Contact: Because the Bowtie is too distracting from the rest of the car.
Dealer: You mean it looks too good?
GM Dealer Contact: ....Yes.

Could someone PLEASE photoshop the new pic with this color (I really need to learn how to do that someday!)


http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5103647#post5103647

Thanks so much! :bow:

I think that little duct area in front of the hood needs to be black, wink wink Scott.... ;)

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/4/1/11/f_preProfr1orm_ef65e51.jpg

Hey, why isn't the hood scoop open? :p

i'm guessing, but i think with these pre production cars, they are just making the body pieces without cutting out those kind of holes.. and i assume this applies to the vents in front of the rear wheels as well

the fact that they arent open for testing leads me to assume that they won't really be functional anyway

i'm guessing, but i think with these pre production cars, they are just making the body pieces without cutting out those kind of holes.. and i assume this applies to the vents in front of the rear wheels as well

the fact that they arent open for testing leads me to assume that they won't really be functional anyway

Could be a V-6 ;)

Something else I noticed... people (including me) were assuming this car was a V-6... but it appears to have dual exhaust.... either V-6's will have duals (very cool) or this baby is a V-8 sans spoiler?

Ok Scott you just made my day!!!! The front end looks amazing and if i dare to say looks better than the concept!!! I like the dual headlights, hope they stay. THANK YOU!!!! now would someone PLEASE photo shop that in Atomic Orange!!!! :) Damn its a good time to be alive!

HOLY S@#$!!! Looks GREAT!!! Awesome job everyone at GM, you've nailed it! :bow: Only thing I wouldn't mind seeing change is the headlights and the front scoop like the concept or not appear at all. But if neither happens it's sure as hell not a deal-killer for me. Man, I'm ready to see these hit the streets and I'm ready to get into one!

Im liking it :) now if only we can get a photo with someone standing verticly beside it so I can guess a measure ment on tallness, that thing looks awesom though from this angle. From me compareing what im guessing the rim size is, and stacking them I think its height is just fine though :)

nice....me likey.

NO GOLD BOWTIE!!! Hopefully it stays off.

I think (at least until Scott comes and whacks me with something) that it will probably be there in production. This car doesn't have any badges - no bowtie front or rear and no Camaro on the sides. I find it unlikely that it will be this clean. Would love to see a Tri-Shield somewhere, but not betting on it.

I'd love to see a functional hood scoop (at least on some models) but I don't think the fender gills will be open.

Just want to know if I should go out an buy a sawzall or not. :D

Every man should own a Sawzall.

Actually, Makita's saw is nicer. So long as you own a reciprocating saw, you're good. Could be a Ryobi for all I care. :)

Awesome car! As stated above, this will be my next car! A lot of time left for refinement of this work of art but so far the details and lines are great. LeMans Blue with Dover White stripes... I will take two please :D

Very nice! :cool:

^They look like fog lights from autozone???

dingdingdingdingding-- we have a winnah!!!!!


all the lamps you see are essentially velcro'd and hot glued in place -- -- so we can continue to drive 'em at night............

dingdingdingdingding-- we have a winnah!!!!!


all the lamps you see are essentially velcro'd and hot glued in place -- -- so we can continue to drive 'em at night............


I always wondered why you didnt just do most of the testing at night? with the camo and the darkness it would be impossible to even tell what kind of car it was....

dingdingdingdingding-- we have a winnah!!!!!




What??? I won a bumble bee special edition car! :bow: OMG!!! I'm going to have a heart attack :eek: :lol:


all the lamps you see are essentially velcro'd and hot glued in place -- -- so we can continue to drive 'em at night............

I wouldn't let the media know that, GM quality is going down again!!! :think: (you know how they are!)

wow that angle looks pretty good. its still has the edgey lines. good job gm.

I always wondered why you didnt just do most of the testing at night? with the camo and the darkness it would be impossible to even tell what kind of car it was....

but but but... it's cold/colder at night, even in other countries ;)

That grille looks a million times better than the concept's. It looks clean and sleek.

I think it's great that GM is sharing all of this stuff with us. I can't think of any other automaker, or any other car, getting this much attention from the community and GM letting us in on what they're doing. We're right there, every step of the way.

I'm really concerned about the A pillar width....other than that it's an out of the park home run!!!!!!

Scott,

Tell the team we said "Way to Go!"

Wonder which dealbreaker club will spawn from the release of this picture? :rolleyes: :D

Everybody come visit my forums so I can increase my advertising fees in order to make payments on one of these!!!!

love the whole package, front, back, interior!

cant wait to see them on the road.

congrats on your achievement, you should be very proud!

Loving the new grill, even though I didn't think the concept's was bad, this is 10x better. I can't wait to see it with the correct lamps in electron blue, with silver stripes. ;)

I'm really concerned about the A pillar width....other than that it's an out of the park home run!!!!!!
That A pillar is kind of big. But it doesn't seem like a negative to me. I used to enjoy having some color on the A pillar on my 3gens, and the black 'invisible' A pillar was a little of a drawback on the 4gens I've had. I think the prominent 2010 A pillar helps accentuate the car's low, chopped look which gives it a custom flavor. It also might be needed for helping the car have world-class crashworthiness - who knows. I can surely see where you're coming from on your comment - but doesn't seem like a biggie at least to me.

I'm really concerned about the A pillar width....other than that it's an out of the park home run!!!!!!

I presume you mean that it's too thick. Doesn't seem that big to me. What did you have in mind? (post a pic of a car with a better a-pillar, or edit this pic with photoshop or something)

So the slit won't be functional?

wrong headlamps -- pieces missing -- but you can see the new Camaro looks very much like the concept........

(read atwixt the lines....);)

Scott, does that mean you are keeping the halos from the concept? So I can run the parking lamps pre-dusk and pull up behind some poor unsuspecting sap driving 50 in the left lane (otherwise known as a left lane lewie) and just stare into his rear view mirror with those beautifully sinnister halos???? (please please please please please please please please please please please please etc.....) :D

I assume the A-pillar width is due in part to side impact requirements, something that was a flaw of the 4th gens.

I presume you mean that it's too thick. Doesn't seem that big to me. What did you have in mind? (post a pic of a car with a better a-pillar, or edit this pic with photoshop or something)

My brother has a newer Dodge Durango and that A pillar is seriously fat! It bugs me to drive it....

I know that air bag placement dictates it's size......but I like them thin...just likes me women......... ;)

I assume the A-pillar width is due in part to side impact requirements, something that was a flaw of the 4th gens.


Rollover.

Rollover.Were you talking to me or my lab? <<<<

:D

btw... thanks for the correction. ;)

EXCELLENT JOB GM. Now we basically see what the car is going to look like, what is next to look forward to untill the release of this bad boy on the street. Maybe the interior? Also, the front grill looks SO AWESOME, but doesn't the grill kinda look like the grill from the "SALEEN SPECULATION PHOTOSHOP" thread. :)

So since the car isn't camo'ed anymore, would this be considered "Full Frontal Nudity"? :D

So since the car isn't camo'ed anymore, would this be considered "Full Frontal Nudity"? :D

Yes but it will look better once it puts its make up...err...face on and gets all dolled up. :p

I'm really concerned about the A pillar width....other than that it's an out of the park home run!!!!!!

Just right for mounting the Spotlights that I will need for my Camaro. :D

Plus the test cars being white helps me to invision what it will look like with the Decals and Light Bar.

This picture just brought back all the excitement that I had been missing as of late!! As others have mentioned (and I may have missed the previous discussions) is there any word on whether the "gills" and front intake will be functional? I hope, for the love of God, that GM doesn't take the Mustang route on us.

I guess I'll just continue to "keep the faith" in Scott and the team!

Woohoo!! That is sex on wheels! I am impressed at how close they are staying to the concept with this car. I love everything about it! A special thank you to Scott and the rest of the Camaro design team!!!!

I didn't think it was possible for me to be even more happy than I was before as I didn't have any complaints to begin with. Now I am ready plop my money down and drive off the lot.

Only big difference I see is the brake cooling ducts are gone but if this is the V6 model there may be a slightly different V8 bodywork. Absolutely amazing job on the part of the whole GM team keeping this car true to the concept. In fact i think this car is more true to it's concept than the Solstice was to it's. Again, fantastic job guys. Big pat on the back. Scott ain't lying when he says keep the faith. :)

Attention naysayers. Please leave foot in mouth until official release of the 5th gen.:p

Still hoping for bi-xenon headlamps...

Questions

1) What is the actual story with regard to the air inlet indentation? Will the lesser models have these indentations? Is the opening just for show even when it has a grill covering?

2) If that air inlet is for real, why put it there? This has bothered me from the concept. If you want high pressure air, that's not the place for it. In fact that is going to be a low pressure area. A better place would be at the cowl (not feasible I know) or above but inside the radiator opening. In other words have the air inlet open down and inside to the above / front of the radiator. Plenty of cold high pressure air there.

3) Why is the fuel filler apparently on the passenger side?


I've been wondering about these things and would appreciate any real insight (*cough*Scott*cough* :)). Not looking for speculation or a war of opinions with this one.

