Link to pics & stats for new CTS

http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14700

I hate to say this but I don't think I like it. Maybe more pics will help.

That is a big car but I like it. :cool:

Linky no worky for me.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4065/holyshizzxn5.png
I knew GM would be using those vents again! Saweet!
Now we must greedily look for the CTS-V.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43050

that is one nice car :bow:

Simply STUNNING.

Fantastic styling inside and out!

They took a groundbreaking styling car in the original CTS, and enhanced it in just about everyway.

Well done. :thumb:

Very sexy. One thing that strikes me a little oddly at first glance is the length (front to rear) of the rear window, at the top. It almost seems a bit too short, sort of the opposite problem that the previous generation Jag XJ had when they made the extended version, and the rear window was far longer than the front. I think it is simply because of the aggressive rake of the C pillar; the upper part of the rear window is "cut off" by the angled pillar, so the top edge of the window is a tad short.

It sure wouldn't keep me from buying the car, because overall it is a sexy beast. :D

Perhaps some more pics and angles (not to mention seeing it in person) will change it. Again, no biggie, but it just seems slightly off somehow.

Interior = sweetness. The glimpse of the leather chair in those pics looks like some nice, soft leather.

First truly impressive Caddy car interior I've seen, ever. That is of course assuming the quality and materials match the looks.

And by impressive I mean "at least on par if not class leading at the moment"... I also specify "car" because the Escalade has already done it for the SUV market.

I don't care what the GM koolaide drinkers want to say - the STS and DTS just are NOT competitive on the inside - still look cheap and GM corporate compared to the competition.

This CTS, on the other hand...:cool:

I only have one minor complaint - the steering wheel looks out of place (why is that a common theme in GM vehicles these days??)

Oh and I have to question the size... are they moving everything up a bit in size or what? What happens to the weight and the price?

I for one, am a little disappointed that the sharp creases are being softened...I liked the original Art & Sciences look.

Still has the foot pedal for the parking brake. :(

Still has the foot pedal for the parking brake. :(I saw that, too, and almost felt the same way. But honestly, do you really plan to rotate the rear with the e-brake?

Back when they were really used as e-brakes, falling right to hand might have been a little more important. But now that they are pretty much only used as park brakes, it seems trivial to me.

FWIW, a quick check reveals that the G35 and the Lexus IS both have it on the floor also, although the 3 series still has it on the console. I guess it is just one more thing to clutter up the console, in some sense.

On the other hand, I've been in cars where the e-brake pedal (in the disengaged, raised position) actually is uncomfortably close to my shin if my foot is on/near the dead pedal area. It has made me wonder if this isn't something that can/should affect crash test scores, since I'd rather not have a broken shin thanks to the e-brake pedal...:think:

I saw that, too, and almost felt the same way. But honestly, do you really plan to rotate the rear with the e-brake?

Back when they were really used as e-brakes, falling right to hand might have been a little more important. But now that they are pretty much only used as park brakes, it seems trivial to me.

FWIW, a quick check reveals that the G35 and the Lexus IS both have it on the floor also, although the 3 series still has it on the console. I guess it is just one more thing to clutter up the console, in some sense.

On the other hand, I've been in cars where the e-brake pedal (in the disengaged, raised position) actually is uncomfortably close to my shin if my foot is on/near the dead pedal area. It has made me wonder if this isn't something that can/should affect crash test scores, since I'd rather not have a broken shin thanks to the e-brake pedal...:think:


Yeah, the take rate on the stick is pretty low. Most people with the auto probably never even use it.

It took me awhile to get used to mine, since I apply the parking brake whenever I park. The last car I've had without a handbrake was my 4 speed '80 Citation.

When will we get more detailed information on features and specifications? When will people be able to configure on the website, and when will people actually get to buy it?

Exterior length, width, height, front track, rear track, weight, weight distribution?

Interior leg/head/shoulder dimensions and trunk volume?

Transmission options? Final drive ratios? Mechanical limited slip rear differential optional?

Wheel & tire size options? Run flats or conventional w/ space saver spare or conventional w/ full size spare?

Front/Side/Rear crash test ratings (NHTSA, IIHS, NCAP)?

Fuel Economy (old standard and new standard)?

