NEWS: Spy Shots: 2009 Chevy Camaro caught - interior too!

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Glance inside and you'll see a production interior that's remarkably close to the highly stylized retro interior of the concept (http://www.autoblog.com/photos/chevy-camaro-concept/120100/). The two big analog gauges remain front and center behind the retro-looking wheel, for instance. The center stack, however, has been modified to accept a modern stereo and some useable HVAC controls, though it sits atop a cluster of four gauges giving the car's vitals. All in all, it appears that the production Camaro will retain more of the concept's flair than we thought, so kudos to GM for seeing it through.

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http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2162921246_7899a67470_o.jpg

:yuck::cry:

LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very exciting to see these pictures :)

:thumb: Thanks for making my day !!! Look at those exterior shots too..... I see 20" rims there !!!!

:yuck::cry:
LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a feeling we are going to see 10 pages of love it, hate it, love it, hate it, love it.
Put me down for love it. Can't wait to see it cleaned up with professional pictures.

How about linking to the source:

http://jalopnik.com/339979/2009-chevrolet-camaro-first-interior-shots

http://www.automochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3499



http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2008/01/medium_2162921246_7899a67470_o.jpg

Holy unfinished, mock-up Batman!

check out that roof console, finally a place to rest my sunglasses.

http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/2009ChevyCamaroExt/

where's my cupholder?

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/03/spy-shots-2009-chevy-camaro-caught-with-interior-shots/

:alert:

I like it better than the concept, but it is still an unfinished product - speed and rpm bezels are held on by tape, missing parts in steering wheel, exposed screws on passenger side of dash etc.

Not great yet, but also not finished.

B

I like it :) . Can't wait to see completed production photos :yes: .

David

The steering wheel looks more fisher price than the typical GM steering wheel. The speedo and tach tunnels are too narrow and don't flow with the lines of the dash at all and they appear to retain a hard to read ugly font. The HVAC vents front and center of the dash are gigantic and way too prominent. And last but not least, the worst feature of all, the ridiculous / useless placement of the console guages.

I didn't think it was possible for the real car to have a worse interior than the concept. Boy was i wrong.

It's a mule. So dont really expect the interior to be fit and finished. But that shifter needs to go. The Key is way to big. And the seats look barrowed for the cobalt. What does the sticker across the dash board say? I can only read the last word as "Fuel"

Looks like the pushbutton start is gone(?). The center stack doesn't look quite so clean as the concept - with needing an actual, real world display that is and the gauges are different too, in a more subtle way though.

All in all though, it's great to see it come together and remaining as true to the concept as it appears to be - although it has obviously changed somewhat at the same time.

As production looms closer I can't wait to see even more revealing shots of the actual production car.

Look at the exterior shots though, from the same link. All the curves and lines are still very much there.

Ugh....This could be a deal breaker for me, I've never been a fan of the Concepts interior, especially the retro dash. Looks like they just hashed out a spot for a modern radio. I am still reserving final judgement for the final product.

**The black Ute on the car hauler looks really cool.

I'm not digging the radio bulge or the auto shifter knob, but I wouldn't be getting an automatic anyway. ;)

What does the sticker across the dash board say? I can only read the last word as "Fuel"

"Contains less than ten liters of fuel"

B

"Contains less than ten liters of fuel"

B

So if you're going to steal it, bring a few gas cans right?

Looks kinda chintzy and "cartoonish"... but it could just be the unflattering nature of the photos.

Freakin Retarded. Looks like a time machine.

I laugh at anyone that said the rear fenders are gone. :D

So if you're going to steal it, bring a few gas cans right?

Yeah, but I still cannot find the filler cap, so I don't know where to put it?

B

Looks very good to me... I like the ergonomic steering wheel and the little gauges down on the console, very unique and a good cue to the first-gens. I'm very much liking the wheels (the ones which resemble the concept)... nicely sharp and angular. IF those are production wheels, it will be a relief since I was worried they would get watered down or eliminated in transition to production. Looking good so far! :)

I don't know about that steering wheel. But you can see that the interior is not finished.

Wow that looks horrible!

The more of these spy photos I see....the less I like the looks of the car.

That interior looks pretty ugly.

Looks a lot like the concept.

No cooperate steering wheal or radio = :bow: That is platform sharing done right.

http://jalopnik.com/339979/2009-chevrolet-camaro-first-interior-shots

The spy shooters of KGP have snagged us one heckuva get -- these are the best shots to date of the 2009 Chevy Camaro caught on a car trailer -- including the very first interior shots we've yet seen. We'll have all the shots up in a moment, but we've got the full spy report below the jump. UPDATE: All the photos added below. Looks like the interior's remaining true to the concept interior and one thing's for sure about the exterior -- it's certainly got big tires and as we saw earlier -- a B-pillar. And these pictures show us a much more clear look at the deisgn integration than the first Camaro spy photos we shared with you last month -- or better than the sneaky Camaro camera-phone shot.

One of our European operatives caught this full stable of high- performance Holden test cars--including the new Camaro--between Denmark and Sweden, en route to the frigid arctic circle testing grounds. The encounter provided the best, most detailed look at the Camaro, including the first shots of the car's interior.
As with the exterior, the production Camaro's interior will remain
true to the concept in its overall look and feel. The largest change
between the concept and production versions is found on this
prototype's center stack, which has an attractive stereo interface
that was missing on the show car. The four small analog gages still
reside in front of the gear shift lever, and the old-school
instrumentation pods have survived the productionizing process largely
unscathed. A band of color-keyed trim runs along the dash face, and
flares out into the door panels, providing some welcome character and
further linking the production Camaro with the concept that has been
only teasing us for far too long now.

Our close-up look reveals that these Camaro prototypes were outfitted
with 20-inch wheels, and were shod with 245/45 ZR20 Pirello P Zero
tires.

It's a mule. So dont really expect the interior to be fit and finished. But that shifter needs to go. The Key is way to big. And the seats look barrowed for the cobalt. What does the sticker across the dash board say? I can only read the last word as "Fuel"

That Sticker says "Containing Less Then Ten Liters of Fuel"

I laugh at anyone that said the rear fenders are gone. :D

Agreed:alert:

Hate the radio, tach and speedo, auto shifter, steering wheel
Like the middle guages and the vents
GM needs to put oput some official pics with a cleaned up interior, this is going to turn off a lot of buyers.

More/higher res: http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-camaro-2.html

Could this be another one of those pictures that doom the Camaro, like the leaked picture of the white Camaro?

Obviously the interior is not finished, but I hope that steering wheel is changed.

uggh

i think it went in the wrong direction from the concepts interior which i didnt like to begin with. it looks like a honda space shipe interior.

not liking it at all

and im not taking fit and finish into consideration bc its just a mule

Dear God I hope that isn't even remotely close to what it will look like. Thats terrible.

Edit: After looking at the other shots....from every angle other than the one posted in this thread I like it :shrug:

I laugh at anyone that said the rear fenders are gone. :D

+2;)

Dear God I hope that isn't even remotely close to what it will look like. Thats terrible.

The 4th gen interiors were terrible. This one isn't bad. Plus, it's over a year away from production, so I wouldn't plan on this being set in stone at all.

interior....:barf:

exterior....I hope there's extra padding under the camo because it seems like the car's gained quite a bit front and rear overhang.

Interesting.

:lol: Some of these reactions are classic. It is obviously a stripped and unfinished interior missing most of its trim, including the dashpad. However I like the direction they're heading. (Including bringing back the Astrothru ventilation. ;) )

At least we can see that 20-inch wheels fit with plenty of room to spare.

I'm not digging the window trim though. I'm not sure if I'd like to see it in chrome, body color, or black at this point.

It also appears the rear c-pillar rake has been softened? I hope not, because that's one of my favorite features on the concept.

I'd hate to be that truck driver right now. :P

It looks true to the concept, all but unfinished. Besides, people who buy muscle cars are less interested in the interior and more interested with what's under the hood. The interior in the 4th gens sucks the big one. But once you drive it, all you care about is the raw horsepower. This interior looks to be a definite improvement over the 4th gens.

That interior looks pretty nasty now, but making allowances for the fact that those materials probably aren't close to final it could turn out decent.

It's clearly not finished.... and.... I like it :D

What I don't like are the colors (again, it's unfinished) and the shifter (it's the wrong kind :D ) I think that interior would look great in all black.

Also, the seats look comfy...

What I don't like are the colors (again, it's unfinished) and the shifter (it's the wrong kind :D ) I think that interior would look great in all black.Did you also notice that the steering wheel doesn't have provisions for shifter paddles? I'd like to think it would be optional with the A6. :D

2006 Concept:
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Chevrolet/chevy_camaro_concept_manu_06_int_01.jpg

2007 Concept:
http://www.thechevroletcamaro.com/camaro_convertible_04.jpg

Production?:
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/camaro.int.dcu.kgp.ed.jpg

Looks good! :thumb:

Should have popped the hood while the door was open and took that pic :D:cry:

Some of these reactions are classic. It is obviously a stripped and unfinished interior missing most of its trim, including the dashpad.

^+1 . Don't judge it until you see the production interior. Personally, I like it a lot. I'm glad to see that they stuck close to the concept. :D

That is a truckload of cool: the Camaros, an HSV Maloo (UTE), ME Chevy Caprice, Camo'd Commodore wagon...


Cold weather testing is a good sign.

Yeah, but I still cannot find the filler cap, so I don't know where to put it?

B

Has to be on top. You'd think it would show through those bras.

The more of these spy photos I see....the less I like the looks of the car.

That interior looks pretty ugly.

Your not the only one. After having 5 f-bodies since I was 16(now 27) I might have to look at another company or finally upgrade to a new Vette. I have never owned anything else other than f-bodies, but it looks like that may change.

My wife has an 06 Rustang GT in white and those other spy shots of the white one reminds me exactly of her car. NOT GOOD

Gah I love it!!!

The exterior profile of the concept appears to be near 100% of the concept!!

Much better than the white car!

people who buy muscle cars are less interested in the interior and more interested with what's under the hood.
The problem with that theory is that most of the Camaros sold will not be 'muscle cars' but daily driver V6s. If the V6 doesn't sell well, GM can't afford to big the bad-ass Camaros.
Personally I am happy with the interior. Just like the rest of the spy shots you can't judge it completely, this is just a good idea of what it will look like. This car is built for testing, not a focus group.

Its a test car gang. Heck the seats are probably what was lying around and are definitely not production. Other than noting how close it is to the concept; if you're judging the production interior by these photos, you're selling the car short. (And just being silly.) :p

I can't believe they carried that much of the concept's interior over to production (assuming those pics are accurate). The exterior, even though I disliked it, I can understand since that's what most people responded to. But far more people disliked the interior as near as I could tell and I thought GM was going to change it. Aside from its questionable aesthetics, it's not a very good ergonomic design ... who wants to glance all the way down to the console to check their coolant temp or oil pressure?

Also, where is the e-brake .... is it behind the shifter, or to the left of the seat, or (god forbid) on the floor? And is there any room for cupholder on the console?

YUCK! :confused: :(

I really hope GM changes this interior somewhat although most of it will probably stay. I know some like the retro look but those two center gauges stick out of the dash like a sore thumb. And while the lower console gauges might be retro as well who the heck is going to want to keep looking down at the gauges while driving (A little dangerous isn't it?). I feel all the of "vitals" should be directly in front the driver. You shouldn't have to search for anything. I LOVE the exterior of the car and I hope it will have the cowl induction hood and the rear spolier among other exterior details and the new LS3 (please..please..please GM) but for goodness sake.....PLEASE GM.....refine that interior.

And yes I do realize it's an unfinished product but man is this going to make me reconsider. But like everyone I will certainly reserve final judgment until I see the finished version. I am very excited about this car but the current interior is really a disappointment.

There are a lot of great minds at GM....why don't they borrow some ideas from the current corvettes or something similar?

I really have my fingers crossed that this will change at least somewhat.....

wow...that steering wheel has gotta go. Not a big fan of the main gauges and radio/heater control area (its too round looking)...the rest seems OK. I'm not worried.

Do you think that truck driver is looking for a new job right about now?

I think what's making the interior shots look bad is the steering wheel. The concept car has a truly retro looking steering wheel close to what was on the '68s-'69s. This pre-production car doesn't. The center hub and spokes are too big on it. That has to change. Perhaps they need to add some metallic accents to the spokes of the steering wheel, ala current Mustang, to make it look better. Other than that, the updated font on the speedo and tach look good, as does the unfinished center console.

I love it!

Looks like its real close to the concept !

Do you think that truck driver is looking for a new job right about now?I would think so.

Is it just an illusion, or is the center of the steering wheel rim not concentric with the center of the steering wheel hub?

Looks like the dash vents can be closed completely (which I LOVE). The more I look at it, the more I think it is going to look pretty damn good in production trim.

The e-brake question does concern me, however... :think:

Wow, here we go... the same type of replies that we got when the 1st prototype came out...

are you the same people that said the concept was horrible until you saw it in person?

this is clearly a unfinished interior that will much better once it is finished and cleaned up and in person and with better photography. Whoever is saying it is horrible you guys need to chill out until you see the finish product.

I like what i see so far.. is different and i like the door panel that is reflective i hope there is a way to order it body color. :)

its looks like @ss!! No lie.. that is just yuck!
I was sure I was not into the retro body and OMG there is no way I would even consider it now that its interior looks even remotely like that..

We are in 2008.. not 1968.. I dont like to go backwards..

Looks like chevrolet will lose another customer for sure..

I could go either way. I'm happy it's been toned down, but now that I've become a VW/Audi fan, I really like very technical/driver oriented designs. This is certainly different, and I'm not sure how well it's going to be liked by the 20-something/early 30's crowd--but maybe that's not the Camaro's intended market anymore?. It's like a mix of 3rd gen and 1st gen with the shapes and overall wonkiness of the 93-96 Camaro interior.

If there's one thing that hasn't changed--We get another king-size pillow for an airbag cover. It just screams, "HONK ME!!!"

Hmmm. I'll reserve judgement untill I see it less torn up. I'm sure it will look better when all the trim pieces are in there.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/camaro.int.dcu.kgp.ed.jpg

I can't tell but I sure hope there is a proper dead pedal down there, thats about the only complaint I have with the interior of my Goat. Also for what it is I like the interior, the wheel looks like it would be comfortable to hang on to if nothing else and the lower gauges are a cool throw back if not particularly useful.

:barf:

I know this is just a mule but I must say the interior is terrible! :cry:

aside from the door panels, it's just disgusting. Specifically, I hate the entire gauge arrangement and the radio is way too big. It doesn't nearly match the beauty of the exterior. I was hoping for a major redesign on the interior and instead the forced a bloated radio into it.

Wow………I am totally blown away. That interior is absolutely terrible!

The interior in the concept cars was horrible. This “productionized” version is even worse! What in H**l is GM thinking? If you look at the feedback from the concept cars, many did not like this interior concept. Based on the feedback I have seen on this web site and others, I would say that the majority did not like it. It is unbelievable to me that GM would ignore this feedback and continue with this interior theme.

The Square tach and speedo with the round face is obviously retro. Unfortunately, it revives a design that was never particularly attractive. The “trying to be retro” face design on the gauges are just plain ugly. The consol gauges: location, style, look, etc. are just plain stupid. This interior looks like a collection of random bits from an old car and a modern car, just thrown together. It doesn’t flow well; it doesn’t integrate well. It looks confused.

I was starting see progress with GM’s interior designs on some of their new offerings. I can not believe that this abomination is coming from the same company that designed the new CTS, G8 or event the new Malibu; And on such an important car too………..Wow!

