RS, would you put hard earned money down if it was an appearance package

RS used to mean hidden headlights with doors that closed from the sides, different more flush grille, different darker tail lights with the back up lights removed and got their own spot lower on the tail. It could be a straight 6, an SS or a Z28. It was strictly an appearance package.



http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/3f/8e/ce_2.JPG

I dont think we will see closing doors again but I think the RS returning to its roots is entirely possible. There are two ways that I can think of that it would work.

1.) If you dont have the grille recessed on the sides and you have headlights that are darkened when off like the headlights on the concept it will give the car a 68 RS look

http://www.classicchevy5speed.com/images/Shawn_Stevensons_68_RS_Cama.jpg

2.) The other way I see doing it is going for a 69 inspired look. rather than having doors that open on the headlights and having something blocking the headlights like the 69, it would be more likely to make 2 or 3 slotted headlights on each side that give the old RS look like Kris Horton's chop with the two sloted headlights if anyone remembers that.

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_9912AUCCWCA.jpg

Would an RS version interest you personally as something you would buy with your hard earned dollar and what do you think of this possibility?

http://i8.tinypic.com/25iqfbr.jpg

If they get it to look like that red drawing, I'm in. :cool:

If they get it to look like that red drawing, I'm in. :cool:

I agree.

If they get it to look like that red drawing, I'm in. :cool:
x3:)

I'd buy an RS just based on the fact that I could own a Z28/RS.

RS is just an appearence package and nothing more. Never was. Since We agree hidden headlights are out of the question, and slotted headlights are illegal (can't have anything blocking the headlight beam according to the DOT, this includes sitting them behind a widely spaced grille), the question becomes what would an RS package consist of.

The idea of the appearence of the 4th gen Z28 was based on stealth. A base looking car with serious bite. The RS package added ground effects all around and gave it a more racy, "look-at-me" look.

The 3rd gen's RS made a regular Camaro (V6 and V8) look just like the Z28 minus decorative hood scoops.

2nd gen's RS had a full grille and signal lights moved next to the headlights early on. The later "Rally Sport" was a 2 tone paint package trimed by decals.

Creating a different front end for the RS isn't likely to happen, and 2 tone paints haven't caught on yet. What's left is an RS package that would likely be nothing more than ground effects, a rear spoiler, and Z28's rims (SS would still have the best visual rims). If we're lucky, maybe even a different grille texture, but certainly nothing more.

This would be a competitor for the Mustang "Pony Package". It would be a hit with the younger guys (under 25) whose insurence company probally has issues about them buying a 425+ horsepower vehicle, and would prefer the designation "V6" under the engine catagory. This would be just like the RS buyers who bought the 3rd and 4th gen Camaros. A package that costs GM very little to offer, yet gains very high profit margin on. That means you can probally skip the rims in the drawing. :lol:

The RS would be a non-starter for the Z28 crowd. Camaro SS is the car of choice by a HUGE margin from Camaro buyers who want a step up from Z28.

ESPECIALLY when adding the RS package to a loaded Z28 puts the price within spitting distance of the SS, so the idea of a Z28/RS is moot.

The RS will be a cool package. You should all get off the hideaway headlight kick though.

Rally Sport is an appearance option. Period.

However, don't make any assumptions at this point in terms of what appearances COULD include!

;) ;) ;) (there's that winkie thing going again for those of you who are obsessed with such things!)



(opera windows and padded vinyl top are a definite 'no!')

[QUOTE=guionM]RS is just an appearence package and nothing more. Never was. Since We agree hidden headlights are out of the question, and slotted headlights are illegal (can't have anything blocking the headlight beam according to the DOT, this includes sitting them behind a widely spaced grille), the question becomes what would an RS package consist of.
QUOTE]

um are u sure:confused:...then how does the new boss have something blocking the headlight beam
http://www.planetmustang.com/pmimages/ford_boss_mustang_072606.jpg

RS being an appearance package that adds GFX, more pronounced spoiler, and different rims are exactly what I want. Whatever trim level I get I want the GFX and Spoiler.

I didn't even care much for the 4th Gens without the GFX. They were a little too blah without them to me.

RS is just an appearence package and nothing more. Never was. Since We agree hidden headlights are out of the question, and slotted headlights are illegal (can't have anything blocking the headlight beam according to the DOT, this includes sitting them behind a widely spaced grille), the question becomes what would an RS package consist of.

Even if that is true, I can think of a couple ways to get around it. You could always use three smaller rectangular units and stack them with a matte part at the seam... That would cost a good bit, but its the same connector, and you're changing the grille anyway.