Not that anyone needs or wants all of these, but what unique gimmicky features (what some use to bench race luxury cars) will it have that is offered on other Cadillacs or the competition...
auto tilt down mirrors in reverse on either side?
heated/power folding/auto dimming driver & passenger side mirrors?
heated power steering wheel?
heated/cooled front seats? heated rear seats?
rear ac vents?
stereo internal hard drive for music files?
split 60/40 folding rear seat?
fancy/gimmicky brakes with drying functions & brake precharging (like 3-series)? front & rear vented disc brakes?
belt pretensioners at all 5 belts?
HUD?
bi-xenon projectors?
Intellibeam auto hi beams?
side to side adaptive projectors?
adaptive cruise control?
rear parking camera or rear parking sensors or front/rear parking sensors?
tire pressure monitoring (using wheel speed sensors to detect rotation or actual pressure sensors)?
active dampers with the special magnetic fluid?
side thorax & head curtain airbags for all 4 outboard passengers? knee airbag for driver?
adjustable whiplash protectors for all 5 passengers?
power and/or manual rear sunshades?
puddle lamps in all 4 doors?
rear fog lights?
heated wiper blade park position?
heated wiper fluid?
remote and keyless start?

When will we get more detailed information on features and specifications? When will people be able to configure on the website, and when will people actually get to buy it?

Exterior length, width, height, front track, rear track, weight, weight distribution?

Interior leg/head/shoulder dimensions and trunk volume?

Transmission options? Final drive ratios? Mechanical limited slip rear differential optional?

Wheel & tire size options? Run flats or conventional w/ space saver spare or conventional w/ full size spare?

Front/Side/Rear crash test ratings (NHTSA, IIHS, NCAP)?

Fuel Economy (old standard and new standard)?

Not that anyone needs or wants all of these, but what unique gimmicky features (what some use to bench race luxury cars) will it have that is offered on other Cadillacs or the competition...
auto tilt down mirrors in reverse on either side?
heated/power folding/auto dimming driver & passenger side mirrors?
heated power steering wheel?
heated/cooled front seats? heated rear seats?
rear ac vents?
stereo internal hard drive for music files?
split 60/40 folding rear seat?
fancy/gimmicky brakes with drying functions & brake precharging (like 3-series)? front & rear vented disc brakes?
belt pretensioners at all 5 belts?
HUD?
bi-xenon projectors?
Intellibeam auto hi beams?
side to side adaptive projectors?
adaptive cruise control?
rear parking camera or rear parking sensors or front/rear parking sensors?
tire pressure monitoring (using wheel speed sensors to detect rotation or actual pressure sensors)?
active dampers with the special magnetic fluid?
side thorax & head curtain airbags for all 4 outboard passengers? knee airbag for driver?
adjustable whiplash protectors for all 5 passengers?
power and/or manual rear sunshades?
puddle lamps in all 4 doors?
rear fog lights?
heated wiper blade park position?
heated wiper fluid?
remote and keyless start?

Some of that stuff is in this thread http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14705.

Nice! it give it a very BOLD look :)

Some of that stuff is in this thread http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14705.

Sweet! The 3.6L, 258 hp engine is the BASE engine for U.S. When I first read that all three engines are available, I was a little unsure. I thought that would mean the 210 hp, 2.8L version was the base, to go against the IS250 and the like. But the IS only has one uplevel six, whereas it sounded like you'd have to option up two levels in the CTS to get to the 300+ hp DI V6.

Further reading showed that the current top six, the non-DI 3.6L, is the base engine for NA. Only exports get the 2.8L. This is awesome. So you get either a 258 hp engine, or a 300 hp engine, with either six speed manual or automatic. :bow:

I think about the only hole is that you probably have to get the auto to have AWD. This is also the case on the IS (and currently only with the smaller 2.5L V6). I don't think this is a major issue at all, given the take rate on manuals in general.

I'm a dyed in the wool manual tranny fan (when it comes to cars), but even I'd be tempted by some of these newer six speed autos with paddle shifting and the like. Those cars are SO smooth...

Just got back from the press intro (my shots will be up on Autoblog soon), and this car is amazing - I'm blown away. I can't wait to take one for a spin.

Just got back from the press intro (my shots will be up on Autoblog soon), and this car is amazing - I'm blown away. I can't wait to take one for a spin.That's the reaction I was hoping for after sitting in a close-to-production camo'd car a few months ago.

It really is a sharp car.