I'm guessing as the production drivetrain is probably not ready, they haven't hooked the air inlet up yet.

I'm guessing

Not looking for speculation

;):p

;):pOk... I confess... I didn't your whole post. :p ;)

Note to the photoshop people: See if you can lift the concept Camaros headlights onto this preproduction car and then darken in the ram air opening.

Scott ain't lying when he says keep the faith. :)

Attention naysayers. Please leave foot in mouth until official release of the 5th gen.:p

THANK YOU -- I couldn't have said it better myself!!!


(I'm cooking up some words and servin' 'em up HOT.......)

wrong headlamps -- pieces missing -- but you can see the new Camaro looks very much like the concept........

(read atwixt the lines....);)

That's too bad, those headlamps look pretty cool just the way they are :shrug: I like all the black on the front :cool:

man you people can say what you want, that is one of the most amazing looking cars i've ever seen! :metal: :bow:

i can NOT wait to see these things on the road! :D

Thats bad ass!

The thing to remember too is the white is killing the angles of the car. So when you 'chop a white image, the dullness of the white cant be improvised. So the color chops will only be half as spectacular as the car will actually be in black/blue/red ...

Questions
3) Why is the fuel filler apparently on the passenger side?
The assumption so far has been that since the chassis design originated in Australia where cars are right hand drive the fuel filler is also on that side.

None of the mules appear to have one under the tight covers on the pass. side either though.

dingdingdingdingding-- we have a winnah!!!!!


all the lamps you see are essentially velcro'd and hot glued in place -- -- so we can continue to drive 'em at night............


Just make sure they are solid on the end product. My 04 Comp G GTP headlights bounced so much they would drive you crazy at night. Even with the TSB fix I still get a little bounce.

Hmmm Hot Glue???? I don;t think I have that but I do have some JB Weld the handy mans secret wepon!!! :lol: Would that be considered a factory approved method?

FYI:Mission Accomplished, the car looks great!

My guess (completely so) as to the reason the fuel filler is on the passenger side is this....

What side do you think they drive on in "the land down under"? I gather they will swap it to the "right" side on left-hand drive vehicles in America.

I think it looks pretty damn good!

:bow:

i'm so impressed it's not even funny. :bow: well done GM! :bow: the next 15 months are gonna be painful!

None of the mules appear to have one under the tight covers on the pass. side either though.

The test drivers can easily remove the camo to put gas in the car. It's not that hard. They are usually fueled on GM property anyway.

The only side we have not seen w/o camo is the passenger side. It's not my preferance to have it there but lots of cars do.

Just got home and fired up the laptop...DAMN:D:cool:

Yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sniff, sniff, I'm actualy crying, tears of joy. Now if someone will do me the favor of photoshopping that baby in black, I can completely unleash in my pants. :bow:

Scott, any chance of HID headlamps in the production Camaro?

The only side we have not seen w/o camo is the passenger side. It's not my preferance to have it there but lots of cars do.
Agreed. My GTO had the filler on the right. It took a little getting used to, but no biggie after that. But I also agree with the observation that it makes it easier to avoid bashing a safety post or some such when you open your door to hop out and gas up.

Is it okay to post in this thread if you aren't having an orgasm?


I've been contemplating this picture for the past seven hours without posting about it.

So here goes....

I like the grill better than the concept. And this pic shows the nice suface developement of the quarter panel and lower rockers better than any previous pic.


But holy cow, this really looks like a chunky, hefty car with a really high cowl. Too high. And the hoodscoop only enhances that effect. It sorta looks like a coffin on the hood.

It's okay, but I'm not creamin' in my jeans over it like everyone else in this thread......so flame away.

Is it okay to post in this thread if you aren't having an orgasm?


I've been contemplating this picture for the past seven hours without posting about it.

So here goes....

I like the grill better than the concept. And this pic shows the nice suface developement of the quarter panel and lower rockers better than any previous pic.


But holy cow, this really looks like a chunky, hefty car with a really high cowl. Too high. And the hoodscoop only enhances that effect. It sorta looks like a coffin on the hood.

It's okay, but I'm not creamin' in my jeans over it like everyone else in this thread......so flame away.

then dont buy one...problem solved:D
Its ok to think the car looks great, I promise.

Did you ever see the concept in person? I thought it too looked huge in all the pictures until I saw it with my own eyes. We have seen it parked next to mustangs, and it looked smaller than them too.

[QUOTE=Z284ever;5104542] But holy cow, this really looks like a chunky, hefty car with a really high cowl. Too high. And the hoodscoop only enhances that effect. It sorta looks like a coffin on the hood.

[QUOTE]

Not flaming here, just pointing something out. That high cowl is the result of high safety standards. To attain 5 star ratings now, sleek, low, truly svelte lines are not possible. Now, GM could make it as low as they want, but it would sacrifice safety ratings. For cars like a Lamborghini Murcielago, low slung lines and minimal skin is okay because a one star side imact rating is feasable because anyone who can and is buying a car like that could care less about safety.

But the Camaro is going to be a mass market.

Look at the new Malibu. G8. CTS. They all have high sight lines, front, and rear ends.

WHY WHY WHY????????? PLEASE Change the headlights back, i dont like it. I love the concept.

WHY WHY WHY????????? PLEASE Change the headlights back, i dont like it. I love the concept.

....

wrong headlamps -- pieces missing -- but you can see the new Camaro looks very much like the concept........

(read atwixt the lines....);)

From GM Fastlane blog...

The new Camro is quickly evolving into final form, but some of the details you see here (such as the headlamp design) may change before production begins this year.

all the lamps you see are essentially velcro'd and hot glued in place -- -- so we can continue to drive 'em at night............

Two words: Reading comprehension.

Beautiful. From everything I've seen so far of the preproduction model, it's actually BETTER looking than the concept. (IMO at least.)

Irregardless of what others might think about white, it is definitely my #1 choice when ordering my 5th Gen. I think it's looks amazing in white.

Is it okay to post in this thread if you aren't having an orgasm?


I've been contemplating this picture for the past seven hours without posting about it.

So here goes....

I like the grill better than the concept. And this pic shows the nice suface developement of the quarter panel and lower rockers better than any previous pic.


But holy cow, this really looks like a chunky, hefty car with a really high cowl. Too high. And the hoodscoop only enhances that effect. It sorta looks like a coffin on the hood.

It's okay, but I'm not creamin' in my jeans over it like everyone else in this thread......so flame away.

It IS a hefty car!

It weighs about 9 thousand pounds because none of us want it to succeed.

We want it to die.

so there.

:p

(sorry - I've been up for way too long and I'm jetlagged to boot.......)

Let me ask you this: is there ANYTHING you like about this car?



Gotta tell ya -- I'm happy with what I'm reading on most of the sites -- including this one!

This is not a word.


Irregardless

However, I really like the purple bowtie.

Gotta tell ya -- I'm happy with what I'm reading on most of the sites -- including this one!

I'm glad to hear that! I would hate to think the negative folks were skewing development away from an awesome concept.:leaving:

I keep looking at that white car, but what I see when I squint isn't a 5th gen. What I see is a certain '68 SS convertible with just the right amount of black panels and trim. I watched that car almost daily for several decades: I knew when it was out and about, where it hid when it was stashed away, and when it got stuffed in the back of the garage for about a decade. That car always captured my attention - even though I don't care for white cars generally. The car had a balance in its look that made white work very well.

This new one strikes me the same way.

It IS a hefty car!

It weighs about 9 thousand pounds because none of us want it to succeed.

We want it to die.

so there.

:p

(sorry - I've been up for way too long and I'm jetlagged to boot.......)

Let me ask you this: is there ANYTHING you like about this car?



Gotta tell ya -- I'm happy with what I'm reading on most of the sites -- including this one!

Personally Scott, I love everything that I have seen so far, except, the back-up light location......but this is the first time I have posted it. This car is as close to the concept as I think it could have been from a production standpoint. I'm no mathematician, but I think from the three Camaro forums I frequent, it's about 95+% positive on the car........you yourself had posted some time back that some things had changed that you were not happy about, but from the realistic point of view, there are always things that will have to change from a roadworthy, reliable and safety aspects on a vehicle concept. Do we all have to agree or like them? No, of course not. This car is gonna do well and as a current 68 owner, previous 91 owner and a future 2010 owner, thanks to you and the rest of the team for bringing the car that most of us want back to our hearts and garages, and most importantly, the road!! The ZR1 might be the King, but the new Prince is hopefully gonna be pounding on the throne...........

But holy cow, this really looks like a chunky, hefty car with a really high cowl. Too high. And the hoodscoop only enhances that effect. It sorta looks like a coffin on the hood.

It's okay, but I'm not creamin' in my jeans over it like everyone else in this thread......so flame away.

Wow, we actually made it to 7 pages and 92 replies before the girth of the car is questioned. GM can't please everyone and it seems that no matter what is done...you can not be pleased at all.

Scott, I must say you guys are really doing an excellent job with the new Camaro! Thanks for working so hard on it and turning such an awesome concept into reality. I can't wait to see them on the street.

And I have a feeling the production model will look really good in white.

Okay, it is time for me to spill the beans.