I really want to resist forming an opinion until I see the final product. But holysh!t, this has got to be the ugliest interior I can ever remember seeing.

This may be a deal killer for me.

Looks like they switch the speedo and tach. I'd rather have the speedometer on the right and tach on the left

One question:
What is that station wagon in camo??

And, wow, they opened the doors and everything....:eek:
Methinks some driver got PAID!

I know it's not finished, but some ideas so far:
I see no room for NAV.
That seat looks cheap.
The shifter looks too closer to the radio, and the console gages condensed more. Probably for the bulge in the dash to accomodate the CD/stereo's depth.
And the stereo controls looks like a game console joystick controller.
The air vents have been supersized.
I still can't warm up to the gage faces, maybe it's just me...:shrug:
Kinda reminds me of a grandfather clock...
I'd almost like to see them start with a clean slate....sorry.

One thing I loved about the Concept, that's changing, it was simple and Clean!

Since this is a Holden design, does that mean XM and a Nav system are out like with the G8>

I really want to resist forming an opinion until I see the final product. But holysh!t, this has got to be the ugliest interior I can ever remember seeing.

This may be a deal killer for me.

+1. This looks nothing, and I mean NOTHING, like the good-looking interiors that GM has been doing on all of its other new models. Hell, the new Malibu has a 100000x better and more sporty-looking dash, and it's a FAMILY SEDAN.

*deep breath*

Ok, yes, it is a mule. It isn't in any way "finished". But the entire theme of the guages, the square pods that hold them, the completely cluttered switches, the Why-T-F-are-they-so-big knobs......that interior theme is absolutely a deal-breaker for me. I couldn't stand looking at that hodge-podged mess every day. :(:mad:

Merged all threads of this subject into one.

And like before, this is far from finished. It looks okay so far, I will wait until I an sit behind the wheel to know for sure as I am not so hasty that I make my decions based on a quick pic of an unfinished product.

WTF am I supposed to do with mission critical gauges such as oil pressure and coolant temp in that dumbass location?

That's just f'n stupid. I never thought they would allow aesthetics to trump function with something like that.

Lessee..... 140mph on the main straightaway.... I really need to be keeping a better eye on the fluids.....that oil pressure gauge was down here somewhere..... 205 ft tick by every second.... ah, there it is.... what does that read... can't really be sure... oh look, I missed my brake marker.....

Substitute the above for a crowded highway commute if you like.

:rolleyes:

The rear view mirror definitely has the OnStar buttons on it. So we now that it will have OnStar.

Looks like the pushbutton start is gone(?).

Scott told us several months ago in another thread that the car would NOT have push button start.

Did you also notice that the steering wheel doesn't have provisions for shifter paddles? I'd like to think it would be optional with the A6. :D

Why do I need those for an M6? ;)

Like you've already said, it's not done. Plus, this could be a "base" V-6 car. Maybe only the V-8 or upper end V-6's will have them :eek:

Wow, I hope FBodFather chimes in on this one, this needs some damage control, these pictures are worse than the infamous "White Camaro" pics..:(

BTW....what's this wagon in Camo? anybody?
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/camaro.trans1.kgp.ed.jpg

WTF am I supposed to do with mission critical gauges such as oil pressure and coolant temp in that dumbass location?

While I understand what you're saying, if you genuinely plan to run your Camaro so hard that you want to keep an exact eye on oil pressure and coolant temp, you'd probably be better off adding aftermarket gauges anyway. Most modern gauges are programmed to present information that keeps the driver happy, not info that's "mission critical." Joe average gets "nervous" when his oil pressure moves too much. "I'd better take this to the service department, it goes to 80 psi when I floor it!"

Yikes, that is one nasty interior. I was afraid that they would stick with the concept cars interior. Hello 1960's erganomics. Who thought putting gauges near the floor was a good idea? Just like the Mustang, that interior already looks so old. I predict a quick redesign of the interior.

As already posted. this is a deal breaker for me............and just when I was starting to warm up to the exterior.

The wagon in Cammo is a Holden Commodore (or maybe a G8).

The cold weather testing and cammo make me think G8 mule.

Originally Posted by Eric77TA:
Joe average gets "nervous" when his oil pressure moves too much. Yeah, those gage buffers are sometimes way too slow reacting.

The wagon in Cammo is a Holden Commodore (or maybe a G8).

The cold weather testing and cammo make me think G8 mule.
I was thinking maybe Impala or G8...thanks.

If you look at the feedback from the concept cars, many did not like this interior concept. Based on the feedback I have seen on this web site and others, I would say that the majority did not like it. It is unbelievable to me that GM would ignore this feedback and continue with this interior theme.

I know what you are saying. There seemed to be a minority here who liked the interior theme from the concepts....I'm wondering if most in this same minority were in the special focus group last year. :|

And again, it isn't materials I'm worried about or the obvious ill-fits. It's the overall theme that completely turns me off. Particularly the disco guages.

I don't like the guages in front of the gearshift or the controls behind the steering wheel on the left. I like to see all my guages in front of me and see what controls I'm touching.

Love the roof console and doors though.

It may not be "finished" but I do not like several aspects of the vehicle that simply WILL NOT and CANNOT change before production... i.e. the main guage cluster. It is too high and tall... causing the steering wheel opening to be so big, needing the offset steering wheel. That wheel is TERRIBLE. Looks like something you would see in a International 23 foot box truck...

I totally disagree w/ the ancillary gauges being where they are... but is just a personal taste thing. I like to check my gauges when I drive... I've always done it and always will.

I don't mind the center cluster though... Much better than the generic GM 2DIN Delco audio setup...

I know what you are saying. There seemed to be a minority here who liked the interior theme from the concepts....I'm wondering if most in this same minority were in the special focus group last year. :|

And again, it isn't materials I'm worried about or the obvious ill-fits. It's the overall theme that completely turns me off. Particularly the disco guages.

Couldn't agree more...

While I understand what you're saying, if you genuinely plan to run your Camaro so hard that you want to keep an exact eye on oil pressure and coolant temp, you'd probably be better off adding aftermarket gauges anyway. Most modern gauges are programmed to present information that keeps the driver happy, not info that's "mission critical." Joe average gets "nervous" when his oil pressure moves too much. "I'd better take this to the service department, it goes to 80 psi when I floor it!"

I too understand what you are saying but why in the hell should I have to turn to the aftermarket for proper gauges on a $30K+ performance car from the (for now) world's largest automaker?

I count myself as lucky that my car doesn't have the idiot gauges some cars do (like my wife's GP or the LS1 cars). For that matter, my truck's gauges move as you would expect as well. That trans temp gauge is sort of useful when you're towing, just like the oil pressure and coolant temp would be on a perfomance car.

Why even offer gauges at all if that's where you're going to put them?

The placement of those gauges really pisses me off.

wow, i am amazed at how ugly they managed to make the interior

If this interior was in the car the way it is, I can't honestly say I would buy the car. Interiors mean a lot to me. I love BMW, AUDI, and Corvette interiors.

This one would be a deal breaker for me.

I hope and pray its very far from being finalized.

you know I am very impressed with this pic. I simply love it and I bet the version will satisfy everyone. I ask you all to give GM a chance and I full belief that the final production will simply beat out all the competitors. Atleast you all have to agree that this interior is better than mustang and charger :)

I hope and pray its very far from being finalized.

My guess is, being on a mule, what you see is what you're going to get, with upgraded materials and obviously the proper fit and finish.

I believe Guy said GM intends to make the Camaro's interior a world standard, or something to that effect -- but I'm afraid all we'll get is a Mustang interior with better materials and gimmicky console guages.

...give GM a chance and I full belief that the final production will simply beat out all the competitors. Atleast you all have to agree that this interior is better than mustang and charger :)


GM has made some of the worst interiors in history, and still propagate things like junk parts bin steering wheels even in their most prized halo cars. They need more than a world class CTS and a good for it's class malibu before they're given the benefit of the doubt. The problem wit this interior isn't even the materials or fit and finish. It's the whole concept / design.

I used to think the mustang interior was as bad as it got until i saw this. The charger interior isn't great, but at least it doesn't look like a rehash of a cheap car from the 60s/70s.

To the people that say who cares about the interior in a performance car....talk about missing the boat completely.

[QUOTE=Z28Wilson;5084591
I believe Guy said GM intends to make the Camaro's interior a world standard, or something to that effect -- but I'm afraid all we'll get is a Mustang interior with better materials and gimmicky console guages.[/QUOTE]

That's what i'm afraid of too. and i know several people who thought about buying mustangs that changed their mind when they saw the interior.

Geez,

I was going to give myself a chance to let the retro interior grow on me but after seeing that I have a dry heave from puking. Lord that is hideously ugly.

I hope they “round” things off a little, especially in the speedo/tach area. I was really hoping for more of a cockpit type interior. I hate the column-mounted ignition. I’m a big fan of a dash mounted ignition. I know that’s just plain ol’ picky but it’s what I like.

I’m not going to jump ship just yet. I’ve been waiting for this car for a long time so I’m going to hold off judgment and let the Camaro team read the replies on this and other sites. I hope that they will make some adjustments and give us some better news about the interior.

It's still very far away from production. So for now I'll just hold my breath and pray for something more aesthetically pleasing.

WTF am I supposed to do with mission critical gauges such as oil pressure and coolant temp in that dumbass location?

That's just f'n stupid. I never thought they would allow aesthetics to trump function with something like that.

Lessee..... 140mph on the main straightaway.... I really need to be keeping a better eye on the fluids.....that oil pressure gauge was down here somewhere..... 205 ft tick by every second.... ah, there it is.... what does that read... can't really be sure... oh look, I missed my brake marker.....

Substitute the above for a crowded highway commute if you like.

:rolleyes: I agree, I would like to keep the gauges where they are, but somehow be able to monitor them from the dash. I look at my gauges constantly. In the case of this picture, I may be looking at the floor more then the road. Maybe a HUD for gauges?

MUAH HA HA HA! The plan is working perfectly, all you naysayers can go buy your corvettes, bmw's and whatnots... I'll be able to get my camaro for MSRP the first week it comes out now :lol:

*Being sarcastic, chill :D

The radio has little boobs.:eek:

you know I am very impressed with this pic. I simply love it and I bet the version will satisfy everyone. I ask you all to give GM a chance and I full belief that the final production will simply beat out all the competitors. Atleast you all have to agree that this interior is better than mustang and charger :)

Actually, I think this interior is definatly WORSE than both the Mustang and Charger. People are not reacting negatively to the fit and finnish, or color of materials, it is the design...........and this design WILL be the production design. With so much emphasis GM has been placing on interiors, it floors me to think that this is what will be in the car. That might be the most retro interior of any car on the market currently.

This will be like the interior of the first gen CTS. This kind of kitchy-funky-old interior might be passable on a low volume car, but on a car that is supposed to be higher volume and appeal to all, including women, it is going to get slaughtered by the press and be a running joke, I fear.

The interior was by far the weakest aspect of the concept car, and the production car is just as bad, or worse. If I remember correctly, the interior was not well recieved by the automotive press and certainly not recived well on this message board so it would be intereting to see what data GM has on why this is the absolute correct direction.

It looks like a late 80's Toyota or Nissan dash.

Well, I think it's pretty clear that most of us are disappointed with the interior pictures.

I think if they just toned it down a bit I would really like it. It's way too in your face....too big and too rounded looking. As someone here said before...It looks like a honda spaceship interior (that made me laugh).

IMO, let the exterior and motor be in your face. Just give me a nice QUALITY, functional and comfortable (I'm 6'3") interior with a cool steering wheel and shifter.

I too understand what you are saying but why in the hell should I have to turn to the aftermarket for proper gauges on a $30K+ performance car from the (for now) world's largest automaker?

I count myself as lucky that my car doesn't have the idiot gauges some cars do (like my wife's GP or the LS1 cars). For that matter, my truck's gauges move as you would expect as well. That trans temp gauge is sort of useful when you're towing, just like the oil pressure and coolant temp would be on a perfomance car.

Why even offer gauges at all if that's where you're going to put them?

The placement of those gauges really pisses me off.


You shouldn't have to, but sadly automakers simply don't seem to think they are essential. A red light tells you to go to the dealership. That's all they want you to know. I'm not saying it's right, but it seems to be that way nowadays and it's not just GM. As an enthusiast, I think you have every right to desire, perhaps even expect it, but the fact also remains that probably 8 out of 10 owners either never look at or do not understand these readouts.

Maybe they'll offer a "rally gauge" package or something that provides additional instruments in the cluster? Though I doubt it.

Really, a "$30k plus" performance car is still a bargain in today's auto marketplace where millions upon millions drop that on any number of mundane and uninspiring modes of transport without batting an eye and the price of "economy cars" is creeping up on $20k.

Unfortunately fellas, with the Gauge pack down in the center console, and the 20" wheels, this is the uplevel, Z28 Model. Im goign to wait until accurate pics are shown. The design will be the same, but im sure the camera is throwing proportions off slightly. It is also too late for GM to redesign an interior, these things take years to do. This design was started back in 2004

I LOVE the interior.

However, all this talk about the inside. Did anyone else notice what they did to the headlights??? It looks as if they have a tube shaped round parking light in there or something???

Headlights aren't finished yet.....those are from Autozone...or someplace like that.

Unfortunately fellas, with the Gauge pack down in the center console, and the 20" wheels, this is the uplevel, Z28 Model. Im goign to wait until accurate pics are shown. The design will be the same, but im sure the camera is throwing proportions off slightly. It is also too late for GM to redesign an interior, these things take years to do. This design was started back in 2004

I would have my doubts that any of these cars are "z28's." It's been beaten to death, but I believe the consensus was that the Z28 was the top dog and won't be out until 2010. Why would GM be messing with something they have 2 years to finish? It's more likely a high end V-6 or V-8 car. The gauges are probably standard on all V-8's (optional on the V-6?). The wheels will probably be optional on most models.

Dont base your purchasing decision on blurry spy pics. Where have I heard that before? :-)

I need to get an 06 GTO ASAP before the prices go up due to higher demand after seeing 2010 Camaro interior shots.

While I understand this is a a mule, the overall theme just does not translate well. It looks like a modernized caricature of a 1st Gen interior.

The controls on the bottom of the radio look like the control pads on a Sega Genisis controller. I am most saddened that it appears the DIC has disappearef from the grey strip above the HVAC controls.

I don't this interior.

I trust GM to not let the production interior look like that. :)

Loved the concept's interior.. don't like this one so much... The stereo/atmospheric control system is HUGE and destroys the streamline in the concept. A half height form factor (like every other non-GM stereo) with the atmospheric controls to the left would probably work fine.

The center console gages look horrible and remind me of my buddy's Mercury Cougar display. The top gages are not as recessed from the bottom as they are in the concept. I realize that's probably for visibility reasons but if you didn't have the mega stereo block, blocking the view then that wouldn't be an issue.

Air vents are okay, but I still prefer the concept's as well.

the silver plastic just doesn't work and that gear shift base (ridged plastic) greatly -GREATLY- adds to the "cheap" feel. Brushed or polished Aluminum and a polished aluminum base as in the concept (or Chrome!) At the very least, GM should offer it as an option.

You know I am really dissapointed at the response all you are giving. Not at the fact at not liking the interior, but not giving GM a chance. You know, i remember when that infamous white Camaro with the front bra came out and all you started going on a rant. Now, when the preproduction exterior is shown on the other thread, all you start liking it. First of all the interior is not even complete, so please, if we all give it some time, i hope the interior is better than the one in this pic (Even though i just LOVE this interior). Remember, GM just cant FAIL on this car.