:cool:

Just got back from the press intro (my shots will be up on Autoblog soon), and this car is amazing - I'm blown away. I can't wait to take one for a spin.

Please tell me your pics are better than tose released.

I like it a lot...it's a huge improvement over the current car, which when sitting next to its competitors looks plain cheap.

I don't think I would pick one to park in my garage, but they should sell like crazy. Those near lux sedans are everywhere here - any flavor you can name.

I'll issue this promise to those on this forum: if come October 2007, I can lease this CTS, in comparable configuration, to a BMW 335i, for the same or less $$, then I will have a CTS in my driveway. That's even if I don't quite like the way the CTS drives, as much. Now if it's a huge difference then I may pass - but everything I hear from you GM guys is this is the second coming of the GM, here - and if the driving experience and lease price is as impressive as that interior... then I'm sold.

Now I understand the residuals on the BMW are likely higher, but I'm not a charity - but the Caddy will have the advantage of the fact that I have a GM card with ~5 grand saved up on it, so whatever the max allocation is toward the CTS will help toward the down payment on the lease.

Just got back from the press intro (my shots will be up on Autoblog soon), and this car is amazing - I'm blown away. I can't wait to take one for a spin.

Eric, please clarify - are you blown away by its looks or did you actually get a chance to put it through a short series of your engineering 'evaluations' and come away impressed by the results?:)

I can't see the other pics so I'll have to go by the one posted here.

The side view looks very good with a nice muscular stance. I'm not fond of the porthole though.

The front doesn't seems as bad as I thought it was going to be, but it's hard to say with this angle and lighting. The grille is definitely too big, it gives the front end a very heavy, almost droopy, look. The Audi-ness doesn't seem too pronounced here, which is good, but I think it's probably a function of the lighting.

Overall I think that with a smaller/tidier grille this could be a good evolution of the current model.

I can't see the other pics so I'll have to go by the one posted here.

The side view looks very good with a nice muscular stance. I'm not fond of the porthole though.

The front doesn't seems as bad as I thought it was going to be, but it's hard to say with this angle and lighting. The grille is definitely too big, it gives the front end a very heavy, almost droopy, look. The Audi-ness doesn't seem too pronounced here, which is good, but I think it's probably a function of the lighting.

Overall I think that with a smaller/tidier grille this could be a good evolution of the current model.

I think these are Eric's pics. If not they still make the car look much nicer than the others.

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/2008-cadillac-cts-1/

That is gorgeous!!!

Verrryy nice!!! The new dash/center stack looks to be light years ahead of the old one. Personally, I wasn't so sure about the steering wheel at first, but it looks fine after a couple of viewings. The guages are interesting, if wee bit busy. I for one like the fender vents.

The only "bad" comment (if you can call it that) I have is that the grille looks vertically big.

All in all though, it's a very nice evolution of the A&S theme. Without the 2.8 I wonder of the entry level price is escalating or if the "base" 3.6 will be less expensive than a 3.6 CTS is now?

If possible I think I like the new CTS more than the outgoing one - Bravo Cadillac - now bring on the V.

I think these are Eric's pics. If not they still make the car look much nicer than the others.

http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/2008-cadillac-cts-1/ That silver car on the turntable is absolutely sexy. Much more flattering than the press release photos of the orange car.

I want to have children with that car. :o

Nice job on those autoblog pics, Eric (or whoever took those particular shots).

:bow:

EDIT: I just noticed that the close up of the 9 spoke wheel on the silver car reveals a 255/40ZR19 tire/wheel combo. The press release mentioned 17s as standard with 18s optional. Is this just a dress up for the auto show? I'd think not, since it is supposed to be the production version unveiling. I'd assume there is also a 19" option, but I didn't see it mentioned in the press release. 255 section width is pretty meaty; this is not the V we are talking about...

:yes:

Nice job on those autoblog pics, Eric (or whoever took those particular shots).


Thanks much for the compliments! It's very difficult to shoot good photos in the auto show environment, so we just do the best we can while fighting it out with hundreds of other photogs. My wife's Christmas present to me - a Nikon D80 - doesn't hurt :)

Threxx, I base my evalution only on a visual inspection of the cars they had on display. Of course, the real proof-of-the-pudding will be a road test of a production sample, but I never felt that vehicle dynamics were a weak point of the current CTS so I'm not expecting to be disappointed.