As many of you know, Scott and I have meetings once in a while to talk about things, and if you know that then you also know that I am very tight lipped about things as I am only as good as my word.

However, I feel I also owe it to you, my site community members, some important information about the car that I was sworn to secrecy not to reveal. This information may very well immediately dissolve my partnership with Chevrolet, the Camaro team, and my friendship with Scott.

Here goes...taking a deep breath....

Even though it has been repeated by many people in GM many times that weight is a definite concern for this car...the truth of the matter is...the 2010 Camaro will weigh just a tad over what an average military tank does. We are talking dry weight and without ammunition, of course.

Yes, my friends...it will weigh several tons and we will all need to carry a map of roads that we can drive it on without cracking the pavement. Say goodbye to performance and economy, that is not what this new generation Camaro is all about.

It will also be 10 feet tall and 22 feet wide, not including the standard curb feelers.

Everyone happy now?

Please forgive me Scott, Cheryl and John.

;)

then dont buy one...problem solved:D
Its ok to think the car looks great, I promise.

Did you ever see the concept in person? I thought it too looked huge in all the pictures until I saw it with my own eyes. We have seen it parked next to mustangs, and it looked smaller than them too.

You see......this is what I don't get.....Charlie was THERE at the unveiling....I have the pictures!

http://www.indycamaro.com/images/chas.jpg

He stood right up against it...along with a thousand of the rest of us....so I don't get why less than an inch taller, a little narrower production car has him denying what he saw with his own two eyes...and he's an eye doctor to boot!?!!?!

I keep thinking that "someone" has given him certian dimensions (however wrong they might be) and now he's convinced himself that what he SAW isn't what he wants to see now.

Personally, I think driving that POS BMW has him all confused on what he believes... j/k ;)

Giggity Gigitty Gigitty GOOO!!!!11!!! :bow: :drool: :cool: :bow: :drool: :shock:

I"M IN LOVE!!!!! :cz28:

As far as the weight, I guess I'll have to live with it..

:lol: this thread is great in so many ways

You see......this is what I don't get.....Charlie was THERE at the unveiling....I have the pictures!

http://www.indycamaro.com/images/chas.jpg

He stood right up against it...along with a thousand of the rest of us....so I don't get why less than an inch taller, a little narrower production car has him denying what he saw with his own two eyes...and he's an eye doctor to boot!?!!?!

I keep thinking that "someone" has given him certian dimensions (however wrong they might be) and now he's convinced himself that what he SAW isn't what he wants to see now.

Personally, I think driving that POS BMW has him all confused on what he believes... j/k ;)which one is he?

Okay, it is time for me to spill the beans.

As many of you know, Scott and I have meetings once in a while to talk about things, and if you know that then you also know that I am very tight lipped about things as I am only as good as my word.

However, I feel I also owe it to you, my site community members, some important information about the car that I was sworn to secrecy not to reveal. This information may very well immediately dissolve my partnership with Chevrolet, the Camaro team, and my friendship with Scott.

Here goes...taking a deep breath....

Even though it has been repeated by many people in GM many times that weight is a definite concern for this car...the truth of the matter is...the 2010 Camaro will weigh just a tad over what an average military tank does. We are talking dry weight and without ammunition, of course.

Yes, my friends...it will weigh several tons and we will all need to carry a map of roads that we can drive it on without cracking the pavement. Say goodbye to performance and economy, that is not what this new generation Camaro is all about.

It will also be 10 feet tall and 22 feet wide, not including the standard curb feelers.

Everyone happy now?

Please forgive me Scott, Cheryl and John.

;)


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOooooooOOoooo's! :D:p


Pre-pro looks BETTER than the concept, consider me very impressed. I am still concerned about weight (I always am, on any car...just the way the industry has been going you know?) but Scott certainly was telling the truth about the looks. I can only assume he's telling the truth on weight. Count me among the eventual owners once I'm all finished up here with school (omg ALMOST DONE)

You see......this is what I don't get.....Charlie was THERE at the unveiling....I have the pictures!

http://www.indycamaro.com/images/chas.jpg

He stood right up against it...along with a thousand of the rest of us....so I don't get why less than an inch taller, a little narrower production car has him denying what he saw with his own two eyes...and he's an eye doctor to boot!?!!?!

I keep thinking that "someone" has given him certian dimensions (however wrong they might be) and now he's convinced himself that what he SAW isn't what he wants to see now.

Personally, I think driving that POS BMW has him all confused on what he believes... j/k ;)

Hey, I drive a CTS Doug!

which one is he?


Bonehead in the blue polo w/ the bowtie logo....bending OVER (as in lower than his vertically challenged noggin' height) to get a better look at it. :p:p:p:p

Let me ask you this: is there ANYTHING you like about this car?

Well, let's hope!

Bonehead in the blue polo w/ the bowtie logo....bending OVER (as in lower than his vertically challenged noggin' height) to get a better look at it. :p:p:p:ptoo bad as i want to know where the guy on his left got that shirt.

Bonehead in the blue polo w/ the bowtie logo....bending OVER (as in lower than his vertically challenged noggin' height) to get a better look at it. :p:p:p:p

None of you look like lookers. Except the guy in the upper right hand corner who looks, and poses like a soap star. :think:

None of you look like lookers. Except the guy in the upper right hand corner who looks, and poses like a soap star. :think:

I'm sure that Doug MUST have a better picture of me. :lol:

I've quickly scanned the comments on this thread.

Agree the grille looks nice. Someone mentioned the bowtie should stay off. I can't agree or disagree on that one... but I must say the car looks good without the bowtie. More sinister, if you will.

The thick A-pillars are a criticism of many here in regards to the VE. The 'good' news is that Holden have publicly admitted a redesign might take place. So I assume the change will also apply to Camaro IFF the redesign goes ahead. Sorry, I'm not an insider so I can't be any more committal other than what I've read in the media.

As others have said, great work by all concerned. You should be proud of your work. The car is georgeous even in white!

I'm sure that Doug MUST have a better picture of me. :lol:


Look!! You're danged near lying on the ground just to see into it!!

http://www.indycamaro.com/images/chas1.jpg

Here's a crew of knuckleheads....

http://www.indycamaro.com/images/GuyChas.jpg

Look!! You're danged near lying on the ground just to see into it!!

http://www.indycamaro.com/images/chas1.jpg

In fact, I was underneath it. I had my whole body under the back while CLEAN and poSSum were standing over me and Lutz was answering question at the front.

I'm pretty sure we were the first "civilians" to verify that the concept had a Sigma rear and Flowmasters.

Ram air and Camaro doesnt sound right. Isnt that a Pontiac trademark?

Ram air and Camaro doesnt sound right. Isnt that a Pontiac trademark?

http://speed-eng.com/store/images/projects/silvercamaro04.jpg

:confused:

Love it, looks exactly like the concept.
It has thick a pillars, but I think the white really makes it look bigger then it is...i hope. I think that is what gives it the "chunky" look. All cars have these massive A pillars, guess we gotta get used to it.

I only have a question about the lighting IN the grill there. Just inside the headlights, it looks like there are amber lights just on the outer edge of the grill, just to the inside of the headlight set up. Is that just something cobbled up, or is that part of the grill?

And no one got a picture of me at Detroit. I had to tend to my PITA (now ex)gf.

(sorry - I've been up for way too long and I'm jetlagged to boot.......)

Let me ask you this: is there ANYTHING you like about this car?
It's name.;);):p:p

(joking, Charlie:p) I hope there's something you like about it.

If Z28 is a base V8, I think that Charlie might just sell all his GM stock....
Charlie, It has come to my attention that the more you keep talking about your Dream Camaro, the more I see a BMW 335i coupe in your future.

If Z28 is a base V8, I think that Charlie might just sell all his GM stock....
Charlie, It has come to my attention that the more you keep talking about your Dream Camaro, the more I see a BMW 335i coupe in your future.

You know Al, the 335i is such an awesome car in so many ways, but it just wouldn't be the same to me. Nor would a Corvette either.

Like I said, I've waited this long, I can wait abit longer before passing final judgement.

Im sure it wouldnt, but I know what you want in a Camaro, and I just dont think thats what we are gunna get.
Im sure GM would like to make a light weight pony car, similar to the 335, but with what they have I doubt that you will get what you wanted 100%. With that said, I have a feeling that this car, while right now looks big, will look smaller in real life, like the concept did.
I remember after NAIAS in 06, seeing tons of pictures of the car and saying "was it that big?" untill I saw it again in NY and saw how small it really was.
I also think that this car will handle and ride great, giving it a smaller feel.

Am I the only one that thinks the windshield is just a few inches too tall? I think it would look much better if the top of the windshield was the same height as the side windows. Of course this could just be something that can't be changed to to crash ratings and such. Not by any means something worth complaining about, just an observation. Other than that I am sure I smile as much as Scott does everytime I see it. :bow:

And I'm still excited. It's gonna be tough to wait for the Convertible or the top of the line once I see people driving around in them.

I see what Charlie's saying about the nose looking big BUT, I think we're looking at some more optical distortion by the lens, kinda like looking at your face in a spoon, just a lot less obvious.