You know I am really dissapointed at the response all you are giving. Not at the fact at not liking the interior, but not giving GM a chance. You know, i remember when that infamous white Camaro with the front bra came out and all you started going on a rant. Now, when the preproduction exterior is shown on the other thread, all you start liking it. First of all the interior is not even complete, so please, if we all give it some time, i hope the interior is better than the one in this pic (Even though i just LOVE this interior). Remember, GM just cant FAIL on this car.
Agreed. It just goes to show, how fickle and melodramatic some car enthusiasts can be. I hope people can learn to take these rough pix with a huge grain of salt. A LOT of parts are missing from that interior, are preliminary, or are ill-fit due to not being essential no doubt for testing. So chill out folks.

As for the design overall. To me it's a breath of fresh air in modern automotive offerings, to see the twin-gage pod up top and the assorted small gauges down on the console. What other modern car has that configuration? It makes the new Camaro totally unique, and is true to its heritage (remember all the folks moaning about the LSx GTO not 'deserving' its name? :rolleyes: ). And what's this hogwash about not being able to easily access console gauges? That's a perfectly good location, IMO.

I'm going to withhold any final judgements on this interior until the time I actually sit in (better yet, drive) a production Camaro.

Everyone is so busy complaining about the interior... have you seen the naked and unmasked pic released by GM yet?

http://www.indycamaro.com/images/camaro_fl.jpg

Looking at the interior some more, it has a vey "kit-car" look to the design, and has nothing to do with fitment of the components. From the Mikey Mouse gauge cluster, to the goofy, non-integrated radio and hvac controls, down to the add-on floor gauges, on to the flat, boring vents. If it had a Momo steering wheel, the look would be complete.

I don't get "sporty" from this design. I can't wait until they upgrade to the 2nd gen Camaro interior.

The intrerior seems to be my area of lowest approval I will reserve judgement until I sit in one. I know GM will make the fit, finish, feel and materials up to the level seen in the Aura, Enclave, CTS, and Malibu but the overall design isn't the best IMO. I do think some extra contrasting color from the doors to the dash will help immensly and I'd expect that on the production cars.

As for this being the finished interior I'd say that it's got to be very production close. There will be tweaks but car companies don't build prototypes without the most current parts they have for the car. That's what they are testing for. When the car gets to this level of testing most of the design/styling work is long done. Not to mention that this was the basic design of the concept and had they made a change it would certainly have been visiable by now in these shots less than 1yr from production. The car is basicly done but now it's being tested to make sure it works and in call conditions and places.

http://www.indycamaro.com/images/camaro_fl.jpg

Holy sunroof batman!!!

I'm sold on the console gauges.

Im starting my shopping list now.

carbon fiber kit to cover the chrome on the dash.

white overlays for the gauges.

Sawzall and BFH for radio/hvac.

Couple more things I noticed:

1. The lock/unlock button is in the center stack next to the emergency flasher button.

2. The cupholders aren't in front of the shifter, or in the doors, so that means they're probably behind the shifter. Hmm...Works in my GTI because they're sunken, but with a big table-top console--I wonder if we'll have more spilled pop/coffee in the 5th gen.

3. Looks like the Square key/round key is gone, and we might just get an all-in-one key/remote.

4. There's space in-between the speedo and tach, which hints at a DIC or possibly some kind of display like we get in Volkswagens with menus and various settings (locks/alarm/headlights/blinkers/compass/etc).

5. Looks like there's no lock rods sticking up out of the door panels--all electronic?

6. Quality adjustable seats - adjust the lean via knob instead of wonky lever, and also plastic-backed.

7. Tilt/telescope steering wheel

8. Are those Homelink buttons or sunroof controls in the roof console?

...The more I look, the more I like!!! :cool:

As for the design overall. To me it's a breath of fresh air in modern automotive offerings, to see the twin-gage pod up top and the assorted small gauges down on the console. What other modern car has that configuration? It makes the new Camaro totally unique, and is true to its heritage (remember all the folks moaning about the LSx GTO not 'deserving' its name? :rolleyes: ).


If by fresh you mean 40 years old, then yes and if by unique, you mean puzzling, then yes also.


And what's this hogwash about not being able to easily access console gauges? That's a perfectly good location, IMO.

You think this is a good location for gauges? Then what is the purpose of having HUD? Why do people reject center gauge pods? Why do automakers take great consideration in making the gauges easy to read with minimal user distraction from the road? That is why steering wheel controls were invented. That's why hands free devices were invented. It is not bad because it is different, it is bad because it is ignoring consumer habits and is not useful. What they did was take the retro theme of the vehicle too far and kept design elements from the original car that have dissappeared for a reason, and they kept them just to satisfy those that are looking for that nostalgia of an old muscle car.

I don't mean to be harsh really, I am just puzzled by the choices GM has made with this interior. I was actually warming up to thinking about purchasing the car when it came out, provided that it had a decent interior, and it wasn't a tank. Sorry, but the interior as it stands now, is a deal breaker.

Looks like a lot of you are so focused on the UNFINISHED and UNOFFICIAL interior to notice that also today the OFFICIAL pre-production exterior has been posted.

:lol:

If by fresh you mean 40 years old, then yes and if by unique, you mean puzzling, then yes also.
I agree that's a paradox. I happen to also like the new Challenger. I consider that car a fresh design too, in spite of its obvious cloning of the original. Both are 'fresh' because they defy the 'standard dogma' of what cars should be like in 2009. I'm tired of the same old, HVAC/stereo stack seen on SO MANY cars today. I'm glad the new Camaro is different, that's all.

You think this is a good location for gauges? Then what is the purpose of having HUD? Why do people reject center gauge pods? Why do automakers take great consideration in making the gauges easy to read with minimal user distraction from the road? That is why steering wheel controls were invented. That's why hands free devices were invented. It is not bad because it is different, it is bad because it is ignoring consumer habits and is not useful. What they did was take the retro theme of the vehicle too far and kept design elements from the original car that have dissappeared for a reason, and they kept them just to satisfy those that are looking for that nostalgia of an old muscle car.

I don't mean to be harsh really, I am just puzzled by the choices GM has made with this interior. I was actually warming up to thinking about purchasing the car when it came out, provided that it had a decent interior, and it wasn't a tank. Sorry, but the interior as it stands now, is a deal breaker.
Sure, I like HUD's. But as has been said, there's a lot that is not currently known about this car's production interior. You can see even from 97Quasar's post above, we're still discovering (and speculating!) on what all will be in this interior. I wonder if some here would suddenly change their minds, if they found out there was a DIC between the two large gauges pictured? (I don't know if there is such a thing, but does anyone here know there is NOT?). Such a DIC might have options to show other gauge readings, or even speed, like was available in my 05 GTO.

And this idea of the raw shots of this mule interior being a 'deal breaker'... seems awfully premature, IMHO. The new Camaro has a lot of other advantages in its court, value proposition and exterior styling for example, and it seems way too early to make such generalizations.

The exterior is growing on me (still want to see it in person before passing my own judgement though). The interior....based on the photos in this thread.....wow. No thanks. I guess I was expecting something a lot different.

The interior looks totally GAY! I sure as hell hope it is not finished! Absolute nightmare. :barf:


The exterior is ok, don't like the back much though.

Looks like a lot of you are so focused on the UNFINISHED and UNOFFICIAL interior to notice that also today the OFFICIAL pre-production exterior has been posted.

:lol:

No I think we have beaten both horses pretty good!

And this idea of the raw shots of this mule interior being a 'deal breaker'... seems awfully premature, IMHO. The new Camaro has a lot of other advantages in its court, value proposition and exterior styling for example, and it seems way too early to make such generalizations.


If I thought there was even a remote chance that this interior would change, then I wouldn't say it was a "deal breaker", but since it is nearly identical to the concept with production touches, I can assume that this is what we will get. No big deal, it's just not for me. A used C6 is a much better fit for me all around.

And this idea of the raw shots of this mule interior being a 'deal breaker'... seems awfully premature, IMHO. The new Camaro has a lot of other advantages in its court, value proposition and exterior styling for example, and it seems way too early to make such generalizations.

I agree completely, but there have been "deal breaker" factions on this board way back before we even had a concept to see.

Lets see...there's

The No-IRS dealbreaker club
The No-live-axle dealbreaker club
the over-3,000 lbs dealbreaker club
the over-3,500 lbs dealbreaker club
the over 3.800 lbs dealbreaker club
the no-t-tops dealbreaker club
the price-dealbreaker club
the no-entry-level-v8 dealbreaker club
the no-Firebird dealbreaker club
The exterior-doesn't-look-enough-like-the-concept dealbreaker club
the cammo-spy-pics-don't-look-good dealbreaker club
The I-just-don't-like-it dealbreaker club

...and now the spy-pics-of-a-clearly-unfinished-interior dealbreaker club.

As for me, nothing is a dealbreaker. I am disappointed in some aspects of the interior, but am willing to hold out for pics of a finished version.

I also suspsect that things that look goofy in the pics will look/feel entirely different once you're sitting in the car and have the proper driver's perspective of the interior.

Anyone see an emergency brake???

Wow, GM quiets the lynch mob over the leaked camera-phone pic and there isn't even a single day's peace before interior shots stoke the fires again. We are surely driving Scott to drink.

I am now much happier about the exterior, and the interior will surely look 10X better in production trim. Cheap looking switchgear & gauge faces don't concern me much at this point in development. But man that is a big honkin' radio (esp. the way the dash balloons out just to accomodate the width of it), and steering wheel. And the console gauges may be falling into the "careful what you wish for" category as they looked much better in the concepts, with the top two recessed further into the dash.

First off: wow. I love that they've stuck so close to concept. Obviously it isn't finished yet but I love what I'm seeing. Really very different from the hypermodern Saab interior I have now. LOVE the lack of loads of buttons.
This is certainly different, and I'm not sure how well it's going to be liked by the 20-something/early 30's crowd...
23 here, love it.
MUAH HA HA HA! The plan is working perfectly, all you naysayers can go buy your corvettes, bmw's and whatnots... I'll be able to get my camaro for MSRP the first week it comes out now :lol:

*Being sarcastic, chill :D
Good point. You naysayers go off and buy something else and we other will buy this lovely car :D


And Scott, don't listen to these people. Anyone with half a head full of braincells knows that this will look better in production. Keep up the good work! :)

It's a mule. So dont really expect the interior to be fit and finished. But that shifter needs to go. The Key is way to big. And the seats look barrowed for the cobalt. What does the sticker across the dash board say? I can only read the last word as "Fuel"

I think it says less than 10 liters of fuel.

Originally Posted by 97QuasarBlue3.8 View Post
This is certainly different, and I'm not sure how well it's going to be liked by the 20-something/early 30's crowd...

I just turned 27 a few weeks ago... I FRIGGIN LOVE IT :bow:

http://www.chirpthird.com/vb/showpost.php?p=116995&postcount=15

While I understand this is a a mule, the overall theme just does not translate well. It looks like a modernized caricature of a 1st Gen interior.

The controls on the bottom of the radio look like the control pads on a Sega Genisis controller. I am most saddened that it appears the DIC has disappearef from the grey strip above the HVAC controls.

These are not Mules, these are "Prototypes", the mules were hacked up commodores. Prototypes are built off of production tools and assembled in house. These are made of the parts getting ready for the actual camaros, so they will not change except for fit and finish which gets tuned in by the different suppliers. What you see is what you get. And yes, these are the uplevel versions because not all are getting the gauge pack under the radio, its a z28 option

I agree completely, but there have been "deal breaker" factions on this board way back before we even had a concept to see.

Lets see...there's

The No-IRS dealbreaker club
The No-live-axle dealbreaker club
the over-3,000 lbs dealbreaker club
the over-3,500 lbs dealbreaker club
the over 3.800 lbs dealbreaker club
the no-t-tops dealbreaker club
the price-dealbreaker club
the no-entry-level-v8 dealbreaker club
the no-Firebird dealbreaker club
The exterior-doesn't-look-enough-like-the-concept dealbreaker club
the cammo-spy-pics-don't-look-good dealbreaker club
The I-just-don't-like-it dealbreaker club

...and now the spy-pics-of-a-clearly-unfinished-interior dealbreaker club.

As for me, nothing is a dealbreaker. I am disappointed in some aspects of the interior, but am willing to hold out for pics of a finished version.

I also suspsect that things that look goofy in the pics will look/feel entirely different once you're sitting in the car and have the proper driver's perspective of the interior.

You forgot to include the diametric opposite....to wit...The "I'll buy it no matter what it looks like/runs/costs/weighs so long as it says Camaro" Club.

;)


And Scott, don't listen to these people. Anyone with half a head full of braincells knows that this will look better in production. Keep up the good work! :)

LOL. That's funny. "My way or the highway!"

Not that it matters what anybody says at this point in the game.

I really want to resist forming an opinion until I see the final product. But holysh!t, this has got to be the ugliest interior I can ever remember seeing.

This may be a deal killer for me.


I don't for one minute believe that you want to resist forming an opinion until you see the final product..... -- you have never held back on forming an opinion --

.......and that's all I'll say for now.

What you see is what you get. And yes, these are the uplevel versions because not all are getting the gauge pack under the radio, its a z28 option

Care to elaborate on this point. Do you know that this is a Z/28 spec interior as opposed to a SS or V6 interior? I would ask that if the guage pack is moved from under the radio on some models where would it go and what would be in it's place?

Looks like a lot of you are so focused on the UNFINISHED and UNOFFICIAL interior to notice that also today the OFFICIAL pre-production exterior has been posted.

:lol:

that or the fact that weve already seen what it is pretty much going to look like for years but were told the interior was going to change the most. It was the thing we had all been dieing to see.

And if people are like me, and im guessing there is a decent amount of them. They are just so disheartened by the design, NOT the fit and finish, that they almost dont even care anymore. Ive been waiting for this car for years, and been wanting it for so damn long. when i saw the leaked red camaro the couple days before it was released i nearly shed a tear because i thought it was so damn good looking. I couldnt have asked for anything better. but then i saw the interior. didnt like it but thought it was ok - i could live with it. over the years i started to not dislike it as much (still never fond of it) but i think its so much worse now.

the vents are ok
i dont like the steering wheel and the squared gauges behind it but i can deal with it. but thats about all i can deal with.
i hate how the auxilliary guages are down where they are. i look at those gauges all the time. not only is it an inconvenience but as alluded to before, its dangerous. if it comes with HUD where u can get all the same information on or if the area between the main guages has a screen where u can get the information then fine, but i would rather see that space used in a better way, like a slot to put things.
i seriously hate the radio/ac setup and look. i dont like how it sticks out. i dont like how its round. i dont like how parts stick out from it even more than it is already sticking out.

im going to wait and see it for myself in person to reserve final judgement, but im not too optimistic.

You forgot to include the diametric opposite....to wit...The "I'll buy it no matter what it looks like/runs/costs/weighs so long as it says Camaro" Club.


.

By far, the scariest faction because....


Although vocal on boards like this, they'll never buy enough of them to make or break the car, IF they buy that is....and IF they buy new or used.

I agree completely, but there have been "deal breaker" factions on this board way back before we even had a concept to see.