Some of that stuff is in this thread http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14705.

I can't get that thread to come up. The CTS press release thread must be very popular and overloaded. I can see the press release thread on the new G6 GXP though:p

I can't get that thread to come up. The CTS press release thread must be very popular and overloaded. I can see the press release thread on the new G6 GXP though:p

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43050

That one should be working. Both site's servers are a bit overwhelmed at the moment.

And if all else fails GM's press releases should work.
http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/events/autoshows/07naias/brands/cadillac/07_NAIAS_Cadillac_%20CTS_Tech%20and%20Craftsmanshi p.htm
http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/events/autoshows/07naias/brands/cadillac/07_NAIAS_Cadillac_CTS%20Specs_rev121506.htm
http://media.gm.com/us/gm/en/news/events/autoshows/07naias/brands/cadillac/07_NAIAS_Cadillac_CTS_Performance.htm

Cadillac will truly be a world brand once this car's out.

It doesn't try to be anyone else, and it's distinctly Cadillac..... and a extremely good way. :bow:

Very impressive inside and out . Erics pics of the Silver car portray the front end MUCH better . Great Job caddy , this thing is gonna be hot .

Ehhhh....looks awkward. I'll have to wait for NAIAS to see if it looks good in person. Personally, the interior could have gold in it but it'd still look ugly to me. :shrug:

Thats a sharp car, nothing not to like in my book.

If the CTS-V is intended to get the LS7, does that mean it will also get a large hike in price compared with the previous generation LS6 and LS2 CTS-V? Similar to the price increase from the C5 Z06 to the C6 Z06?

Loaded 07 CTS sport with every option but automatic hits $42,275, and CTS-V picks up at $53,3700 to start, ~$10,000 differential. If the 2008 CTS with all those new goodies tops out at say $45,000, there would seem to be a a bigger gap if CTS-V goes to $65,000 or more.

Is there any hint that GM may offer something in between the 300HP DI V6 and the 500 some HP V8?

Now that is one sweet Caddy. The interior is a major upgrade over the current model. I can't wait to see what the CTS-V will look like.

I like the huge sun roof. Im not too big on the grille. It looks like Mercedes competition, whereas I expected BMW competition. I saw the last CTS as looking more sporty than typical Caddy. This looks like pure luxury. I guess that differentiates the G6?

Those pics. from the Autoblog of the unveiling make the car look a whole lot better. Something about those GM pics. make the rear of the car look like its up in the air.

I thought we saw a pic of the part of the rear, back from the 60min. show that showed a whole lot narrower taillights. With the current taillights it looks kind of like the STS from the rear.

I can't wait to see in person to see what kind of impact it will have, the interior looks great, I wonder how many color combos they will have with the leather.

Its going to be interesting to see how much visal impact they will give the CTS-V when it comes out.

Cadillac will truly be a world brand once this car's out.

It doesn't try to be anyone else, and it's distinctly Cadillac..... and a extremely good way. :bow:

You got it!! The car is beautiful!

Looks like they got the body to tire gap down to a minimum. A low stance absolutely makes the car. I love it.:D

I was just looking at the thread on Cheers and Gears, and someone posted pics of the dashboard next to the previous car's, along with shots of the those in the new for '07 G35, the IS350, the Acura TL, and the BMW 335i.

In my humble (and maybe a bit biased ;)) opinion, this CTS interior is now at the top of that class. Exterior too.

It is still a tad larger/heavier than the 3-Series and IS, so it will be interesting to see how a comparison plays out.

But in terms of style, I'm calling this car the class of the class.

Just awesome.

Is there a nav unit display hidden in there?

There's something about those 3 gauges that I just don't like.. I dunno what it is... I just don't think I'm a fan of those shiny rimmed ovals..

Nose looks kind of wierd when I first saw it, then a few more pics, it grew on me.

I'm more excited about the Pontiac G8 personally, with a 6 speed and a V8 :) Maybe that'll change when I see the CTSv :)

I think my main complaint when I first saw pictures is how low the grill and the front of the car is. The hood and front 1/4 panels drop from the firewall quite a bit as they come forward and that makes the grill and headlights lower than they were on the previous CTS and much lower than the VE cars. I think that is what threw off my opinion at first.

I dont really like it. In fact I really dont like it. But I don't think pictures do the current CTS justice either, so we'll see if this is better on the road too...