The Grille is MUCH better!...:bow:

I know the headlights are temps but, size is on the small side, if they're trying to get a feel for'em...;)

A pillar, a little wide but again could be the photo...:shrug:

All in All this thing looks mean!..:cool:

And the chops of dark blue and crystal red...:drool:

Loving that grille, looks better than the concept's. Overall the front view looks awesome, damn near identical to the concept. Im also hoping however that the front scoop eventually does become functional though. I dont want to see any cheeseball SN95 fake scoop crap. Also some black plastic trim would really dress it up and blend it well with the grille.

Disclaimer: I do know this is an unfinished product, just saying :p. Overall I'd say its coming along very nice!

Ive tried to match the best picture of the concept to this picture


http://www.chevynation.com/assets/content/clubhouse/images/800x600_camaro_revealed_2.jpg

http://www.sportscarcup.com/cars/chevrolet-camaro-concept-picture.jpg


Not too much of a difference

regardless of what others might think about white, it is definitely my #1 choice when ordering my 5th Gen. I think it's looks amazing in white.

I agree. Some black wheels and tinted windows and this thing would look absolutely incredible.

Thanks for posting this, Scott. Maybe people won't get too worked up over the headlights. And such a nice tease (but I can't say I've ever actually see atwixt used outside of a literature class :)

I just hope this means a single headlight bulb (or cluster) versus two.....well.....I also hope this means the amber turn signals are on the outside......and.......I also hope this means HID........hmmmm kind of a lot of reading for a couple of lines..... :)
I was wondering about the headlights too, although I did notice FBF's comments and the disclaimer on the photo released by GM. I was also reading responses in a similar thread over on 5thgen.org where I am also a member (nice site BTW!), at http://www.5thgen.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4209 where FBF said:

repeat after me:

".......it is a preproduction car -- the headlamps are not real -- we essentially grabbed 'em off the shelf and hot-glued 'em in so we can continue testing......it will have headlamps that look amazingly like the concept......"

.......also - forget spoiler -- they aren't ready yet..................in due time, my friends...in due time.
I used to take off my 05 GTO's spoiler sometimes and drive around without it. The car looked nice either way. Looks to me like the new Camaro will be the same way :bow:
But holy cow, this really looks like a chunky, hefty car with a really high cowl. Too high. And the hoodscoop only enhances that effect. It sorta looks like a coffin on the hood.
It SHOULD remind all Mustang and import car owners of death. Adds to the intimidation factor when they pull up next to you at a dragstrip :devil:

Seriously. The 'high cowl' IMAO, just adds to the muscular, 'pumped up on steroids' look that is part of a good muscle car's mystique. Chunkiness - I can see how folks used to seeing pointed noses on the 4gens for so long might say that. But I believe one reason why others keep bringing up "wait and see it in person" is, the front on this car is prominently pointed but more from the top view. So when you walk around it you will likely not notice much 'chunkiness'. One thing I do like about the design, related to this... the new car eliminates the extreme front and rear overhangs of the 4gen. That enhances handling, space utilization, and makes the car look more modern and classy.

Am I the only one that thinks the windshield is just a few inches too tall? I think it would look much better if the top of the windshield was the same height as the side windows. Of course this could just be something that can't be changed to to crash ratings and such. Not by any means something worth complaining about, just an observation. Other than that I am sure I smile as much as Scott does everytime I see it.
It appears the prepro car pictured, does not have that tinted strip at the top of the windshield. I'd imagine that would not be the case for any production cars, since it seems just about every car has AC nowadays and carmakers tend to always have one with the other. So it will likely look more harmonious with the tint strip, at least on darker colors. But as for me, actually I hadn't really even noticed until you mentioned it. It might be a function of the picture angle too, since for example if you walked up to the car you'd be taller and it would be less prominent.

Finally something posted on that site before its everywhere else on the net. :)

Is that front facia ram air opening functional? Or is it just a moulding? Just want to know if I should go out an buy a sawzall or not. :D

http://www.chevynation.com/assets/content/clubhouse/images/800x600_camaro_revealed_2.jpg

Hey I just noticed, this must be the Florida edition, just noticed the standard Love Bugs squished on the front bumper. :D

The lip at the bottom of the front bumper gives the pre-prod a more aggressive look. Me likey. It complements the redesigned rear bumper nicely.

The more I compare the images together, the more I like the pre-prod, which to me (as others have noted) looks slightly taller and narrower.

All good. Keep the pics coming, GM, especially the interior pics as details are finalised! :D

I like the look of the "higher" cowl.

I would prefer to have the bowtie on the grille - though otherwise prefer the pre-production grill over the concept.

Not sure what the point of the "faux" intake in front of the hood is - though perhaps that isn't what it really is.

Ram-air: Nothing but a marketing gimmick anyway.

And now the obligatory heft statement: 335i was mentioned...tis no lightweight either, at ~3600 lbs.

Bob

I like the look of the "higher" cowl.

I would prefer to have the bowtie on the grille - though otherwise prefer the pre-production grill over the concept.

Not sure what the point of the "faux" intake in front of the hood is - though perhaps that isn't what it really is.
Bob

Agree about the Bowtie on the grill. Even if they don't, the way it is designed I bet there will be a huge offering of Aftermarket grills. It'll be exciting to see what they can come up with.

I'm guessing that the "faux" intake will probably be "open", otherwise what's the point. Ram air is a marketing gimmick (but it does excite the masses); but it would be a good spot for cold air I guess.

There is a 'divit' in the grille for the emblem...if you zoom in....

It IS a hefty car!

It weighs about 9 thousand pounds because none of us want it to succeed.

We want it to die.

so there.

:p

(sorry - I've been up for way too long and I'm jetlagged to boot.......)

Let me ask you this: is there ANYTHING you like about this car?



Gotta tell ya -- I'm happy with what I'm reading on most of the sites -- including this one!

I have avoided commenting about the pix, be they spyshots or GM released preprods. I have learned that listening more than talking gives me a better perspective.

I would like to share some of what I believe to be reality which will hold up as time goes on.

I have had the privelage to talk to lots and lots of folks with the concept cars present. I'm talking thousands of people, literally.

The truth is there's been overwhelming positive reaction to the return of Camaro and there's a vast number of intenders < those that intend to BUY the new Camaro > who are vocally adamant that the production car will be theirs if it stays true to the look of the concepts.

Well, the production car is true to the concepts design statement. There's no huge changes here. In my opinion there have been improvements but all are very subtle and not fundamental whatsoever.

The concept is a looker and so it the preprod.

I have owned every generation of the Camaro, and loved them all as they were what I like... a personal sport coupe, all of them special and easy for me to connect with. I see the coming Camaro as the same kind of personal sport coupe. I look at the pix and can truthfully say " Man! That's a car I could have a lot of good times in! "

I know the folks working on the engines and handling of the new car and I'm very excited about what's coming. VERY EXCITED.

I think what has been shown requires no apologies.

I believe many folks will buy the Camaro once it's here and will be rightfully thrilled with the car GM has offered, and that they will personalize it to make it all their own... some will think it's perfect as it rolls off the showroom floor. That's how Camaros are.

I know some folks will opt not to buy the Camaro when it's available. I hate to see folks deprive themselves, but what can you do?;)

Wow the front end look fantastic , save for the parts store lights .

Heres my crack at a photoshop of the concept . Still hoping projectors and the halo rings make it to the production car .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/9502transam/800x600_camaro_revealed_2copy.jpg

Heres one with a bowtie .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/9502transam/800x600_camaro_revealed_2copycamaro.jpg

Count me in as liking it. Although I still prefer the concepts' halo headlights, turn signal placements and grill it's not that major of an issue for me as the overall look of the front.

Also add me in for the gold bow-tie on the grill and for working front "ram-air". (even if it is a gimmick :D )

I like the look of the "higher" cowl.

I would prefer to have the bowtie on the grille - though otherwise prefer the pre-production grill over the concept.

Not sure what the point of the "faux" intake in front of the hood is - though perhaps that isn't what it really is.

Ram-air: Nothing but a marketing gimmick anyway.

And now the obligatory heft statement: 335i was mentioned...tis no lightweight either, at ~3600 lbs.

Bob


I am sure you will see a Bow Tie [Scott:"Parts Missing"] in the grill on the base car but I would not be too suprised to see a Chrome SS in the center of the grill on the V8 car. Keep in mind when we play hard we losen our collar and don't wear Bow Ties.

The scoop is part of the new Chevy with the Z06 and ZR-1 both sporting openings on the nose. It may not have much ram but it is cold clean air vs pulling up behind a head light and radiator support.

If they can control the drive by noise and improve the flow restriction going in it can make a resonable increase in performance.

I am truely impressed at how close the Exterior is to the concept. There always seems to something lost in translation from concept to production. I only see minor differences. So far, I think this is the best conversion from concept to production that I have ever seen GM do. Excellent job GM!

The size does look a bit large. But it is really difficult to judge size and dimension from a 2-D photo, especially at this angle. Another thing that could be contributing to this illussion is the wheels. The wheels are tucked in under the fenders more than the concept was. This has a tendency to make the car look bigger. If you put on wider wheels or an offset that lines up better with the fenders (more like the concept) the proportions will look better.