Lets see...there's

The No-IRS dealbreaker club
The No-live-axle dealbreaker club
the over-3,000 lbs dealbreaker club
the over-3,500 lbs dealbreaker club
the over 3.800 lbs dealbreaker club
the no-t-tops dealbreaker club
the price-dealbreaker club
the no-entry-level-v8 dealbreaker club
the no-Firebird dealbreaker club
The exterior-doesn't-look-enough-like-the-concept dealbreaker club
the cammo-spy-pics-don't-look-good dealbreaker club
The I-just-don't-like-it dealbreaker club

...and now the spy-pics-of-a-clearly-unfinished-interior dealbreaker club.

As for me, nothing is a dealbreaker. I am disappointed in some aspects of the interior, but am willing to hold out for pics of a finished version.

I also suspsect that things that look goofy in the pics will look/feel entirely different once you're sitting in the car and have the proper driver's perspective of the interior.
100% Agreed. I'd forgotten about some of those dramas ;)

I don't for one minute believe that you want to resist forming an opinion until you see the final product..... -- you have never held back on forming an opinion --

.......and that's all I'll say for now.

Oh yeah Scott, believe me, I'm holding back - BIG TIME!

This thread has certainly livened up this forum. :)

LOL. That's funny. "My way or the highway!"

Not that it matters what anybody says at this point in the game.
*sigh* I did not say that. I said that anyone thinking it will look exactly like this in production are deluding themselves.

And yes, it doesn't matter. So we'll just ahve to wait and see :)

Anyone see an emergency brake???


Wonder if it'll have an e-brake button instead a handbrake.

The concept interior worked because it really played the clean/minimalistic card. I am not so sure the preproduction interior design works since they had to add so much other "stuff" we need in modern cars (radios, etc.).

The main problem, as I see it, is the interior doesn't quite know what it wants to be and doesn't look like it shares any common design elements with the exterior. The exterior has sharp creases and a very sporting appearance. The interior looks overly rounded and bloated (especially with the AC control area "overlapping" the radio). It makes everything look a bit pudgy. Add to that the huge vents that do not share any lines with the stack below it and it creates for a very busy center section, next to an almost completely empty area in front of the passenger. It just seems to be confused. Very clean/empty in some parts/busy in others; crisp exterior/rounded interior, etc.

Then, you add the tall, thin, squared off gauge pods and it further adds to the "disjointed" design feel (at least to me).

Too bad to, because I think this interior could have looked great (and there is no denying it will look better when finished).

Who knows, maybe it is just the pics, and maybe I will like it better in person, but my "anticipation meter" just dropped a few notches.

The interior of the Mustang kept me from buying it, and it could happen again. Bummer to, because I love everything else about this car (so far).

Though, I am really glad to see the exterior shots -- they look great!!!

I agree completely, but there have been "deal breaker" factions on this board way back before we even had a concept to see.

The get rid of the retro interior dealbreak crowd has existed since the concept was frst introduced. This guy sums up how i feel pretty well...

that or the fact that weve already seen what it is pretty much going to look like for years but were told the interior was going to change the most. It was the thing we had all been dieing to see.

And if people are like me, and im guessing there is a decent amount of them. They are just so disheartened by the design, NOT the fit and finish, that they almost dont even care anymore.

A lot of those deal breakers are from hardcore people who want a camaro exactly their way. The public at large doesn't care about weight, or live axles, etc. The mustang is selling pretty well even with it's almost as bad retro dash, but it will have been out for 5 years and will probably be refreshed by the time this even more retro and esoteric layout comes to market. Maybe the public accepts it, maybe they don't. People need to keep in mind that camaro doesn't have nearly the name cache of mustang though, it needs real conquest buyers, and i'm not sure a retro interior is going to make it in a field of sporty coupe and sedans with modern looks and amenities.

I just don't get it. When the concept came out, great pains were taken to quash all talk of the 5th gen being retro, it was to be a *heritage* design, not a retro facsimile of an old car. And i agree with that about the exterior. But why, oh why, did they have to go over the top caricature retro on the interior.

I agree completely, but there have been "deal breaker" factions on this board way back before we even had a concept to see.

Lets see...there's

The No-IRS dealbreaker club
The No-live-axle dealbreaker club
the over-3,000 lbs dealbreaker club
the over-3,500 lbs dealbreaker club
the over 3.800 lbs dealbreaker club
the no-t-tops dealbreaker club
the price-dealbreaker club
the no-entry-level-v8 dealbreaker club
the no-Firebird dealbreaker club
The exterior-doesn't-look-enough-like-the-concept dealbreaker club
the cammo-spy-pics-don't-look-good dealbreaker club
The I-just-don't-like-it dealbreaker club

...and now the spy-pics-of-a-clearly-unfinished-interior dealbreaker club.

As for me, nothing is a dealbreaker. I am disappointed in some aspects of the interior, but am willing to hold out for pics of a finished version.

I also suspsect that things that look goofy in the pics will look/feel entirely different once you're sitting in the car and have the proper driver's perspective of the interior.


Chris -- great post.

By far, the scariest faction because....


Although vocal on boards like this, they'll never buy enough of them to make or break the car, IF they buy that is....and IF they buy new or used.


I don't agree -- because the very people you're talking about are the same people you keep telling us we must appeal to -- those who see the car and just have to have one.........

I think Chris got it right -- this board has too many people claiming 'deal-breaker' --

People just need to keep an open mind and wait until the finished product is shown at the end of the summer/fall **wink wink** as Scott would say.

I can say that I was sold on the car 2 years ago :)

I think Chris got it right -- this board has too many people claiming 'deal-breaker' --


I'm not too sure how to respond to that. Are we all supposed to say it is great? Reality is, different people have different criteria for buying a car, and if it doesn't meet those need, then that is a potential "deal breaker", surprise. I would have to say that no one wants to like this car more than those on this board, so if there are concerns, then that might say something. To say that there are too many people that might balk at buying the new Camaro seems like an odd statement.

As far as forming an opinion too early, I would bet that if the final version is different than what that person thought was a deal breaker, they would gladly change thier mind. I don't think anyone here wants to hate the car.

Well, I was on board until the design direction of the interior was revealed. I know it will look better when finished, but the Disco Stu gauge cluster and console gauges are what they are. There's no going back now. Nothing before this was considered a "deal breaker" to me. Not even the lack of T-tops, which I love and which has been such a key element of what makes a Camaro a Camaro in my eyes. Not even the rumored porky weight.

I'm waiting to see the finished product, but it's the summation of a lot of "little" things that I have seen and heard on the car so far that is, sadly, driving down my interest. I really hope I don't get blasted for that, and I apologize if I offend anyone (especially the Camaro team, as I can't imagine how hard everyone at GM has worked on this car). It's just how I feel. :shrug:

EDIT: Sneaky Neil, well said.

Ok, here is my 0.02.

I hate it, and I had a feeling I would.

The positive, judging by the door panel, the materials are going to be nice.

The negative, it's just wrong. I think GM did an excellent job of squeezing out the heritage without making the car retro on the outside. Then they ran out of coffee and doughnuts or something because the interior was always, to me, retro and a rip off. The only reason it was passable on the concept is because they used concept materials with whiz bang lights and surfaces, so it matched the "future/retro" thing that happens on the outside.

But obviously > 10% of that would be production feasible, and you would be left with what we see here, a few less than well integrated retro touches and a less than functional interior. :|

Yes, I'm aware this could all change substantially but... I hate every interior that doesen't have a defined center stack, makes me think bench seat trips adhered to vinyl. This one is especially egregious because its an amorphous dash-blob that has hard edges jutting out in some places and round edges in others. It looks :confused:

Those knobs for the vent direction are floating there like the last two sad Cheerios' in a very tragic bowl. Even if the lower gauges weren't useless I certainly won't be able to see them in 1st, 3rd, or 5th, past my paws. Plus it seems to be lacking in usable space downlow to store a cell phone, a beverage, a mp3 player, the lack of such space, or even such space poorly executed would be a deal breaker for a large number of people so I'm sure that's going to change. Also that steering wheel is odd looking. Looks like the center piece is lower than center.

Thoroughly unappealing.

The get rid of the retro interior dealbreak crowd has existed since the concept was frst introduced.


Yeah, I forgot all about the "just-say-no-to-retro dealbreaker" crowd that was around pre-concept. Lets just say membership in that group tanked after NAIAS 2006. There's still some hardcore adherants, though, just like with all the other absolutist groups.

I really don't know if I'll be in a position to buy a new one of these next year (or even in the next several years), with family coming first and all (Maybe Scott can tell my wife how great child seats will fit in the back). But I am still as passionate and hopeful about this car as I've ever been, maybe just not as vocal though.

But nothing is a dealbreaker for me. I have said this consistently for 2 years now, but I will judge the car on its own merits once a complete, production car is available to evaluate. Its about the whole package guys.

Even if the lower gauges weren't useless I certainly won't be able to see them in 1st, 3rd, or 5th, past my paws. There's something I'm not comprehending here. Several posters have been wringing their hands about reading those 'mission-critical' gauges. I've got to say, most people aren't sweating their oil pressure while they shift, in a modern car... much less, volts or temp. Talk about stuck in the 1960's...

For as critical as I've been lately, I really f*cking like the interior.

Well, I was on board until the design direction of the interior was revealed. I know it will look better when finished, but the Disco Stu gauge cluster and console gauges are what they are. There's no going back now. Nothing before this was considered a "deal breaker" to me. Not even the lack of T-tops, which I love and which has been such a key element of what makes a Camaro a Camaro in my eyes. Not even the rumored porky weight.

I'm waiting to see the finished product, but it's the summation of a lot of "little" things that I have seen and heard on the car so far that is, sadly, driving down my interest. I really hope I don't get blasted for that, and I apologize if I offend anyone (especially the Camaro team, as I can't imagine how hard everyone at GM has worked on this car). It's just how I feel. :shrug:

EDIT: Sneaky Neil, well said.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion - and it's for sure, this car will not be for everyone in the US. I think though, some are not being realistic about this car. T-tops? How exactly would you propose that GM engineer such things in a 2009 vehicle, meeting tough, modern side impact and rollover regs, at the Camaro's bargain price point? I love them too... but come on. And curb weight - well that dead horse has most definitely been beat here :rolleyes:

Bottom line, I'd bet that many here who are complaining about the interior are not Camaro intenders anyway, due to other reasons not related to the car's unique interior. That's their choice too... but it helps to cite these other reasons if that's the case, like the above member has done.

I can't believe how people act on the internet...

I saw the headline "NEWS: Spy Shots: 2009 Chevy Camaro caught- interior too!" and my heart jumped... for joy. The pictures could not load fast enough! I don't know what kind of moron you have to be to frequent these forums and read what the guys (and gals) at GM are posting and see the concept cars and see the all the spy pics that have made it on to the internet and how everything that they have been saying for months is true...

'The body lines have changed very little from the concept'
'The car has changed very little from the concept'
'We're trying to keep it as close as we can to the concept'
'Just wait until you see the final product, you won't be disappointed'

I have loved since I was little and that guy on the cartoon "Mask" had that red IROC-Z with gullwing doors and rocket boosters under the rear wing. The first car I ever bought was a brick red '86 Camaro. I bought it a few months before I graduated high school. I didn't care it was bone stock. I didn't care it was heavier than a mustang. I didn't care what the interior design was like. I didn't care it didn't have T-tops. It was a Camaro. When I totaled it 5 years later the weekend before I was going to propose to my now wife, the question wasn't "what kind of car do I want now?" but "Which Camaro will I get?" I ended up getting a '94 Z28. It might not be the best car ever, but it is a Camaro. I might not like the aftermarket shift knob or the big wing on the back or the rims or the air vents that are painted blue, but it is a Camaro (I got what I could afford at the time).

And in 2006 when the Camaro concept was first shown, my heart was set. "As long as it is even remotely close to that and wears the Camaro badge, I want one." I thought. Any little tid bit of news about it makes my heart race. I get giddy every time a new picture appears. I don't know how I'll be able to afford one when it does finally arrive, especially with a baby on the way now. But I will get one, even if I have to wait a year or two longer and get one that one of you nay-sayers trade in because you just can't live with those gauges on the center console or the interior is just too ugly. I keep both eyes and ears peeled for chances to win one. (I think I have accidentally registered to win bumblebee a few times, oops! :eek:)

Camaro just have something that no other car does, I don't know what it is, call it an X-Factor. They might not please everyone, they might have valve stem seals that need to be replaced always, they might have an opti-spark that likes crapping out and getting pissed on by the water pump, it might weigh more than a mustang and be slower but it still and will be a Camaro and that, for me, makes it cooler to own and drive than anything else.

There's something I'm not comprehending here. Several posters have been wringing their hands about reading those 'mission-critical' gauges. I've got to say, most people aren't sweating their oil pressure while they shift, in a modern car... much less, volts or temp. Talk about stuck in the 1960's...

Hell, I rarely bother to look at the speedo while I'm driving. But it can't be said that the location adds anything to functionality, so why are they there?

Because they chose form over function, which would be fine if they had chosen one form, but instead I've got squares, circles, octagons and ovals all over the place.

The interior is not at all modern and I do not like that. Now this won't stop me from going and checking it out when it gets to the auto show or the dealer, and perhaps once you get inside, in the appropriate seating position, some of the wierdness dissapears and it all works.

But right now, I'm quite displeased. I was not, and am not, one of the all or nothing people and more than understand that sacrifices will have to be made, for cost, safety etc. But none of that applies here, and to me this just looks like a string of bad decisions. I think the real issue here is that I do not understand the thought process that created this. Of course, I've never been in 69 Camaro interior either. And it's possible my interpretation "modern" of this car was different from the creators "retro" from the beggining, and only now is that becoming obvious. In any case, I'm dissapointed.

Of course, I'm riled up right now and being emphatic... but at this point I would say best case scenario is that it comes out and I find it passable.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion - and it's for sure, this car will not be for everyone in the US. I think though, some are not being realistic about this car. T-tops? How exactly would you propose that GM engineer such things in a 2009 vehicle, meeting tough, modern side impact and rollover regs, at the Camaro's bargain price point? I love them too... but come on. And curb weight - well that dead horse has most definitely been beat here :rolleyes:

Bottom line, I'd bet that many here who are complaining about the interior are not Camaro intenders anyway, due to other reasons not related to the car's unique interior. That's their choice too... but it helps to cite these other reasons if that's the case, like the above member has done.

You are assuming that people have to accept certain facts about the car, weather it be the lack of T-tops or a curb weight that is approaching 2 tons. No one has to accept anything. If that person doesn't want to buy the car simply because it doesn't have t-tops, then who are you to say they are wrong and should "be realistic" and take certain concessions? No. If they don't want to buy the car for any reason, they have that right and are not wrong for doing so, no matter how small the nit-pick might be. Why do some think that just because it is a Camaro, we should all acept and buy the car, even if they are aspects that we don't like.

You think that the people that don't like the interior are not interested in the car to begin with? What makes you think that? I hate the interior, and I have only owned Camaros up to this point and I am looking for a car to replace my '95 Z28 and guess what I wanted it to be?.

Jesus Christ, even I didn't think the backlash would be this bad after the general public saw the interior of the car.

Even on this site, filled with enthusiasts, people are calling the interior a "deal-breaker". Since when did enthusiasts give all that much of a sh*t about interiors?

As long as the seats are reasonably comfortable and the sound system is good, I couldn't f*cking care less what the interior looks like. As long as the engine and exterior is badass, which, as it seems, certainly is the case on the Camaro.

Even on this site, filled with enthusiasts, people are calling the interior a "deal-breaker". Since when did enthusiasts give all that much of a sh*t about interiors?

As long as the seats are reasonably comfortable and the sound system is good, I couldn't f*cking care less what the interior looks like. As long as the engine and exterior is badass, which, as it seems, certainly is the case on the Camaro.

Since when was "enthusiast" limited to drag racers and lead foots?

That's the problem with preferences, they're personal. What you want is what you want. What I want is what I want.

It may not be "finished" but I do not like several aspects of the vehicle that simply WILL NOT and CANNOT change before production... i.e. the main guage cluster. It is too high and tall... causing the steering wheel opening to be so big, needing the offset steering wheel. That wheel is TERRIBLE. Looks like something you would see in a International 23 foot box truck...

I totally disagree w/ the ancillary gauges being where they are... but is just a personal taste thing. I like to check my gauges when I drive... I've always done it and always will.

I don't mind the center cluster though... Much better than the generic GM 2DIN Delco audio setup...

I think many people are jumping the gun on these interior shots, something closer to production will likely look a lot different. I've seen a lot of comments on the steering wheel, hasn't anybody else noticed that there seems to be a loosely laced leather cover acting like camo in these pics? Hmmmm, I think we have not seen anything close to the finished interior yet, much like the howls and the "sky is falling" when the white prototype in the fuzzy cell phone pic appeared. Have some faith and patience, I do.
Clyde

These are not Mules, these are "Prototypes", the mules were hacked up commodores. Prototypes are built off of production tools and assembled in house. These are made of the parts getting ready for the actual camaros, so they will not change except for fit and finish which gets tuned in by the different suppliers. What you see is what you get. And yes, these are the uplevel versions because not all are getting the gauge pack under the radio, its a z28 option

:bang:Well I'm glad to know you already have the options/specifications list, how about sharing them with the rest of us?
Clyde

I can't believe how people act on the internet...

I saw the headline "NEWS: Spy Shots: 2009 Chevy Camaro caught- interior too!" and my heart jumped... for joy. The pictures could not load fast enough! I don't know what kind of moron you have to be to frequent these forums and read what the guys (and gals) at GM are posting and see the concept cars and see the all the spy pics that have made it on to the internet and how everything that they have been saying for months is true...

'The body lines have changed very little from the concept'
'The car has changed very little from the concept'
'We're trying to keep it as close as we can to the concept'
'Just wait until you see the final product, you won't be disappointed'

I have loved since I was little and that guy on the cartoon "Mask" had that red IROC-Z with gullwing doors and rocket boosters under the rear wing. The first car I ever bought was a brick red '86 Camaro. I bought it a few months before I graduated high school. I didn't care it was bone stock. I didn't care it was heavier than a mustang. I didn't care what the interior design was like. I didn't care it didn't have T-tops. It was a Camaro. When I totaled it 5 years later the weekend before I was going to propose to my now wife, the question wasn't "what kind of car do I want now?" but "Which Camaro will I get?" I ended up getting a '94 Z28. It might not be the best car ever, but it is a Camaro. I might not like the aftermarket shift knob or the big wing on the back or the rims or the air vents that are painted blue, but it is a Camaro (I got what I could afford at the time).

And in 2006 when the Camaro concept was first shown, my heart was set. "As long as it is even remotely close to that and wears the Camaro badge, I want one." I thought. Any little tid bit of news about it makes my heart race. I get giddy every time a new picture appears. I don't know how I'll be able to afford one when it does finally arrive, especially with a baby on the way now. But I will get one, even if I have to wait a year or two longer and get one that one of you nay-sayers trade in because you just can't live with those gauges on the center console or the interior is just too ugly. I keep both eyes and ears peeled for chances to win one. (I think I have accidentally registered to win bumblebee a few times, oops! :eek:)

Camaro just have something that no other car does, I don't know what it is, call it an X-Factor. They might not please everyone, they might have valve stem seals that need to be replaced always, they might have an opti-spark that likes crapping out and getting pissed on by the water pump, it might weigh more than a mustang and be slower but it still and will be a Camaro and that, for me, makes it cooler to own and drive than anything else.

So true! The Camaro is special and one of a kind. The new one carries on the tradition in style. Its exterior styling is a work of modern art :bow:

You are assuming that people have to accept certain facts about the car, weather it be the lack of T-tops or a curb weight that is approaching 2 tons. No one has to accept anything. If that person doesn't want to buy the car simply because it doesn't have t-tops, then who are you to say they are wrong and should "be realistic" and take certain concessions? No. If they don't want to buy the car for any reason, they have that right and are not wrong for doing so, no matter how small the nit-pick might be. Why do some think that just because it is a Camaro, we should all acept and buy the car, even if they are aspects that we don't like.

You think that the people that don't like the interior are not interested in the car to begin with? What makes you think that? I hate the interior, and I have only owned Camaros up to this point and I am looking for a car to replace my '95 Z28 and guess what I wanted it to be?.
I don't just think it... I'm certain about it. I imagine it's possible, but it's not common for a buyer to turn down a car due to just one issue such as the interior. Usually it's a combination of factors when someone decides. And as I've already said - they have every right to turn it down, criticize it, make lists of its perceived faults, and so on. But that will not stop a lot of others from still loving the car... even if it has no t-tops (like other cars in its price class)... even if it has the necessary mass and structure to meet modern safety regs... and even if it has a few offbeat interior design elements. It's a free country and I've not said people should buy the car 'just because it is a Camaro'. But I hope people here can also understand - that interior is a plus to some like me, since for example, my sister's boyfriend had a 69 Camaro he gave me rides in, and some of those trademark shapes bring back memories for me.

that or the fact that weve already seen what it is pretty much going to look like for years but were told the interior was going to change the most. It was the thing we had all been dieing to see.
I can see how some might have thought that... but that has not been my mindset. My main worry upon seeing the concept, was that the exterior styling would be ruined upon transition to production. On a car like this (value-oriented performance coupe), messing up the exterior styling might do real damage to the car's success, IMAO. But eureka! We now have several pretty good external shots of the pre-prod mules... and now even the public release by GM on FastLane, of a production Camaro. The gorgeous roofline, scooped sides, huge wheels and wheelhouses... all intact. THAT was the biggie, to me. That, along with a high-quality launch, will do more for the car's long-term success than any amount of interior tweaking.
And if people are like me, and im guessing there is a decent amount of them. They are just so disheartened by the design, NOT the fit and finish, that they almost dont even care anymore. Ive been waiting for this car for years, and been wanting it for so damn long. when i saw the leaked red camaro the couple days before it was released i nearly shed a tear because i thought it was so damn good looking. I couldnt have asked for anything better. but then i saw the interior. didnt like it but thought it was ok - i could live with it. over the years i started to not dislike it as much (still never fond of it) but i think its so much worse now.
Exterior styling matters a lot more to me, than interior. If that's not the case for you, and you don't like the interior... maybe the new Camaro is not the car for you....
the vents are ok
i dont like the steering wheel and the squared gauges behind it but i can deal with it. but thats about all i can deal with.
i hate how the auxilliary guages are down where they are. i look at those gauges all the time. not only is it an inconvenience but as alluded to before, its dangerous. if it comes with HUD where u can get all the same information on or if the area between the main guages has a screen where u can get the information then fine, but i would rather see that space used in a better way, like a slot to put things.
i seriously hate the radio/ac setup and look. i dont like how it sticks out. i dont like how its round. i dont like how parts stick out from it even more than it is already sticking out.

This is another example, IMO, of counting the chickens before they are hatched. It could be - that the rounded center stack panel is not a production unit. (Personally - I think the center stack looks fine, and blends nicely with the rest of the IP). There are simply too many unknowns, to be able to make final conclusions about this interior, from weird-angle pix of an obviously incomplete interior. I do agree with the notion we should wait and see...
im going to wait and see it for myself in person to reserve final judgement, but im not too optimistic.
...but not with the pessimism ;)

I rest my case about said "club".

Bob

Yes, Bob. We got it and completely understand your stance on things. You can rest your case. Thank you.

LOL. Aye aye. ;)

But I hope people here can also understand - that interior is a plus to some like me, since for example, my sister's boyfriend had a 69 Camaro he gave me rides in, and some of those trademark shapes bring back memories for me.

And that is exactly why they made it they way they did It

Do you honestly think that the entire interior design being hated is not a cause for considering other options? Would you buy a car if you didn't like the exterior design? I'm guessing no.

I'm glad you are certain about the people not liking the interior are also people who aren't considering the vehicle because I am proof that you are wrong. maybe you missed the bottom of my last post.

Do you honestly think that the entire interior design being hated is not a cause for considering other options?
I think that would definitely be a good course to take in that situation. however. I don't think that's the situation. I've noticed that literally NOBODY is just..."ehh". It's either Love, hate, or wait. And all for no reason as this in no way represents the interior well at all. It wasn't meant to be photographed, or paraded at autoshows....and it shows.

But back to my point. I haven't seen one shred of viable evidence that the "entire interior design is being hated on": It's a preproduction interior with cheap "throw it together so we can drive it" matierials/parts, judged by people who have had 2 or more long years of waiting for this car (myself included) that have nothing left to do but judge every bit of anything until there's nothing left to judge(myself not included:p). That's not enough to go on. If GM put that car on a show floor and said "What do you think of the interior?"; that's a different story. Oh, did I say it was unfinished?

And frankly, judging it, and deciding NOW whether you will buy the car now or not is a fools mistake.:rolleyes:

I don't agree -- because the very people you're talking about are the same people you keep telling us we must appeal to -- those who see the car and just have to have one.........

I think Chris got it right -- this board has too many people claiming 'deal-breaker' --

Scott, let me share with you some of my highlights from the past couple of days....

1) I lost a key member of my staff because she moved out of state.

2) One of my cars spun a rod bearing.

3) I saw the Camaro interior spy pics.

Guess which one of these things has upset me the most?

But back to my point. I haven't seen one shred of viable evidence that the "entire interior design is being hated on": It's a preproduction interior with cheap "throw it together so we can drive it" matierials/parts, judged by people who have had 2 or more long years of waiting for this car (myself included) that have nothing left to do but judge every bit of anything until there's nothing left to judge(myself not included:p).

Are you reading the post at all?

The issue is not with the materials, the issue is not with fit and finish, the issue is with the layout and basic choices made.

This is not a first run mule made from the parts of every other car in the corporation. GM would not have produced any number of the gauge clusters, the steering wheels, the center consoles until they were sure they were going to be mass producing something that was very similiar.

Changing the color, using a different font, the things that are likely still in the air, is not going to help this effusion.

I'm also a little puzzled about the interior layout. I just cannot understand the logic behind the placement of the auxillary gauges. I am very excited to see that the Prototype is very true to the concept, but that was one feature that I was nearly certain would not transfer over. I would much rather have them up high where I can see them(Prefably above the air vents right about where that piece of tape is).

Something else I noticed and I'm suprised nobody else has commented about is.......what is the deal with the AC/Fan controls being built in the radio housing????? Looks like that will rule out the possiblity about installing an aftermarket sounds system, and why is does it have to be sooooo big?????

I just think in total that the space could have been alot better managed. I don't particulary care for the quality of the interior in my 4th Gen, but I really like the layout of all of the contols. I think the reverse appears to be true with the 5th Gen. The layout isnt very appealing, but the interior's materials appear to be much higher quality than the 4th Gens.

On the brighter side I really like the doors, and I have a feeling (based on the looks of the exterior shots) that backseat area will actually be much more roomy than expected.
Overall, I think the interior is fine and those who think it sucks will be silenced when they see the FINISHED PRODUCT in the showroom. The exterior is absolutely gorgeous and I can't wait to see more pics without the camo. These are just my opnions and I certainly appreciate and respect all of yours!!!!! I'm just simply grateful we have our Camaro back!!!!!!!!

And that is exactly why they made it they way they did It
The new Camaro is a 'heritage-theme' design. Inside and out. It has cues from the previous generations, especially the first. People who don't want that, and make it their prime issue, will likely choose something else. But it does resonate with a lot of Camaro fans and potential buyers.
Do you honestly think that the entire interior design being hated is not a cause for considering other options? Would you buy a car if you didn't like the exterior design? I'm guessing no.
There's a disconnect here, I suppose I should have been more clear. Not all features are of equal importance. In a value-priced performance coupe, some things are VERY important to the typical buyer. Power, torque, V8 exhaust notes, RWD... and exterior styling likely all come to the top of the TYPICAL buyer's list. But maybe it's me... but I don't see some other things making the buy/don't buy decisionmaking list. Things NOT on the typical muscle car buyer's list: availability of a plug-in hybrid powertrain; dash-mounted flower vase; full-sized spare; and aesthetically perfect, modern, mainstream, anonymous interior shapes. If any of those factors are a deal breaker for you, that's certainly your right... and nothing wrong with that. I just don't think it's typical for a Camaro buyer.
I'm glad you are certain about the people not liking the interior are also people who aren't considering the vehicle because I am proof that you are wrong. maybe you missed the bottom of my last post.
I apologize if it sounded like I doubted you in particular. I should have made clear, I am certain that SOME people now complaining about the half-completed interior pix, likely already were not seriously intending to buy a Camaro (due to other issues with the car). It doesn't sound like you are in that group.

This is not a first run mule made from the parts of every other car in the corporation. GM would not have produced any number of the gauge clusters, the steering wheels, the center consoles until they were sure they were going to be mass producing something that was very similiar...
How do you know this to be true? I would think it's also possible, the parts seen there are one-offs from a prototype mold. The final pieces could be a lot different... there is really no way for any of us 'outside' of the GM world to know for sure. It's still quite some time until real production begins.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion - and it's for sure, this car will not be for everyone in the US. I think though, some are not being realistic about this car. T-tops? How exactly would you propose that GM engineer such things in a 2009 vehicle, meeting tough, modern side impact and rollover regs, at the Camaro's bargain price point?

Well I was going to let this whole interior arguing thing die for me, personally. But let me just respond to this. While T-tops has personally become a "defining" Camaro trait, I did say that lack of said feature would not be a "deal-breaker". I do understand why they are not possible on this car. I may not like it, but I understand it.

As I said, I guess the most frustrating thing for me is that there are a lot of little things that when you add them together, make me a lot less sure about my purchasing intentions than I was even 6 months ago. Too bad for me I suppose.

I do not consider myself an interior snob. I don't run my hands over my dash to feel quality of the materials every day, I don't go knocking on every trim piece to find the most hollow-sounding plastics. Hey, I own a 4th Gen! ;) But where the 4th Gen basically stunk in terms of material quality, it made up for it in simplicity and ergonomics IMO. Everything was easy to read at a glance. It didn't look cartoonish, it didn't try too hard. Just give me something simple and easy to look at in a quick glance and I'm happy.

The new Camaro is a 'heritage-theme' design. Inside and out. It has cues from the previous generations, especially the first. People who don't want that, and make it their prime issue, will likely choose something else. But it does resonate with a lot of Camaro fans and potential buyers.

...I just don't think it's typical for a Camaro buyer...

Did it ever occur to you, that there may be people who are not interested in this car because it says, "Camaro?"

But because they want a modern performance car? Because they want a sporty "looking" car to drive everyday? Because they want RWD performance?

Add up all those people, and the number of people like you and I, who have owned and have whatever connection to "Camaro" and see which one is larger. I'll save you the "V6 makes the car speech," but there is a fine line between "Heritage" and "Retro kitsch."

As I said, of the big three GM has done the best job of walking that line, by far. But the interior, IMHO, fails at that. That failure is dissapointing by itself, and is made moreso, because it's such a contrast to a well executed exterior!