Ive tried to match the best picture of the concept to this picture


http://www.chevynation.com/assets/content/clubhouse/images/800x600_camaro_revealed_2.jpg

http://www.sportscarcup.com/cars/chevrolet-camaro-concept-picture.jpg


Not too much of a difference

That's my desktop and the same picture I used to compare the new shot with. See what I mean about the brake ducts. Even the A-pillar doesn't look that far off. Very, very close to the concept.

Count me in for the "halo" lights and Bow tie, it looks much more at home on the new grille.

A small Camaro "red white & blue" emblem on the front edge of the hood, and possibly a couple of Camaro "over" Z/28(or other model) emblems done descretely on the fender just a head of the door, might look nice too...:cool:

The scoop is part of the new Chevy with the Z06 and ZR-1 both sporting openings on the nose. It may not have much ram but it is cold clean air vs pulling up behind a head light and radiator support.
"Cold air intake" (CAI) is certainly more proper than "ram air", though I understand the marketing by calling it the latter.

Of note, in my testing/data logging (obviously on other vehicles), I've found that CAI's typically don't reduce the IAT reading near the TB much at all. Perhaps a little, and perhaps under certain circumstances, but not across the board. Still....so long as the opening is actually open, I'm fine with it (personal opinion).

If they can control the drive by noise and improve the flow restriction going in it can make a resonable increase in performance.
Concur. IMHO, straightening out the airflow is the most important part.

Bob

"Cold air intake" (CAI) is certainly more proper than "ram air", though I understand the marketing by calling it the latter.

Of note, in my testing/data logging (obviously on other vehicles), I've found that CAI's typically don't reduce the IAT reading near the TB much at all. Perhaps a little, and perhaps under certain circumstances, but not across the board. Still....so long as the opening is actually open, I'm fine with it (personal opinion).


Concur. IMHO, straightening out the airflow is the most important part.

Bob

Right you are... to a great extent.

I got extra lucky at one point when I had the lucky pleasure of having the fellow that does many < maybe most > of the calibration work on V-8 motors for GM stop by my house for a look at my Z06 to review a couple of things I had noted in Florida heat and humidity. < GM has/had a test area a couple of hours from my house >

He came by in a "mule" and accompanied by a chase car/driver with telemetry goodies. < If I seem to be wandering, there is a point here.. >

IAT temps "rule the roost" when it comes to timing advance, air-fuel, etc.
< so does cat overtemp but that's for a different thread. > Nonetheless he showed me on the computer screen how it is.

CAI doesn't help much if the vehicle is static, such as sitting at a light/tree... however, even a cold air mod such as the last gen Corvette Z06 front fascia screens drop the temps at the IAT sensor temps much faster than if the screens were closed like the C5 coupe and 'vert.

I have found that the gold plated foil < think metallic contact paper > used in roadracing DOES retard IAT temps rising if the vehicle is at a static state as well as mitigating the heat transfer from the buildup of under hood temp transfer under roadraing conditions.

In conjunction with CAI/airflow smoothing mods, the timing retard and richening protections don't insinuate themselves nearly as much.

I use the stuff myself, which may be strictly anecdotal regarding what I have seen on the computer readouts, but I also have noted that every Corvette roadracing team I interface with use it as well. They don't agree on the pre-throttle body plumbing... but they all agree on this stuff.

As with many things, this might be an example of using multiple solutions to resolve one issue.

Ive tried to match the best picture of the concept to this picture


http://www.chevynation.com/assets/content/clubhouse/images/800x600_camaro_revealed_2.jpg

http://www.sportscarcup.com/cars/chevrolet-camaro-concept-picture.jpg


Not too much of a difference

Thank You! I dont completely agree though. I think the preproduction is ALOT better than the concept! Im definatly a 69 camaro guy. The Preproduction changes the braces grill the concept had for one more true to the 69 which is much better looking. It looks to me like the greenhouse was moved forward. Please tell me this doesnt put the engine back under the windsheild as this is a definate deal killer for me unless that engine is accessable after my 4th gen 3.8. Im sure its not. This seems to make the preproductions hood slightly shortened, and its trunk wich was an odd shape and tiny is now bigger and more realistic. A welcome change in looks to my eye and I hope trunk space. The black around the foglights give them depth. The concept was way too wide for me. It was also hard for me to judge it fairly with the goofy 21 and 22 inch wheels pushed into the fender wells. I think its width to hight ratio made it look odd. All of which hurt its proportions and look for me. One of my early complaints was it could use the 69s wheel well lines. The low door lines of the concept and preproduction give it its own charachter. Theyve changed my mind. especially since the 1st gens and early muscle cars body rolled under at the bottom. The newer cars go straight down. It gives somewhat of an appearnce of rolling under rather than being flat. I dont like the concepts parking lights in the grille as they hurt the blackout look of the headlights being pushed in. Seeing the front of this mule was an unexpected if only a temporary treat for me. I know its getting the concepts or better yet bumblebees headlinghts and parking lights. but this shows the possiblities of what could be. Maybe a proportionate headlight round or bumblebee headlight. Maybe a small dash blinker to the inside like the mule with a slightly larger dash to the outside of the headlights that idealy could go black when not on. Im not sure. I dont like to critize without offering an alternative but Im not sure I have one. Im hoping the camaro emblem doesnt make it to the exterior.

Please integrate that antenna into the back window, pass mirror or something. also can the gills be functional at all? If not theyre fine.

http://www.sportscarcup.com/cars/chevrolet-camaro-concept-picture.jpg
http://www.chevynation.com/assets/content/clubhouse/images/800x600_camaro_revealed_2.jpg
http://images.chevyhiperformance.com/eventcoverage/p160411_image_large.jpg

Looks great so far!!! They are really killing me with these pictures though - look here's a badass car you wont be able to buy for a few more years :D

Is that front facia ram air opening functional? Or is it just a moulding? Just want to know if I should go out an buy a sawzall or not. :D










:D:D:D

Right you are... to a great extent.

I got extra lucky at one point when I had the lucky pleasure of having the fellow that does many < maybe most > of the calibration work on V-8 motors for GM stop by my house for a look at my Z06 to review a couple of things I had noted in Florida heat and humidity. < GM has/had a test area a couple of hours from my house >

He came by in a "mule" and accompanied by a chase car/driver with telemetry goodies. < If I seem to be wandering, there is a point here.. >

IAT temps "rule the roost" when it comes to timing advance, air-fuel, etc.
< so does cat overtemp but that's for a different thread. > Nonetheless he showed me on the computer screen how it is.

CAI doesn't help much if the vehicle is static, such as sitting at a light/tree... however, even a cold air mod such as the last gen Corvette Z06 front fascia screens drop the temps at the IAT sensor temps much faster than if the screens were closed like the C5 coupe and 'vert.

I have found that the gold plated foil < think metallic contact paper > used in roadracing DOES retard IAT temps rising if the vehicle is at a static state as well as mitigating the heat transfer from the buildup of under hood temp transfer under roadraing conditions.

In conjunction with CAI/airflow smoothing mods, the timing retard and richening protections don't insinuate themselves nearly as much.

I use the stuff myself, which may be strictly anecdotal regarding what I have seen on the computer readouts, but I also have noted that every Corvette roadracing team I interface with use it as well. They don't agree on the pre-throttle body plumbing... but they all agree on this stuff.

As with many things, this might be an example of using multiple solutions to resolve one issue.

That's a good read. Of note, we typically set the timing at a static setting for WOT, so I never had to worry about the computer retarding it due to IAT readings. Also, I would suggest it is almost certain that results would be car specific, and highly dependent upon the type of stock setup, as modified by whatever you ended up with (location, number of bends, type of material, etc).

As an FYI, my logging was all done with an Autotap tied to a PDA. This allowed me to monitor most computer inputs real time, and also log most parameters.

http://members.cox.net/cosbypics/images/autot1.jpg

http://members.cox.net/cosbypics/images/autotap2.jpg

Anyway....as stated....good read! :)
Bob

Hello,

I think the preproduction Camaro looks great and the entire Camaro team has done an awesome job!

Here's a crew of knuckleheads....

http://www.indycamaro.com/images/GuyChas.jpg

I guess I'm honored not to be included as a "knucklehead" even though I'm hiding in there too. :D I was blocking for Mom Settlemire.

"Cold air intake" (CAI) is certainly more proper than "ram air", though I understand the marketing by calling it the latter.

Of note, in my testing/data logging (obviously on other vehicles), I've found that CAI's typically don't reduce the IAT reading near the TB much at all. Perhaps a little, and perhaps under certain circumstances, but not across the board. Still....so long as the opening is actually open, I'm fine with it (personal opinion).


Concur. IMHO, straightening out the airflow is the most important part.

Bob

That is all KNN intakes do is clean up the flow in and not have to worry about noise. The factory boxes are very ristrictive.

My 3800 SC gained 15 HP with just an intake and filter. Plus it sounds cooler now.

I think that is all GM is doing with the from mount intakes as it is cooler and easier not to bend the intake as much as if you will note ont he new ZR-1. it is much more direct vs what wh had on the last Camaro SS hood intake.