It's not even as if it's all that polarizing. Some people like it, some are indifferent, and quite a few hate it. Multiply that by the mass market, who isn't nearly as into this as we are, and well, I don't see the best possible outcome. I think there are a lot more people who will see a "modern" car, with a classic pony car shape, long hood, short deck, swept roofline, only to get inside and see a wierd interior, then there are who will get inside and have fond memories of their or their Dad's 69 Camaro...

I could live with it, but I can also live with a poorly aging 4th gen.

How do you know this to be true? I would think it's also possible, the parts seen there are one-offs from a prototype mold. The final pieces could be a lot different... there is really no way for any of us 'outside' of the GM world to know for sure. It's still quite some time until real production begins.

I don't know, I hope I'm dead wrong.

But going by what I do know of the process, and Scott's "65%"... :think:

Did it ever occur to you, that there may be people who are not interested in this car because it says, "Camaro?"

But because they want a modern performance car? Because they want a sporty "looking" car to drive everyday? Because they want RWD performance?

Add up all those people, and the number of people like you and I, who have owned and have whatever connection to "Camaro" and see which one is larger. I'll save you the "V6 makes the car speech," but there is a fine line between "Heritage" and "Retro kitsch."

As I said, of the big three GM has done the best job of walking that line, by far. But the interior, IMHO, fails at that. That failure is dissapointing by itself, and is made moreso, because it's such a contrast to a well executed exterior!

It's not even as if it's all that polarizing. Some people like it, some are indifferent, and quite a few hate it. Multiply that by the mass market, who isn't nearly as into this as we are, and well, I don't see the best possible outcome. I think there are a lot more people who will see a "modern" car, with a classic pony car shape, long hood, short deck, swept roofline, only to get inside and see a wierd interior, then there are who will get inside and have fond memories of their or their Dad's 69 Camaro...

I could live with it, but I can also live with a poorly aging 4th gen.



I don't know, I hope I'm dead wrong.

But going by what I do know of the process, and Scott's "65%"... :think:
I can sure relate about owning an aging 4gen :D (I just got a new tranny for my LT1 Formula :o ). And I do comprehend your points about the average 'conquest buyer'. But this is also where I think the 'heritage' thing can shine. If you are a shopper seeking a value V8/hi-V6 RWD sporty coupe, you can get a Mustang today. They've sold VERY well, despite their blatantly retro interior. Surely you're not going to argue that success was all due to a bunch of middle-aged guys pining for the 68 Mustang fastback of their teenage days? No. Mustang fills a niche. It's the niche of everyone who wants an affordable, sporty RWD coupe with guts, with some unique character and personality. Same will be true with the new Camaro. Those who want a plain-Jane anonymous coupe can still get their Honda Civics :)

Originally Posted by Good Ph.D:
Since when was "enthusiast" limited to drag racers and lead foots?

That's the problem with preferences, they're personal. What you want is what you want. What I want is what I want.
I seem to share similar opions about the interior and comments...:thumb:

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
You forgot to include the diametric opposite....to wit...The "I'll buy it no matter what it looks like/runs/costs/weighs so long as it says Camaro" Club.


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Originally Posted by Z284ever:
By far, the scariest faction because....

Although vocal on boards like this, they'll never buy enough of them to make or break the car, IF they buy that is....and IF they buy new or used.
I have to say, we may have different opinions on many things but, I with you on this one...:yes:
I'm averaging 20,000 miles a year in my car, I'm not a 19 year old kid, and I care about quality, resale value, and value adding amenities, and don't mind paying a little more for it.
And I don't believe this car is finished and haven't seen it in person, but have seen 2 concepts in person, which look far better than this one inside.
And the new Camaro interior MUST compete with other 2010 car interiors, in quality and fuctionality, etc...

And the new Camaro interior MUST compete with other 2010 car interiors, in quality and fuctionality, etc...

Thank you. This interior might have been okay ten years ago. but honestly i think the mustangs interior is a lot better designed which is my opinion. fine. but interiors are becoming more and more important in the modern buyer and i just dont think this one cuts it. Lets not forget that the interior is where you spend time in the car. having one that is aesthetically pleasing is important

Can we have an option to get the new malibu interior in it?:confused:

Well I was going to let this whole interior arguing thing die for me, personally. But let me just respond to this. While T-tops has personally become a "defining" Camaro trait, I did say that lack of said feature would not be a "deal-breaker". I do understand why they are not possible on this car. I may not like it, but I understand it.

As I said, I guess the most frustrating thing for me is that there are a lot of little things that when you add them together, make me a lot less sure about my purchasing intentions than I was even 6 months ago. Too bad for me I suppose.

I do not consider myself an interior snob. I don't run my hands over my dash to feel quality of the materials every day, I don't go knocking on every trim piece to find the most hollow-sounding plastics. Hey, I own a 4th Gen! ;) But where the 4th Gen basically stunk in terms of material quality, it made up for it in simplicity and ergonomics IMO. Everything was easy to read at a glance. It didn't look cartoonish, it didn't try too hard. Just give me something simple and easy to look at in a quick glance and I'm happy.
That makes sense - and I agree the 4gens are not known for ultra-tight interior panel gaps :D

But while I also enjoy the simple and effective ergonomics in my LT1 Firebird... I'm not so naive as to think I can make any kind of adequate judgement about 5gen Camaro ergonomics, until at the very least, I sit in a TRUE PRODUCTION unit for real, or better yet, drive one.

As for the 'little things adding up' to make one not choose a new Camaro... I can see that happening for some too. Yet every new car is a tradeoff. Want modern front-and side-crashworthiness? It's going to cost some, in curb weight, complexity and $$. Want power, torque... and also reasonable MPG? It's going to cost some, in extra gadgets like AFM (again, $$ since it's a new car purchase). But I hope people will make an informed decision - since it takes time for all the facts to come out. One last example: one of my disappointments with my 05 GTO was the lack of a factory sunroof... but today I saw a factory sunroof on the production Camaro picture from GM :bow: :cool:

Thank you. This interior might have been okay ten years ago. but honestly i think the mustangs interior is a lot better designed which is my opinion. fine. but interiors are becoming more and more important in the modern buyer and i just dont think this one cuts it.

I've raised the subject myself, so have little room to talk... but isn't it a little dicey to compare the overall effectiveness of the Camaro and Mustang interiors, at this point? NO ONE has seen a productionized new Camaro interior in action as of yet. Yet - I did check out the 05 Mustang interior when I cross-shopped it against the 05 GTO I bought. I was open to the idea of the Mustang's retro interior. My first car was *almost* a 67 Mustang (ended up being a 70 Chevelle)... and I've been a Mustang fan for a long time. But I did not like the Mustang's speedometer. It was difficult to read, due to a simple thing - the font on the speedo! (The infamous 'deal breakers' for me, for those curious - was the lack of discounting on the Mustangs at that point, and the 100 HP deficit VS the LS2 GTO).

My point being - the Mustang has been a size-large success for Ford, even with that goofy speedometer. Why? Because of the compelling case made by the car overall for its buyers. Let's wait and see what the real production Camaro interior is like before hastening to judgment.

These pics just brought a tear to my eye - seriously. :cry:

Whether or not you like the look of the interior, it's a functioning prototype of our beloved Camaro.

We see, for the first time up close, the culmination of all of our wishes, dreams, and the result of the hard work many of you have put into keeping this dream alive. I may be kind of a Johny-come lately to this forum, only joining after I saw the silver concept in 2006 at the Cleveland auto show and never actually owning any previous generation Camaro. But I have always loved those cars, felt more passionate about them than any other American car, and now have the means to afford one. The fact that when it came time I could afford to buy a new car the Camaro was no more dissappointed me to no end. On that reguard I have no room to preach what I haven't practiced. But there are those of you who've been living it for years and when production of the 4th gen stoped, you kept the dream alive. This and other Camaro forums. Writing to GM, offering your opinions to various GM and Chevy auto show reps. Online petitions. You name it. I've seen alot browsing through the internet.

Plain and simply GM could not ignore it. I remember hearing Rick Wagoner mention he had no plans to cash the checks mailed to GM in the week or two after he'd made the formal announcement of the return of the Camaro in Aug. of '06. For anyone to even consider doing such a thing for a car not even near ready for production shows either pure insanity or true devotion.

This is a wonderful day. I would like to tell Scott and his co-workers, and Ed Welburne and Bob Lutz, how much I truly appreciate your hard work. There was a time I completely wrote off GM. They didn't listen to their customers. They were intent on building nothing but bland people movers as vanilla as you can get. They were building cars based on "market research" instead of passion. Souless, lifeless, and blatent disreguard for their history or their future.

This Camaro is more than just a rebirth of a legend. You can see, based on what Scott has told us and these pictures, that they are not only embracing the herritage of what the car means, but the future of the company and the car itself by making it world class. Not just for those of us longing to drag race but those who would like a performance/touring coupe that just might otherwise look at a Nissan Altima 3.5SE or BMW 1-Series. This car is as appealing as a modern, well built, sophistocated touring coupe as it is a balls to the floor muscle car.

Thank you guys. You've made my day.

i really dont mind anything about the interior except for the guages... that design sucks ass

To just stumble upon a trailer loaded with all that .....shwing:lol:

I dont exactly like what I see in the spy pics , but , Im gonna reserve judgement until the final is shown . With my job , Ive seen ....not with GM , but with other OEM's , interiors at the prototype stage . While the core design is likely to be very similar ....surface materials , switch gear , steering wheels , center stack components , gauge faces , shifter handles , center console trim plates can change pretty dramatically . Judging by all the TAPE , gaps , holes and things that just look unfinished .....that interior is FAR from finalized . It looks very .....errrr , protoyp'ee :D

The GM leaked pic of the white car with no camo looks BADASS

...and for the love of god , dont put Pirelli Rosso's on there . This is >decent< tire for about 5K miles . A PS2 or Goodyear F1GS D3 would make for far better choice ...jmo .

I'd still buy one!!!:D

Anyone noticed those things above the exhaust tips?? Looks like back up lamps?? On the white Camaro pic that Ed Pepper leaked and on those links where there is camo covering it, looks like back up lamps.

These pics just brought a tear to my eye - seriously. :cry:

Whether or not you like the look of the interior, it's a functioning prototype of our beloved Camaro.

We see, for the first time up close, the culmination of all of our wishes, dreams, and the result of the hard work many of you have put into keeping this dream alive. I may be kind of a Johny-come lately to this forum, only joining after I saw the silver concept in 2006 at the Cleveland auto show and never actually owning any previous generation Camaro. But I have always loved those cars, felt more passionate about them than any other American car, and now have the means to afford one. The fact that when it came time I could afford to buy a new car the Camaro was no more dissappointed me to no end. On that reguard I have no room to preach what I haven't practiced. But there are those of you who've been living it for years and when production of the 4th gen stoped, you kept the dream alive. This and other Camaro forums. Writing to GM, offering your opinions to various GM and Chevy auto show reps. Online petitions. You name it. I've seen alot browsing through the internet.

Plain and simply GM could not ignore it. I remember hearing Rick Wagoner mention he had no plans to cash the checks mailed to GM in the week or two after he'd made the formal announcement of the return of the Camaro in Aug. of '06. For anyone to even consider doing such a thing for a car not even near ready for production shows either pure insanity or true devotion.

This is a wonderful day. I would like to tell Scott and his co-workers, and Ed Welburne and Bob Lutz, how much I truly appreciate your hard work. There was a time I completely wrote off GM. They didn't listen to their customers. They were intent on building nothing but bland people movers as vanilla as you can get. They were building cars based on "market research" instead of passion. Souless, lifeless, and blatent disreguard for their history or their future.

This Camaro is more than just a rebirth of a legend. You can see, based on what Scott has told us and these pictures, that they are not only embracing the herritage of what the car means, but the future of the company and the car itself by making it world class. Not just for those of us longing to drag race but those who would like a performance/touring coupe that just might otherwise look at a Nissan Altima 3.5SE or BMW 1-Series. This car is as appealing as a modern, well built, sophistocated touring coupe as it is a balls to the floor muscle car.

Thank you guys. You've made my day.
Amen! Thanks for posting, and for providing a little perspective in the midst of the fretting frenzy in this thread :)

To just stumble upon a trailer loaded with all that .....shwing

I dont exactly like what I see in the spy pics , but , Im gonna reserve judgement until the final is shown . With my job , Ive seen ....not with GM , but with other OEM's , interiors at the prototype stage . While the core design is likely to be very similar ....surface materials , switch gear , steering wheels , center stack components , gauge faces , shifter handles , center console trim plates can change pretty dramatically . Judging by all the TAPE , gaps , holes and things that just look unfinished .....that interior is FAR from finalized . It looks very .....errrr , protoyp'ee

The GM leaked pic of the white car with no camo looks BADASS

...and for the love of god , dont put Pirelli Rosso's on there . This is >decent< tire for about 5K miles . A PS2 or Goodyear F1GS D3 would make for far better choice ...jmo

I agree with just about all your post. But the comment on the tires got me thinking. I just realized upon looking at those wheels, close up... there is something I HATE there. I'm sorry to announce it... but it might be a DEAL BREAKER for me. WHY... WHY did they have to put that duct tape on the wheels! I cannot, WILL NOT buy a new Camaro with that on the wheels!









;)

I've taken the last 24 hours or so to try and form an honest opinion on the theme of the interior, and the more I see it the more it is growing on me. I've tried to look at it w/ a broad approach knowing that the theme is what we will see, but fit/finish etc will be greatly improved over the next year and that will change the perception of a lot of you in that time. I work in Product Planning for a very reputable auto manufacturer, so I have personal experience w/ prototype builds and how much they can and can't change from here on out. A lot of what you see is locked in due to supplier contracts etc, but there are things that will come out that will change the perceived quality, and the perceived look of the vehicle interior. I'm not sold on it yet, but I can visualize the finished product the more I sit and think about it.

The exterior shot unmasked has me really impressed though. I was worried about the look of the rear of the car, the stance etc, but those worried have been put to rest by the photo released. I can't wait to see more.

The interior is not a deal breaker to me, and all of you guys that are sitting here and saying that are being very shortsighted. If you don't like it that's fine, but let's all as enthusiasts give Scott, and the Camaro staff time to get out a finished product before you call it a deal breaker. I understand the thoughts that the theme is wrong, as I'm not sure I totally agree w/ it myself. But take an honest look at the raw pre-production pics before making overwhelming judgments.

We have all been on this wave of ups and downs since 2002 when we lost the Camaro, riding the waves to where we are now. Personally being in Detroit for the actual debut was a fantastic high, and I can't wait to see what happens when the actually production car is debuted.

Keep the faith guys... Scott hasn't led us astray before, and I know he won't this time!!!

I'm sorry but after reading through this entire thread I have to get this off my chest...

... there are some stupid people on this website. :irk:

There is a reason GM doesn't want us to see photos of the pre-production "test car" interior. It isn't finished. :rolleyes:

P.S. Sorry Jason & Chris, but I had to say that.

There is a reason GM doesn't want us to see photos of the pre-production "test car" interior. It isn't finished. :rolleyes:

:bow:

I think we have a real problem brewing with this interior. I say this not only due to the number of negative comments that the interior is getting, but more by the extreme nature of the negative comments.

For those that think this is the same situation as the exterior spy photo situation or that this is more of the “sky is falling” scenario, I say you are missing the point. If you review the comments about the exterior they were much more subtle. Complaints about smoothed lines; Smaller hips; Higher roof, etc. I don’t recall anyone saying the exterior was “Terrible”, “Horrible”, “Worst they have ever see”, “Disgusting”, etc. I don’t recall anyone thinking that the entire theme of the exterior should be scrapped. I don’t recall anyone asking for a complete re-do of the exterior. These Sentiments have all been expressed in regards to the interior.

This is not a situation of camouflage hiding the lines of the car. It is not bad lighting or camera angle. It is not poor fit and finish. It is not because of place holders or non- production parts. The problem is that this Pseudo-Retro interior theme is unattractive and quite frankly does not work on this car.

I can appreciate the concern of some that this is a work in progress, very rough, and therefore being judged unfairly. I can appreciate the “have faith” mantra. The problem I have is that this photo clearly demonstrates that everything many disliked about the concept car’s interior appears to be headed for production. I really hate to use the “polished turd” reference that someone else used in an earlier post. But that really is the perfect analogy. No amount of polish or refinement will fix this interior if the design concept and/or theme is inherently flawed from the Beginning!

There is a reason GM doesn't want us to see photos of the pre-production "test car" interior. It isn't finished. :rolleyes:


Might it also be (or perhaps instead of, in some cases) that they don't want their competitors seeing it? I believe that line of reasoning has been used before as justification for not providing pictures (and a totally valid justification, too, IMHO).

Bob

Might it also be (or perhaps instead of, in some cases) that they don't want their competitors seeing it? I believe that line of reasoning has been used before as justification for not providing pictures (and a totally valid justification, too, IMHO).

BobAgreed. That is the main reason. :D

Ok - assuming that is correct, then where does the "we don't want you to see it because it is not finished" arguement stand?

And please...not trying to be overtly arguementative...just promoting discussion (or attempting to).

Bob

Look at this pic again.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/camaro.int.dcu.kgp.ed.jpg

Note the big gaps around the face of the stereo, HVAC controls, and where the shifter console meets the dash. I guess its entirely possible that GM has attached fake interior trim to hide the real dash.

On the other hand, looking at this pic it looks like the dash is very real with the vent plumbing etc.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/camaro.intdoor.kgp.ed.jpg

I think there are simply several missing trim pieces Gripenfelter.

I've said this in a few of the other threads, the guage bezels in the gm pic are rounded and not square like in all of the spy pics. Look at the larger pic that was posted and you will see what I'm talking about.

I've said this in a few of the other threads, the guage bezels in the gm pic are rounded and not square like in all of the spy pics. Look at the larger pic that was posted and you will see what I'm talking about.

I think it's kind of hard to tell. I dunno.

I've taken the last 24 hours or so to try and form an honest opinion on the theme of the interior, and the more I see it the more it is growing on me. I've tried to look at it w/ a broad approach knowing that the theme is what we will see, but fit/finish etc will be greatly improved over the next year and that will change the perception of a lot of you in that time. I work in Product Planning for a very reputable auto manufacturer, so I have personal experience w/ prototype builds and how much they can and can't change from here on out. A lot of what you see is locked in due to supplier contracts etc, but there are things that will come out that will change the perceived quality, and the perceived look of the vehicle interior. I'm not sold on it yet, but I can visualize the finished product the more I sit and think about it.

The exterior shot unmasked has me really impressed though. I was worried about the look of the rear of the car, the stance etc, but those worried have been put to rest by the photo released. I can't wait to see more.

The interior is not a deal breaker to me, and all of you guys that are sitting here and saying that are being very shortsighted. If you don't like it that's fine, but let's all as enthusiasts give Scott, and the Camaro staff time to get out a finished product before you call it a deal breaker. I understand the thoughts that the theme is wrong, as I'm not sure I totally agree w/ it myself. But take an honest look at the raw pre-production pics before making overwhelming judgments.

We have all been on this wave of ups and downs since 2002 when we lost the Camaro, riding the waves to where we are now. Personally being in Detroit for the actual debut was a fantastic high, and I can't wait to see what happens when the actually production car is debuted.

Keep the faith guys... Scott hasn't led us astray before, and I know he won't this time!!!

100% Agreed!

I think there are simply several missing trim pieces Gripenfelter.+1 :D

I think we have a real problem brewing with this interior. I say this not only due to the number of negative comments that the interior is getting, but more by the extreme nature of the negative comments.

For those that think this is the same situation as the exterior spy photo situation or that this is more of the “sky is falling” scenario, I say you are missing the point. If you review the comments about the exterior they were much more subtle. Complaints about smoothed lines; Smaller hips; Higher roof, etc. I don’t recall anyone saying the exterior was “Terrible”, “Horrible”, “Worst they have ever see”, “Disgusting”, etc. I don’t recall anyone thinking that the entire theme of the exterior should be scrapped. I don’t recall anyone asking for a complete re-do of the exterior. These Sentiments have all been expressed in regards to the interior.

This is not a situation of camouflage hiding the lines of the car. It is not bad lighting or camera angle. It is not poor fit and finish. It is not because of place holders or non- production parts. The problem is that this Pseudo-Retro interior theme is unattractive and quite frankly does not work on this car.

I can appreciate the concern of some that this is a work in progress, very rough, and therefore being judged unfairly. I can appreciate the “have faith” mantra. The problem I have is that this photo clearly demonstrates that everything many disliked about the concept car’s interior appears to be headed for production. I really hate to use the “polished turd” reference that someone else used in an earlier post. But that really is the perfect analogy. No amount of polish or refinement will fix this interior if the design concept and/or theme is inherently flawed from the Beginning!

I respectfully disagree. The interior of the concept fit PERFECTLY with the concept's exterior. That was one reason the concept drew raves, and got awards. Its entire design (inside and out) were harmonious, and were successful as a modern vision with heritage design elements. IF the production interior is akin to that, it will also be in harmony with what we now know is the production exterior styling. There will always be some buyers who absolutely do not want such an interior... but that hasn't stopped hundreds of thousands of 05+ Mustang buyers from signing the papers....

I think there are simply several missing trim pieces Gripenfelter.

Well if that is the case I don't think the production version will differ as much from this spy shot as the people who are saying 'wait for the GM press release pic' think.

Just going off the test cars I have seen in the past where spy shots were posted of their interiors/exteriors. Most recently the current generation Mustang.

On another note, anyone want to photoshop the front end of the Camaro to guess what the headlights look like?

The old F-Bodies were canned because they couldn't sell enough. The Corvette was selling in greater volumes. If they market the new Camaro to the same people they will have the same sales problems. They need to reach out to a broader customer base. This interior will not help. They did a great job on the exterior.

This interior looks like a 68 Camaro got it on with a Honda Element and a Nintendo game console. The center console looks well thought out, but the lower buttons are a little low for visibility and use; think about the radio controls on the passenger's side of the GTO. The Guages look forced and don't fit the flow of the rest of the dash. They were great for the concept as it provoked old memories and other talk. Now they look cheapened, don't fit with the rest of the dash so they are just a big old zit on the forehead of a Victoria's Secret model. Doesn't matter how pretty she is, all the tabloids will talk about is the zit... And how in the hell is there any other info than speed and tac in the guages?

There is a reason other retro cars don't have retro interiors. Old interiors were built to accomodate the technology of the time that needed more space. Today's interiors are built to provide space for the passengers, ergonomics and more gadgets than Radio Shack. The top of the dash looks like there may be a bunch of LED idiot lights there or room for them on the production car? If those readings are over there, they are a long ways from where the driver should be looking.

The car will be crucified in reviews if the interior looks like this. The interior should be along the lines of the new G8. This car has to compete with Europe and Japan, not just a Mustang.

I have been thinking about trading in the GTO on the Camaro when it shows up. In all honesty, if that is the interior,I will definately pass on it.

Let me just say that I hope the production seats have more side bolstering than the ones in the above picture. :)

One thing a lot of you guys need to sit back and think about is that we enthusiast are a SMALL PORTION of the people who will buy this car. For the Camaro to pencil in GM's books and for sales to continue, GM needs to make a vehicle that has broader appeal than the 4th get did. It needs to sit in a better position for visibility for more female sales. It needs to have more front visibility for parking reasons. It needs to have more storage space/accessibility than the hatch meant to hold the t-tops. It needs a lot of things to meet the sales numbers so it is not losing money hand over fist as the 4th gen was.

What does that mean to us enthusiasts? Well it means that we may have to sit back and accept what the Chevy design team, researchers, product planners, and everyone associated with this program have spent YEARS in planning... There has been countless hours of research and planning put into this vehicle to MAKE SURE IT WILL SELL AND KEEP SELLING!

Yes we as enthusiasts play a big role in the success of the vehicle, b/c we are so loyal and outspoken about it. However, if we are the only ones that buy this vehicle, are attracted to this vehicle, or speak out about this vehicle it will not be here very long and we will be thus FORCED to again go without the car we love so much.

love it want to see it cleaned up in the night with the lights on

I think it would be constructive to share some comments on the spy pics from Cheryl Pilcher, the Camaro Program Manager.

The IVER (prototype) cars are really rough. In some respects, it's certainly not the car that you want to have spy photos taken. But hopefully the enthusiast community's take-away will be that the concept car design integrity has been maintained. The IVER cars were built off of very, very early math data so there have been many good changes and further refinement since that point in time.

To give everyone a point in time reference... the IVER cars were completed some time ago. (I'm guessing mid/late 2Q07). We're just seeing them now outside of GM property.

The IVER (prototype) cars are really rough. In some respects, it's certainly not the car that you want to have spy photos taken. But hopefully the enthusiast community's take-away will be that the concept car design integrity has been maintained. The IVER cars were built off of very, very early math data so there have been many good changes and further refinement since that point in time.

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There it is. For the people who say "wait and see the final design", what do you expect would change for production, design-wise?

The old F-Bodies were canned because they couldn't sell enough. :no:

Let me just say that I hope the production seats have more side bolstering than the ones in the above picture. :)

Those are Commodore seats in there .

Kinda look like Cobalt seats.

But I love the pics so far. I was NOT dissapointed by the camera phone pic, cuz i knew the angles and lighting were all wrong. We weren't getting the full exposure. Like Jason D. said, when he took a pic of his TBSS to send to his mom, it didn't look as good as in the brochure. Pics loose something in the translation. I don't think this car will dissapoint when it is released.

Although, I am happy Lutz released that pic, you woulda thought they'd take a pic that was more than 250pixels. I mean seriously, you make a big announcement like that, and release a tiny pic? wtf.

http://www.thegmsource.com/images/camaroconcept/camarobarehigh.jpg

Can anyone see the fuel door?

No, 'cause it's on the passenger side :p

I would have absolutely loved this car if it had a G8 interior.

http://images.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_0702_02z+2008_pontiac_g8+interior.jpg

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/pontiac_sema_g8_concept_001.jpg

I would have absolutely loved this car if it had a G8 interior.

http://images.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_0702_02z+2008_pontiac_g8+interior.jpg

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/pontiac_sema_g8_concept_001.jpg

I love how the G8 steering wheel is flat on the bottom for better access on ingress/egress. Very nice.

No, 'cause it's on the passenger side :p

The car isn't production... the fuel door could be in the trunk for all we know. :)

I would have absolutely loved this car if it had a G8 interior.
I love the G8's interior... but it absolutely, does not belong in a car like the Camaro. Aside from the cost/price/value considerations... it would not fit the design theme of the 2010 Camaro. Having a mainstream, non-unique interior in a car as historic and legendary as the Camaro would literally make it seem like only 'half a car'.

I disagree completely. I think the G8 interior is SHARP, and some version of that would have done quite nicely in Camaro.

Bob

I disagree completely. I think the G8 interior is SHARP, and some version of that would have done quite nicely in Camaro.

Bob

As far as my design prefences go , I gotta side with Bob here . A non-gimmicky , modern day interior along the lines of the G8 would make me more than content .

Yeah, I'd be happier with the G8s interior as well. The binnacle, steering wheel, center stack, shifter, all of it.

Personally, I'm sick and tired of "generic" interiors no matter the quality level.

I went to the auto show last week and seriously noticed the similarity between the new Malibu and new CTS dashes....not that they were bad, just the opposite, but very similar.

While I'll wait for the final dash design here, I'm encouraged by the attempt at a fresh design.

That being said I strongly favor FUNCTION over flashy designs....a combo would be ideal however! :D

Yeah, I'd be happier with the G8s interior as well. The binnacle, steering wheel, center stack, shifter, all of it.

I'd love a G8/GTO/CTS interior too. ****, i'd take a malibu interior.

What i don't get is, WHY go with a retro interior that is so polarizing in a car that HAS to be a homerun? If it had a modern stylish interior like the G8, there would be at least as many people who loved it as love the retro design (there might be some different people, but numbers wise, they'd still be up there), but on the flip side, i don't think you'd find anyone who said they hated it. One thing i'm pretty sure of, no one is going to buy a new 5th gen strictly based on the retro interior. It might just turn off people who don't like gimmicks and lack of functionality though.

Also, this is not unique, the mustang has a retro interior too, though at least it doesn't have guages on the floor hidden behind the shifter. But the mustang did not just go through its most pathetic sales and image period in its history and has a bit more name cache than camaro as well so it could afford to take that chance. Not to mention, this camaro is coming out 5 years after that retro themed camaro interior. Not only is it not unique, it's late to the party.

Personally, I'm sick and tired of "generic" interiors no matter the quality level.

I went to the auto show last week and seriously noticed the similarity between the new Malibu and new CTS dashes....not that they were bad, just the opposite, but very similar.

While I'll wait for the final dash design here, I'm encouraged by the attempt at a fresh design.

That being said I strongly favor FUNCTION over flashy designs....a combo would be ideal however! :D
Agreed. I wonder how many can identify what car this is from (without cheating and looking at the image URL)?

http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/ag/hyundai_sonata_sexm_2007_dashboard_11_346x270.jpg

easy , its a hyundai ...and it looks like it :lol:

Looks like an Import....but then...to me they all look pretty much the same :shrug:

easy , its a hyundai ...and it looks like it :lol:

You scored 1/2 a point. Tell me the model and you get the other half ;)

First off, Id like to know if we will see an intergrated hvac/radio controls instead of a "insert radio in hole here" type set ups we have had on everything this side of the CTS.
The G8's interior is very nice, but its a bit sedate and calm. Its Audi-esque with its twin guages seperated by a rectangular info screen. Im sure that was Holden's target for interiors, and not a bad target at that.

And bigdarkandfast, that is the new Sonata. Its got a nice lay out, but cheap looking.

The Malibu's interior has set the bar high for quality, design and style for all Chevy interiors. I think that there could have been a more 2nd gen or maybe even third gen influence on the interior. I think they are more driver oriented then the first gen.

I'll be the first to admit that I didn't pay any real attention to the interior when the concept was released - I simply didn't consider it a big deal, and it still isn't the biggest issue for me. Further, I take folks' word for it that what we see in these pics really is "retro" in design, as it really doesn't matter to me much. Retro or modern doesn't matter to me nearly as much as whether or not I like the finished result.

What I find ironic, is that I don't consider the exterior to "retro", and I think a lot of folks would agree that it is more of a very modern design what I would like to call "retro cues" (and I remember reading many of the same type of comments when we first saw pics of the exterior over a year ago). So now we have a "retro" interior with more modern exterior. I find that interesting.

Bob

I am glad to see gauges on the console, i hope they stay there. I like it.

What i don't get is, WHY go with a retro interior that is so polarizing in a car that HAS to be a homerun?

That is an excellent question.

That steering wheel makes me want to cry :cry:

Yeah, I forgot all about the "just-say-no-to-retro dealbreaker" crowd that was around pre-concept. Lets just say membership in that group tanked after NAIAS 2006. There's still some hardcore adherants, though, just like with all the other absolutist groups.