Looks really good...can't wait to see more production like headlights.

I guess I'm honored not to be included as a "knucklehead" even though I'm hiding in there too. :D I was blocking for Mom Settlemire.

Don't sell taking care of Scott's Mom short my friend. You get a special seat in GM heaven for such things.:D

I guess I'm honored not to be included as a "knucklehead" even though I'm hiding in there too. :D I was blocking for Mom Settlemire.

LOL The gal in the glasses
is one of our club members lol.

Car looks great, I hope we get a front and center shot to judge how wide it is.

LOL The gal in the glasses
is one of our club members lol.


Dam! Scott's Mom is in your club? Now how cool is that?

Dam! Scott's Mom is in your club? Now how cool is that?

No that isnt scotts MOM. that is a friend of his that lives here in Washignton state lol.

Dam! Scott's Mom is in your club? Now how cool is that?

The lady in the picture isn't Scotts mom. If you go back to the wide shot, on page 8 I think it is, I'm on the right side w/ the dark red shirt and tan jacket, Mom Settlemire (her hair anyway) is over my right shoulder.

I am talking about this pic, The gal that is standing behind the guy that is infront of the LS2(?) is one of our club members NOT scotts MOM.
http://www.indycamaro.com/images/GuyChas.jpg

I LOVE it:bow:

the only thing id change is to have flush door handles but i can live without them.

The Grille (especially all black and without an emblem) is perfect IMO

Is it weird if i really freaking like the headlights on it? I want mine to have a light cluster just like it!.

Maybe this has been covered before, but....are the brake duct "fins" going to be molded or open? Same deal as the "ram air" portion, although I know that has already been asked.

I love it. Can't wait to get my own production version to park under the carport :)

http://www.chevynation.com/assets/content/clubhouse/images/800x600_camaro_revealed_2.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/12/x06cc_ch089.jpg

Wonder if the Z/28 will get those slots in the lower front fascia as brake cooling ducts?

Now that I see it more, I JUST LOVE IT TO DEATH. You know, on the firrst picture where it showed the back side, you can kind of see two dual exhaust tips. This can be in fact a V8 but i just pray that a high performance V6 has dual exhaust tips as well. I wish we could also see some badging as well huh? well, It's looking absolutely perfect and GM can count on my business. GOOD JOB GM :D

Looks really freakin' good.... when was the last time you saw a Chevy with that short a front overhang? That angle shows that the Body lines haven't really been softened too much....

the camaro z28 when is it comeing out

the camaro z28 when is it comeing out

If the Z/28 is the top model, then the rumor is it will be out ~1 year after the initial release

That's a good read. Of note, we typically set the timing at a static setting for WOT, so I never had to worry about the computer retarding it due to IAT readings. Also, I would suggest it is almost certain that results would be car specific, and highly dependent upon the type of stock setup, as modified by whatever you ended up with (location, number of bends, type of material, etc).

As an FYI, my logging was all done with an Autotap tied to a PDA. This allowed me to monitor most computer inputs real time, and also log most parameters.

Anyway....as stated....good read! :)
Bob


I understand about your WOT timing and car specific? Yes, absolutely.

The PDA setup is a good idea!

Wow the front end look fantastic , save for the parts store lights .

Heres my crack at a photoshop of the concept . Still hoping projectors and the halo rings make it to the production car .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/9502transam/800x600_camaro_revealed_2copy.jpg

WOW--Now THAT I like---the nice small red/white/blue emblem (not the gargantuan bowtie) and of course the halo lights

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GM give us the camaro badge! You gave the Vettes the crossed flags! PLEASE!! you can put the bowtie anywhere else on the car!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GM give us the camaro badge! You gave the Vettes the crossed flags! PLEASE!! you can put the bowtie anywhere else on the car!

I also vote for the camaro symbol but the one above looks more like a colored Pontiac arrow to me.
It'll probably have that little GM square on the rocker too.

The design has Chevrolet written all over it. That's a good thing.

The only design question I have is the flatness of the roof, it seems like a curve to it would be a better design and it woul pick up a few tenths in headroom.

Does anybody know if the headroom will be improved over the concept?

I also like the fact that the windshield header extends up into the roof this will help with visibility and overhead stoplights.

WOW--Now THAT I like---the nice small red/white/blue emblem (not the gargantuan bowtie) and of course the halo lights

I'm pretty sure, my Camaro will have a r/w/b emblem, even if I need to replace whatever is there on my own. I believe there will be an aftermarket solution even if the cars come with the bowtie. But who knows? Maybe the r/w/b will be on there. Makes sense to wait and see.

I would prefer a completely clean grille, but I wouldn't mind the Camaro stripes either. Big :no: to the Chevy bowtie. You can slap the bowtie on anything else but the Camaro.

help with visibility and overhead stoplights.


Which was a PITA with the 4th gens and their 68 degree windshield rake. When I drove them (never owned one), I learned to stop well behind the stop line at intersections just so I could see the light without cranking my neck or trying to peer through the t-top.

Damn, I am in love! Even with the autozone headlights it still looks great! I can't wait to see the finished model and the complete interior.

i think it looks similar to an 80's Monte Carlo SS

props looks kinda like the new chargers.

I would prefer a completely clean grille, but I wouldn't mind the Camaro stripes either. Big :no: to the Chevy bowtie. You can slap the bowtie on anything else but the Camaro.

Personally, I dont care about any other chevy but Camaro and I much perfer the bowtie on the exterior over the Camaro emblem. It does look good clean though...

fastball,

Yep. I owned 1 2nd gen and 4 3rd gens and never bought a 4th gen because of the visibility issues. A real safety item for me.
Plus I would have had to take the rear view mirror off just to see in front of me.

I emailed Scott about a year ago and he said there would be some small improvements made here and there to accomodate taller drivers.

Looks like the higher windshield header is one of them and I also heard the seat might go lower.

Reply from Fbodfather 8/25/2006 to my PM regarding headroom and visibilty:

Hi! And thanks for writing!

Yes, we're very much aware of that and will probably be making some subtle changes!
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:drool:
Man that is one SEXY beast! I love it!!! Mad props to you and your entire crew Fbod. Everyone.

Now my only question to you or anyone. Is there anyway I could get a custom paint job straight from the factory? Just a little curious. Fantastic job again.

:bow:

fastball,

Yep. I owned 1 2nd gen and 4 3rd gens and never bought a 4th gen because of the visibility issues. A real safety item for me.
Plus I would have had to take the rear view mirror off just to see in front of me.

I emailed Scott about a year ago and he said there would be some small improvements made here and there to accomodate taller drivers.

Looks like the higher windshield header is one of them and I also heard the seat might go lower.

Reply from Fbodfather 8/25/2006 to my PM regarding headroom and visibilty:

Hi! And thanks for writing!

Yes, we're very much aware of that and will probably be making some subtle changes!
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Those windshields were huge with mamoth 22" wiper blades. From the outside you'd think "wow, you can see everything through there"...... then you get behind the wheel, and it all dissappeared :confused:

Those windshields were huge with mamoth 22" wiper blades. From the outside you'd think "wow, you can see everything through there"...... then you get behind the wheel, and it all dissappeared :confused:

:yes: Comparatively, it was like looking out of the driver slot of a tank.

I love 4th gens!!! the only thing I dont like is you cannot see the front end of the car when you drive, you only see the windshield and the road which is kinda wierd....

I love 4th gens!!! the only thing I dont like is you cannot see the front end of the car when you drive, you only see the windshield and the road which is kinda wierd....

You haven't driven that many cars if you find it wierd.

My 1995 Cavalier, 2002 Camaro, 2005 Aveo, my mom's 1990 Caravan, 2002 Concorde and other cars I've driven (late 90's and early 2000's Caravan) here and there don't have the hood visible from the drivers position. No, I'm not short.

looks nice, i am interested. I hope the interior changes a bit though,

I just got back into a 2000 camaro ss, when will this be on sale? Curious...begins production in a year, and maybe half to build a few looks like september 09' maybe ?

Wow this thing is going to be hot, its so exciting seeing this thing come together finally.

The front intake needs to be real, especially on V8 models.

I wonder if there will be different grills on different models.

You haven't driven that many cars if you find it wierd.

My 1995 Cavalier, 2002 Camaro, 2005 Aveo, my mom's 1990 Caravan, 2002 Concorde and other cars I've driven (late 90's and early 2000's Caravan) here and there don't have the hood visible from the drivers position. No, I'm not short.

I drive alot of cars in my proffesion, I pull in about 20-30 cars a day so I have noticed the few you mentioned as being the same as fourth-gens. but it is just different in the camaro, your so low, and that windshield is at such an angle its hard to explain, but yes I do still find it wierd, feels like there is nothing in front of me except a windshield. my third-gens are nothing like my 95.

You haven't driven that many cars if you find it wierd.

My 1995 Cavalier, 2002 Camaro, 2005 Aveo, my mom's 1990 Caravan, 2002 Concorde and other cars I've driven (late 90's and early 2000's Caravan) here and there don't have the hood visible from the drivers position. No, I'm not short.