You can still count me in that group. I haven't posted in quite a while but I still check the forums almost everyday...

As much as I was/am disappointed with the "retro" exterior, I can't even find the right words to describe how completely abhorrent the interior looks :(

What I find ironic, is that I don't consider the exterior to "retro", and I think a lot of folks would agree that it is more of a very modern design what I would like to call "retro cues" (and I remember reading many of the same type of comments when we first saw pics of the exterior over a year ago). So now we have a "retro" interior with more modern exterior. I find that jarring and inexplicable.

Exactly.

I love the G8's interior... but it absolutely, does not belong in a car like the Camaro. Aside from the cost/price/value considerations... it would not fit the design theme of the 2010 Camaro. Having a mainstream, non-unique interior in a car as historic and legendary as the Camaro would literally make it seem like only 'half a car'.

:bang:

Everyone is not interested in spending thirty thousand plus of their 2009 dollars on a bunch of 1970s pieces picked out of a hat.

This car is not some museum piece that will be behind a glass case as an offering to the Camaro gods. It has to be usable, it has to endure spilled drinks, curb rash, and changing the radio station while putting on makeup. It has to have mainstream appeal, both inside and out, because that is who has to buy it.

The justification of "well on the 69' Camaro" is completely moot because I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that if you pulled off the badges, and head and tail lights on a 69' Camaro and any comparable car from that area most people couldn't even ballpark which is which.

OK -- some thoughts. (after 235 posts that I can't get the whole way thru.......)

1. when I first saw the leaked pics of the interior I was shocked -- for two reasons -- one was it was unauthorized.....two because it looks really bad. Now -- I've seen the final interior design -- and these pics really look bad. ....(So - that's another reason we don't like pics to just appear -- remember all the screaming and carrying on when the white car showed up with the bra -- notice that people have changed their tune already in what, two weeks?)

2. this site seems to be the one site that really has problems with everything about Camaro -- and I've finally figured it out -- it's a few people on this site -- not the majority.....

3. When someone DOES agree with me or one of the 'winkie' club members (someone else's label - not mine) they're accused of -- for lack of a better term -- sucking up. I find that reprehensible. Trust me - I've yet to find a Camaro enthusiast who isn't afraid to speak their mind....
Get real.

4. Console gages......probably one of the most polarizing issues surrounding the concept car.

We got TONS of emails and snailmail and personal visits on them -- and people felt strongly one way or another.

Yup -- we could 'play it safe' and put an IP in there that resembles every midsize sedan out there -- or we could give you something that says "Camaro" -- silly us. I believe in the final analysis that people will like this interior WHEN FINISHED.

They are a historic Camaro cue from the 1st gen car. What makes you think that those are the ONLY gages in the car? Think of the word "redundancy" -- ;) (dang...there's that winkie again!)

5. I go back to the hysteria surrounding the leaked Oshawa photo a couple of weeks ago -- the white car with front and rear bra -- and some people on this site lost their minds. ONCE AGAIN I asked everyone to calm down - and lo and behold -- Ed Peper puts a picture of a white production intent Camaro out there this week -- and wow -- tunes have changed. All I'm asking you is to calm down -- and give the car a chance.

6. I've said this many times before........ANYTIME we change something on a Camaro or a Corvette -- 50% will love it -- 50% will hate it - and 80% of the 50% who hate it will love it or like it 90 days after the car comes out........and I suspect this will happen as well on the Camaro.

7. The 2nd Gen Fcars were highly controversial -- so were the 4th gens -- the C5? People loved it or hated it -- much more negative comments than on the new Camaro. C6? you would have thought the world was coming to an end the way some people caterwalled..........



Frankly -- the response to this car far exceeds our expectations when looking at the many sites out there. Sorry that a few of you don't like what you see. I'm hoping that you'll change your mind when you see it in person.

In the final analysis -- most people on this site feel very strongly about Camaro -- I just ask you to hold off 'til you can sit in a production car -- then make final judgement.

I could list 10 other GM cars that have interiors that I would rather have in the car besides the current one: Corvette, CTS, Malibu, Sky, Solstice, G8, and so on. The Malibu should not have a better looking, more sporty interior than the Camaro.

I still maintain that the Camaro is far too retro, even the exterior, although since the final front has not been seen, that is not a foregone conclusion. The rear looks the least retro and I would have to say that it is my favorite part of the car. Maybe the interior DOES fit with the theme of the car and that theme is r................The interior seems like a pander to those who used to have a 1st gen or never could afford one or didn't have one for whatever reason back in the day. Maybe the interior is worse at hiding the obvious "heritage" than the exterior. Maybe GM is thinking they can get younger buyers by the quirckiness of the interior, like a Scion or Beetle, and maybe it will work. I am increasingly worried about the new Haundai Genesis coupe, not for the z28/ss buyers, but for the v6 models.

I think the my biggest problem now, is that the Camaro is again following the Mustang and the Mustang formula and doesn't find it's own way and identity.

As always, well said Scott. Once people get over the shock of "oh no, it isn't EXACLTY what I have envisioned in my mind" I think most will "come back around".

I must admit my first reactions are usually always overreactions (to anything, not just the Camaro).

OK -- some thoughts. (after 235 posts that I can't get the whole way thru.......)

1. when I first saw the leaked pics of the interior I was shocked -- for two reasons -- one was it was unauthorized.....two because it looks really bad. Now -- I've seen the final interior design -- and these pics really look bad. ....(So - that's another reason we don't like pics to just appear -- remember all the screaming and carrying on when the white car showed up with the bra -- notice that people have changed their tune already in what, two weeks?)

It seems darn near impossible in today's day and age to keep stuff secret with everyone carying a cell phone camera. You want to keep stuff secret, make a plastic shell that looks like a 1982 Citation and put it over the car when you need to take it out in public :D

4. Console gages......probably one of the most polarizing issues surrounding the concept car.

We got TONS of emails and snailmail and personal visits on them -- and people felt strongly one way or another.

Yup -- we could 'play it safe' and put an IP in there that resembles every midsize sedan out there -- or we could give you something that says "Camaro" -- silly us. I believe in the final analysis that people will like this interior WHEN FINISHED.

They are a historic Camaro cue from the 1st gen car. What makes you think that those are the ONLY gages in the car? Think of the word "redundancy" -- ;) (dang...there's that winkie again!)

I LOVE the gauges on the lower console, and further more have the common sense to know that every GM car today has a DIC in the main gauge package with that same info. Don't want to take your eyes off the road? Just scroll through the DIC. No big deal. Why people are crying about it is beyond me. I'm sure there will be a DIC in either the tach, speedo, or in between where fuel, temp, and all other vitals can be easily monitored.

I think this car is going to be fantastic. Could be one of the most anticipated and heavily scrutinzed cars GM's ever made.

I've yet to find a Camaro enthusiast who isn't afraid to speak their mind....

Double negative backfired on you there, Scott. I think you meant the opposite. :p

I LOVE the gauges on the lower console, and further more have the common sense to know that every GM car today has a DIC in the main gauge package with that same info. Don't want to take your eyes off the road? Just scroll through the DIC. No big deal.
Yeah, that's waaaay better than very briefly glancing down at an analog faced gauge right in front of you as you travel down the main straight at 120+. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's waaaay better than very briefly glancing down at an analog faced gauge right in front of you as you travel down the main straight at 120+. :rolleyes:



At 120+, I would advise NOT glancing down period. Oh, and I would also strongly advise no 120+, period, unless on a track designed for that speed. Seriously. Unless you like this look :death:. Just MHO.

I think the gauges look pretty cool, and would be a good conversation point. Doesn't bother me.

But I will reiterate in gigantic text:

I HATE THAT STEERING WHEEL!

I understand what the designers were trying to do (three spoke, the small horn button type look) but that style does not work with an airbag in there because the airbag is so big!

At 120+, I would advise NOT glancing down period. Oh, and I would also strongly advise no 120+, period, unless on a track designed for that speed. Seriously. Unless you like this look :death:. Just MHO.
Agreed. I've had several of my cars to a local drag strip. There's no time to sit there, gazing at your voltmeter! If something's wrong with oil pressure, the car's seriously messed up anyway and in need of major repair (and a light will be on somewhere on the dash). This is not 1964! People simply do not monitor oil pressure, volts, not even temps constantly like they used to. It's "nice" to have such gages... but not something people stare at while driving in a spirited fashion. Road, speed, and tach are the big eye magnets... but even speed and tach are not stared at a lot by a good race driver, shifting is often done more by sound and feel than by watching a tach.

OK -- some thoughts. (after 235 posts that I can't get the whole way thru.......)
1. when I first saw the leaked pics of the interior I was shocked -- for two reasons -- one was it was unauthorized.....two because it looks really bad. Now -- I've seen the final interior design -- and these pics really look bad. ....(So - that's another reason we don't like pics to just appear -- remember all the screaming and carrying on when the white car showed up with the bra -- notice that people have changed their tune already in what, two weeks?)

2. this site seems to be the one site that really has problems with everything about Camaro -- and I've finally figured it out -- it's a few people on this site -- not the majority.....

3. When someone DOES agree with me or one of the 'winkie' club members (someone else's label - not mine) they're accused of -- for lack of a better term -- sucking up. I find that reprehensible. Trust me - I've yet to find a Camaro enthusiast who isn't afraid to speak their mind....
Get real.

4. Console gages......probably one of the most polarizing issues surrounding the concept car.

We got TONS of emails and snailmail and personal visits on them -- and people felt strongly one way or another.

Yup -- we could 'play it safe' and put an IP in there that resembles every midsize sedan out there -- or we could give you something that says "Camaro" -- silly us. I believe in the final analysis that people will like this interior WHEN FINISHED.

They are a historic Camaro cue from the 1st gen car. What makes you think that those are the ONLY gages in the car? Think of the word "redundancy" -- (dang...there's that winkie again!)

5. I go back to the hysteria surrounding the leaked Oshawa photo a couple of weeks ago -- the white car with front and rear bra -- and some people on this site lost their minds. ONCE AGAIN I asked everyone to calm down - and lo and behold -- Ed Peper puts a picture of a white production intent Camaro out there this week -- and wow -- tunes have changed. All I'm asking you is to calm down -- and give the car a chance.

6. I've said this many times before........ANYTIME we change something on a Camaro or a Corvette -- 50% will love it -- 50% will hate it - and 80% of the 50% who hate it will love it or like it 90 days after the car comes out........and I suspect this will happen as well on the Camaro.

7. The 2nd Gen Fcars were highly controversial -- so were the 4th gens -- the C5? People loved it or hated it -- much more negative comments than on the new Camaro. C6? you would have thought the world was coming to an end the way some people caterwalled..........



Frankly -- the response to this car far exceeds our expectations when looking at the many sites out there. Sorry that a few of you don't like what you see. I'm hoping that you'll change your mind when you see it in person.

In the final analysis -- most people on this site feel very strongly about Camaro -- I just ask you to hold off 'til you can sit in a production car -- then make final judgement.
Amen and thanks for your words Scott :cool:

4. Console gages......probably one of the most polarizing issues surrounding the concept car.

We got TONS of emails and snailmail and personal visits on them -- and people felt strongly one way or another.

Yup -- we could 'play it safe' and put an IP in there that resembles every midsize sedan out there -- or we could give you something that says "Camaro" -- silly us. I believe in the final analysis that people will like this interior WHEN FINISHED.

They are a historic Camaro cue from the 1st gen car. What makes you think that those are the ONLY gages in the car? Think of the word "redundancy" -- ;) (dang...there's that winkie again!)

I personally like the guages. I just so happen to like the guages in one big set up on the dash like my 72 and 87 more.
I would like to see a digital DIC screen between the two of the guages. I think that the bar for interior design has been raised very high with the new Malibu.

Lets just say, hypotheticly GM got bad press over the interior. I would assume that there are or were at least 2 or 3 other designs in the running. How much longer would it take for GM to reverse gear, get one of the other designs ready for production, send it out to suppliers, and get it mocked up and ready?


5. I go back to the hysteria surrounding the leaked Oshawa photo a couple of weeks ago -- the white car with front and rear bra --

So the car was at Oshawa? hrm. I dont know if whe all knew that yet.

6. I've said this many times before........ANYTIME we change something on a Camaro or a Corvette -- 50% will love it -- 50% will hate it - and 80% of the 50% who hate it will love it or like it 90 days after the car comes out........and I suspect this will happen as well on the Camaro.

Agreed. I think that a lot of people will like the interior and any type of features it has will attract nonfbody people into this car. I think that GM also has to look to people that would normally disreguard this car as just some garish hunk of crap.

7. The 2nd Gen Fcars were highly controversial -- so were the 4th gens -- the C5? People loved it or hated it -- much more negative comments than on the new Camaro. C6? you would have thought the world was coming to an end the way some people caterwalled..........

Ahahaha...OMG NO MORE POP UP HEADLIGHTS! WORST CORVETTE EVAR!! OH EM GEE IM GUNNA DIE IF THE CAR COMES WITH FIXED HEADLIGHTS!!

*pops top off advil bottle*
*swallows contents of bottle*
*washes it down with a liter of Vodka*

They had to bring in a clean up crew after the puddle of drool I left around the C6. Not nearly as much as in Detroit in 06 though.. :D


Frankly -- the response to this car far exceeds our expectations when looking at the many sites out there. Sorry that a few of you don't like what you see. I'm hoping that you'll change your mind when you see it in person.

In the final analysis -- most people on this site feel very strongly about Camaro -- I just ask you to hold off 'til you can sit in a production car -- then make final judgement.

True. Thats why I think it says "Caution: Strong Opinions Inside!"
and if it doesnt, it should...

Member RAMPANT was kind enough to clean up the interior with a photoshop pic of it. He did take some liberties with the center stack (and added a manual shift!!!) but are y'all REALLY that opposed to this? I think it looks killer.

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/4/1/5/f_interiorPrem_3e7432a.jpg

Member RAMPANT was kind enough to clean up the interior with a photoshop pic of it. He did take some liberties with the center stack (and added a manual shift!!!) but are y'all REALLY that opposed to this? I think it looks killer.

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/4/1/5/f_interiorPrem_3e7432a.jpg


That's EXACTLY what was in my mind!!!!!! :bow: I only wish I had the computer and artistic skills to do that :(

If the final product anywhere similar to this, those who scoff at GM and don't trust Scott shall eat a nice slice of humble pie!

They are a historic Camaro cue from the 1st gen car. What makes you think that those are the ONLY gages in the car? Think of the word "redundancy" -- ;) (dang...there's that winkie again!)

That would be cool.

Member RAMPANT was kind enough to clean up the interior with a photoshop pic of it. He did take some liberties with the center stack (and added a manual shift!!!) but are y'all REALLY that opposed to this? I think it looks killer.

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/4/1/5/f_interiorPrem_3e7432a.jpg

It looks better. Still not my cup of tea but he did a fairly good job with the photoshop. I guess we'll have to wait till the official GM pic is released of the interior.

The darkening of the pics does help, fixing the seats improves the overall look (obviously) and the center is WAY better (except for the large protruding knobs).

Can you do something with the steering wheel in those photochops? ;)

Bob

PS....I actually like the gauges in front of the shifter.

What I don't like are the colors (again, it's unfinished) and the shifter (it's the wrong kind :D ) I think that interior would look great in all black.



The darkening of the pics does help, fixing the seats improves the overall look (obviously) and the center is WAY better (except for the large protruding knobs).


PS....I actually like the gauges in front of the shifter.

I had a feeling that seeing it in black would make a huge difference ;)