Earlier Ford taurus is like that as well.


Once you get used to drving a 4th gen everything else sucks. IMO...IMO...IMO...

Earlier Ford taurus is like that as well.


Once you get used to drving a 4th gen everything else sucks.


Not really

I own 2 3rd gens a 2nd gen & a 4th gen Camaro, Out of all the camaros I perfer the 3rd gens & out of all the cars on our place (we have 8) I perfer My truck or my buick if I cant drive my Iroc.

I've been reading this site for any new news several times a week since the 06 Concept was released. And now that we are nearing production, and after seeing that beautiful front end on the pre-production model, i've finally decided to join up.

All that i have to say is, beautiful, i love it, i want it. And can't wait to get it!

Scott, and to the other hard working people at GM on this project, keep up the great work and dont stop. Fantastic work.

Not really

I own 2 3rd gens a 2nd gen & a 4th gen Camaro, Out of all the camaros I perfer the 3rd gens & out of all the cars on our place (we have 8) I perfer My truck or my buick if I cant drive my Iroc.

Its a matter of opinion.

I prefer my 4th gens over my old Iroc any day of the week.

Its a matter of opinion.

I prefer my 4th gens over my old Iroc any day of the week.

Not really its a matter of Comfort.
I am 5'3 which means I have to move the seat forward to the point of almost touching the wheel to just be able to reach the pedels.

of course I am also overweight (which I am working on) which means the seat belt if it does go all the way around me is Tight & I cant really move.

In my iroc I can sit comfortable & have no problems getting the seat belt around me So I can drive in Comfort, same wiht my truck (since the belts are in the seats it self) & my buick Its not a problem either.

Earlier Ford taurus is like that as well.


Once you get used to drving a 4th gen everything else sucks.
06+ Civics are like that too. If anything, a little more extreme still.

Why would everything else suck once you get used to driving the 4th gen? is the 5th gen going to suck too?

06+ Civics are like that too. If anything, a little more extreme still.

Why would everything else suck once you get used to driving the 4th gen? is the 5th gen going to suck too?

Why is it that there are so many people on this board who have nothing better to do then make a big deal out of nothing.

I was basically expressing My opinion. Maybe I should edit it so that people may understand it better. Or maybe its just that people have nothing better to then to attempt to start trouble and try to be comedians.
You failed at being a comedian. Go start trouble somewhere else.

Earlier Ford taurus is like that as well.


Once you get used to drving a 4th gen everything else sucks. IMO...IMO...IMO...

There. I edited it for those smart ass troublemakers out there.

Not really its a matter of Comfort.
I am 5'3 which means I have to move the seat forward to the point of almost touching the wheel to just be able to reach the pedels.

of course I am also overweight (which I am working on) which means the seat belt if it does go all the way around me is Tight & I cant really move.

In my iroc I can sit comfortable & have no problems getting the seat belt around me So I can drive in Comfort, same wiht my truck (since the belts are in the seats it self) & my buick Its not a problem either.

No, really.

My opinion is that its comfortable. Your opinion that it isnt. Still a matter of opinion.

Of course this post is a matter of opinion. LOL

Its subjective...there..Hows that? :rolleyes:

Compared to my Charger, the visibility out of my 4th Gen Trans Am is MUCH better at stop lights. (only drawback to the Charger.)

I love 4th gens!!! the only thing I dont like is you cannot see the front end of the car when you drive, you only see the windshield and the road which is kinda wierd....

Sine the preproduction is so close to the concept, this may still apply...

Yes, you can see the hood of this car from the driver's position as opposed to the raking hood of a 4th generation f-body that immediately disappears after the windshield cowl. You can see just enough of the cowl induction hood and bulging front fender to get a great feel of the overall length of the car. It all gently drops away to the grill just enough to where the hood doesn't seem too long. As a result, the view from the driver's seat is just right. It looks and feels like a Camaro should.

This is from our test drive of the Camaro Concept, you might want to read the whole thing here (http://www.camaroz28.com/articles/concepttestdrive/index.shtml). Even if you have read it before when it was written, it now seems to paint a better picture of what we can actually expect from the production car.

Not really

I own 2 3rd gens a 2nd gen & a 4th gen Camaro, Out of all the camaros I perfer the 3rd gens & out of all the cars on our place (we have 8) I perfer My truck or my buick if I cant drive my Iroc.


Hell ya! Your singing my song! 3rd gens will always be my first love. The seating position is better than any car ive EVER sat in. if you havent taken a 10 hour road trip in one you really should, they are extremely comfortable.

:confused:

I can see the hood of my 4th-gen when I'm driving. I'm only 5'8".

Not that it matters. :irk:

:confused:

I can see the hood of my 4th-gen when I'm driving. I'm only 5'8".

Not that it matters. :irk:

Do you have your seat in a higher (and typically more proper) position than most? I am about the same height as you are, I sit relatively normal (a bit low, mildly pimpin') and the only part of the hood I saw was the trailing edge for the most part.

Do you have your seat in a higher (and typically more proper) position than most? I am about the same height as you are, I sit relatively normal (a bit low, mildly pimpin') and the only part of the hood I saw was the trailing edge for the most part.

I sit pretty far forward (about 1.5" from all the way forward), but the seat is as low as it goes.

I'll have to sit in yours one day to see if I have the same view. Maybe you are just weird. ;) Either that or I am...tough to tell... :lol:

I couldn't see my hood at ALL in my 99 Trans Am until I put on the WS6 Style ram air hood. Now I can see it, and it reminds me of my 68 Firebird the the 69 Trans Am hood that I had on it. I think the Cowl Induction style hood on the new Camaro will definately be in your line of sight. One HELL of a veiw if you have ever driven a 1st gen with a Cowl Induction hood.

One HELL of a veiw if you have ever driven a 1st gen with a Cowl Induction hood.Word! :D

FWIW, while driving a 4th gen did take some getting used too, IMHO, its no worse than driving a Vette.

Scratchin' my head wonderin' why one needs to see the hood whilst drivin' ???

Scratchin' my head wonderin' why one needs to see the hood whilst drivin' ???

Define "need". I liked seeing a bit of it on the concept, it gave me better perspective on the car's dimensions and made me feel more in control. It isn't a need for me, but I think it is nice.

Chicks will be driving this car... it's a definite "need." I don't want to see Camaros cracked up because people can't figure out the dimensions :rolleyes:

Define "need". I liked seeing a bit of it on the concept, it gave me better perspective on the car's dimensions and made me feel more in control. It isn't a need for me, but I think it is nice.

:yes:

It's nice for parking in tight spaces.

My father-in-law's '70 GSX is enormous compared to most other cars I've driven, but I can see both corners of the hood from the driver's seat, which makes it relatively easy to maneuver and park. Plus, the tach on the hood is sweet. ;)

I was not trying to get into a 3rd gen vs. 4th gen contest as to which is better.
My observations are from somebody who is 6'8" and feels that the 3rd gen
offered the most usable room, leg space, and upward and outward visibility.
I could get comfortable in a 4th gen from a sitting position standpoint but my ability to see forward and upward at overhead stoplights was seriously hampered.
I don't need to see the front or fenders of a car. I know where they are when I'm driving.
They are in the same place as when I walked past the car to open the door. LOL.
More problematical in the 4th gen was the 68 degree windshield and the header in my forehead.

It looks like Chevy has moved the windshield header up in the 5th gen. If they can find a 1/2" in headroom or so then I and other tall people should fit fine.

Some of you may not care about this discussion but one thing the Camaro has always had over the Mustang was more interior room. If they can get the interior dimensions up in the 5th gen that will be a reason for a percentage of the population to buy the car.
And we do want the new Camaro to succeed.

If you guys want to see a current car with poor visibility sit in a '08 Cadillac CTS and look in the rearview mirror.
Mailslot comes to mind.

As far as the light question goes since it seems that a lot of people aren't getting that THEY ARE NOT THE PRODUCTION LIGHTS..........

im sure its been mentioned already but

THOSE HEADLAMPS ARE NOT THE PRODUCTION LAMPS!!

remember the pic of the clay model with Mr Lutz and friends - that had the production car's lamps.. what you see on the white car is the same prototype headlamp arrangement as seen on the CTS and Malibu prototype shots!!

Here's the image for those that don't remember.

http://www.bowtiebrigade.net/Production_lights.JPG

hey i thought we wheren't allowed to post porn on the site!!!

PURE SEX

You guys did a fantastic job!

Scratchin' my head wonderin' why one needs to see the hood whilst drivin' ???

anyone that knows how to drive doesn't NEED to see the hood. But for those of us that have owned 1st gens, There really is a sense of power when you look out over that hood with the various bulges that were available. (Cowl Induction, 69 Trans Am's dual scoops, Formula's twin scoops ect.) Nothing like that view. I would find myself watching the lights reflecting off the lines of my hood while cruising at night. (probably NOT a good thing) but damn it was beautiful.

I'll put a vote in for seeing the hood from the drivers seat. Dad had a few '69 Camaros over the years. (I actually learned to drive a manual trans on one, the 4th Gen was sooo much easier to drive!)
I could see the hood on the 1st Gens for sure. While the SS hood on my '99 wasn't near as visable as say the WS6 hood on the LS1 cars I could cerainly see it while driving. I never used that for depth perception but I did use it as motivation to help it eat by giving her more loud pedal!

anyone that knows how to drive doesn't NEED to see the hood. But for those of us that have owned 1st gens, .......

I've owned over a dozen 1st gens......and while it's fun to look at the hood...I don't 'need' to see it to drive or park.....just sayin'...... ;)

I've owned over a dozen 1st gens......and while it's fun to look at the hood...I don't 'need' to see it to drive or park.....just sayin'...... ;)

I back into every parking spot anyway.

I back into every parking spot anyway.

same here.

If you guys want to see a current car with poor visibility sit in a '08 Cadillac CTS and look in the rearview mirror.
Mailslot comes to mind.

You're only referring to the rear, people have more of a gripe with forward visability.

I've sat in the CTS, the rear is kinda tall, but try looking over your back to reverse in a Fusion. Next time you see one on the street go behind it and look at the the distance from the top of the trunk lid to the bottom of the rearview mirror!!

As for the visiblity of the 3rd vs 4thgen, the 3rd gen has better visibility. The tall and deep dash of the 4thgen makes it hard to see sometimes. I've been in an 83 and an 89 Trans Am and I liked that interior visibility and how it fit me a lot more than my 99.
As bad ass as some of the 4th gen SS and WS6's were, the 3rd gen was better for it's time than the 4th gen for it's time.

As bad ass as some of the 4th gen SS and WS6's were, the 3rd gen was better for it's time than the 4th gen for it's time.

Sentiments shared exactly . I reeeally miss my 92 GTA and my 90 Iroc and all the other 3rd gens I owned .

Hot Dang!!! That is awesome looking! I go out of town for the weekend and come back to this!!! Fantastic! Can't wait to pick mine up!

As bad ass as some of the 4th gen SS and WS6's were, the 3rd gen was better for it's time than the 4th gen for it's time.


For sure.

In it's time, the 3rd gen was a quantum leap forward in automotive design - and everyone, regardless of your loyalty, knew it.

Scott, you guys did a good job with this car. What is the On-Star delete option code;) and will it come standard with a blue tooth link to display diagnostic information on our ipods and cell phones?:cool:

looks good to me! can't wait to see further refinements!

http://www.chevynation.com/assets/content/clubhouse/images/800x600_camaro_revealed_2.jpg http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/4/1/5/f_preProrr1orm_c33418c.jpg
ok so here goes nothing...I love the car and know that white isn't the most flattering color, but the critques are more important than the good parts. Yes it look hefty, but the front facia looks plain on the bottom. The gill style vents from the concept looked great. The side gills don't look as good, but they are probably not the real deal yet. The rear end looks funky to me? The tail lights and the bar going across appear to be only 7in tall. Just look too squaty. That body line just doesn't work for me. Also the back up light or reflectors. Those little squares just don't look right. Would have been cool to see them places in the black plastic part of the bumper. All in all great job! I don't think another car will be able to steal my heart like the Orange convertible concept did though. That was the perfect car to me. Everything about it was perfect and flawless. The seatbelt buckles were absolutely perfect. The wheels were pure sex. The color beat everything. Hey Scott can you guys sell that car to me eventually? That'd be the one I want.

The only thing that seems to add some bulk to it for me is the mandantory higher beltline, for crash rating standards, from what I've heard. And is the only thing I'd still say I'd like to see different on the car.
I can't wait to see a pre-prod in person!...

The only thing that seems to add some bulk to it for me is the mandantory higher beltline, for crash rating standards, from what I've heard. And is the only thing I'd still say I'd like to see different on the car.
I can't wait to see a pre-prod in person!...

:yes: Yes.

I am still going to hold out too much judgement until we see the final product and in person.....but it sure looks like they have smoothed out alot of the meaness look of the car to me.

I think we're just getting used to the shape.
That's why it seems toned down somewhat.
We've been lookig at this car for 2 full years now!

We've been lookig at this car for 2 full years now!

Hardly seems like it, doesn't it?

Think of it this way, it was been over 5 years since we had a new Camaro on the showroom floor.

What amazes me is that after looking at the car for so long, I'm still not sick of it!!

What amazes me is that after looking at the car for so long, I'm still not sick of it!!

Thats most of us lol.

I know I see the car every day & every time I walk in to my bedroom & even in my living room.

Im not really feeling it like I was with the concept.. maybe cause Ive looked at pictures of the concept alomost every day for the last 2 years and set my expectaitions a little higher then most... the car seems alot taller in stance kinda bulky, rear seems rounded maybe a ducktail would set it off?? Im going to stop there and wait to see what the real production car looks like Im sure they will make improvments before production...

Beautiful Job!:D

Ok, I've patiently read though 16 pages of thread, 12 of which discuss headlights and I still go back to Scott's first post " parts are missing, wink" and no one has mentioned 1 compound word and a 2 lettered formerly compatible 1969 Z/28 option:

HIDEAWAYS, RS

Anyone up for a the photoshop challenge??

Any insight to it being available or a viable combination?

HIDEAWAYS,

unlikely partly due to safety standards

RS

possibly. Keep in mind RS is an appearance package nothing to do with performance. It is possible we will get an RS/SS but again unlikely with hideaways.

Beautiful Job!:D

Ok, I've patiently read though 16 pages of thread, 12 of which discuss headlights and I still go back to Scott's first post " parts are missing, wink" and no one has mentioned 1 compound word and a 2 lettered formerly compatible 1969 Z/28 option:

HIDEAWAYS, RS

Anyone up for a the photoshop challenge??

Any insight to it being available or a viable combination?

Parts are missing as in the production headlight assembly :) ....as compared to the hot glue velcro job of cheapie lights in the picture . The turn signals are incorporated into the headlight assembly= no headlamp doors .

unlikely partly due to safety standards



possibly. Keep in mind RS is an appearance package nothing to do with performance. It is possible we will get an RS/SS but again unlikely with hideaways.


By safety do you mean daylight running lights? Do the headlights have to be the daytime running lights? What about the lights in the lower valence being the daylight lights? Pop up's (Ala Corvette ) were good through 2004 and a similar concept to hideways. I'm only in the country a few months at a time the last few years, is there something I've missed, is it no longer legal to produce pop-ups or hideaways? I know there's been a trend to enclose headlamps under clear exterior covers, but has that been mandated?

Parts are missing as in the production headlight assembly :) ....as compared to the hot glue velcro job of cheapie lights in the picture . The turn signals are incorporated into the headlight assembly= no headlamp doors .

Sometimes different options require different grilles and valences, on 1st gens the turn signal in the grille of the base model was moved to the lower valence and the hideaways were added. It required different fenders, headlamp assemblies, grille and lower valance. Z06 has a different hood and front facia to separate itself appearance wise from the base model.

I'm just curious if different appearance trims are contemplated for initial delivery/production. I can't imagine every front grille from base to Z to SS being the same because GM can only afford to offer 1 headlamp assembly.

I'll probably get slapped the next time I walk into a Camaro meeting for posting this -- but I don't want people to be disappointed --

No hideaway headlamps -- for many reasons.

#1. Weight -- (and we all know how many people on this site feel about weight!)

#2. Reliability and fit/finish. (did you ever see a headlamp door remain in alignment on the 1st gens???)

#3. Export purposes..........

.......plus a host of other reasons.

Notice I'm not saying that grilles may not be different -- ;)

(dang -- there goes that 'winkie' thing again!)

Now-- with that said........the aftermarket is very creative -- and I suspect that one (or more) industrious souls will figure out how to do a hideaway headlight treatment (in addition to several aftermarket grilles) -- and that's a great thing!

I'm always amazed, for instance, to walk thru a showfield -- and look at, say, a half dozen or more Black SSs -- they all looked pretty much the same when they came off the line at Ste. Therese -- but a couple of years later and they all have been 'personalized' -- and each has its own unique appearance......

Are they paying as much attention to the detail on the production model as they did on the concept? Every aspect of the concept seemed to be flawless. Even the seatbelts looked great. I'm just wondering if they "cut" any corners. I know it has to be changed for pricing reasons, but is there going to be a model that is almost identical to the convertible concept? That is the one that has my attention.

Notice I'm not saying that grilles may not be different -- ;)

(dang -- there goes that 'winkie' thing again!):D

That's an interesting tidbit. Thanks Scott.

Are they paying as much attention to the detail on the production model as they did on the concept? Every aspect of the concept seemed to be flawless. Even the seatbelts looked great. I'm just wondering if they "cut" any corners. I know it has to be changed for pricing reasons, but is there going to be a model that is almost identical to the convertible concept? That is the one that has my attention.


I think people would be amazed at how everyone is 'sweating the details' --for instance -- I posted a picture of a portion of the team 'listening' thru headphones -- all to work on 'tuning' the exhaust of the V8 engine.

The concept wasn't flawless -- but on the other hand, the concept had incredibly expensive materials -- such as billet aluminum parts -- and we must keep in mind that the new Camaro MUST come in at a "Chevy" price..........

I think, all in all, you will be pleased.