The RS would be a non-starter for the Z28 crowd. Camaro SS is the car of choice by a HUGE margin from Camaro buyers who want a step up from Z28.

Im pretty sure most people are assuming a Z28/RS would be noticeably different from a plain RS, or SS.

[QUOTE]ESPECIALLY when adding the RS package to a loaded Z28 puts the price within spitting distance of the SS, so the idea of a Z28/RS is moot.

Im pretty sure this is getting into the territory of things that we would all like but wont happen because they are too cost prohibitive. Once this car starts selling like we know it will I think GM should definetly be generous with the investments, otherwise why revive it.

If nothing else V6/V8/V8 should be diffrentiated by more than just badges. An RS package with less substance would even be ok if the content varied every few years.

RS being an appearance package that adds GFX, more pronounced spoiler, and different rims are exactly what I want. Whatever trim level I get I want the GFX and Spoiler.



If that's what you're hoping for, you'll be disappointed - and most will be relieved.

Rally Sport is an appearance option. Period.

However, don't make any assumptions at this point in terms of what appearances COULD include!

;) ;) ;) (there's that winkie thing going again for those of you who are obsessed with such things!)



(opera windows and padded vinyl top are a definite 'no!')

I remember some discussions on this topic that make me think an RS package is a likely option. To me, it seems a no-brainer that the option of an RS/SS and an RS/Z28 appearance package should find its way onto the 5th gen option list. It's a natural given the car's design cues.

[QUOTE=guionM]RS is just an appearence package and nothing more. Never was. Since We agree hidden headlights are out of the question, and slotted headlights are illegal (can't have anything blocking the headlight beam according to the DOT, this includes sitting them behind a widely spaced grille), the question becomes what would an RS package consist of.
QUOTE]

um are u sure:confused:...then how does the new boss have something blocking the headlight beam
http://www.planetmustang.com/pmimages/ford_boss_mustang_072606.jpg

That's not the real Boss, that car isn't factory...it's someone's creation, and those lights are illegal for sale.

Even if that is true, I can think of a couple ways to get around it. You could always use three smaller rectangular units and stack them with a matte part at the seam... That would cost a good bit, but its the same connector, and you're changing the grille anyway.

GM won't invest in a whole new lighting unit just for an appearence package.

Im pretty sure most people are assuming a Z28/RS would be noticeably different from a plain RS, or SS.

You could get the RS appearence package on the last Z28. People got the SS instead and it's completely understandable. When a loaded Z28 with an RS package and a base SS are only $30-40 per month apart, and SS holds it's value better, it no surprise.


Im pretty sure this is getting into the territory of things that we would all like but wont happen because they are too cost prohibitive. Once this car starts selling like we know it will I think GM should definetly be generous with the investments, otherwise why revive it.

At 100,000 per year, with an upper limit of Mustang's 160-175K, there's only so much that's going to happen. With RS being a cheap way to get a fancier Camaro without springing for an SS and without dealing with the Z28's insurence, and most all of them bought on V6 cars, things like unique headlights and new sheetmetal aren't likely.

If nothing else V6/V8/V8 should be diffrentiated by more than just badges. An RS package with less substance would even be ok if the content varied every few years.

I'd expect the Mustang and Firebird approach. Little things. Maybe the addition or change in location of foglights. Different grille. Exhaust tips and/or dual outlets. Ground effects. That would be the extent of it... if we're lucky.

If that's what you're hoping for, you'll be disappointed - and most will be relieved.

Yep, rewriting Camaro history is what this site is all about. Seems there's a desire here to make an RS be a "super Z28" and completely forget Camaro SS is the top 'visual' Camaro. :)

Guys, the RS isn't going to visually outshine the SS, & it's not a "super Z28" (again that label belongs to the SS).

The RS is most likely going to show up as a package on V6 or mid level Camaro or perhaps even be the mid level Camaro (the 1st year anyway).

Charlie, you're right in another point as well..... I for one am relieved.:lol:

The RS is most likely going to show up as a package on V6 or mid level Camaro or perhaps even be the mid level Camaro (the 1st year anyway).



Don't be surprised if it's available across the board. ;)

RS available across the board? I dont understand why they'd have a specific RS model, why not just make it an app package you could get on on either the Z28 or SS? Hence the Z28/RS or SS/RS.

I want a Z28RSS :D

RS available across the board? I dont understand why they'd have a specific RS model, why not just make it an app package you could get on on either the Z28 or SS? Hence the Z28/RS or SS/RS.
Thats what he said

Thats what he said

Yea but that's not what Guy said...

Guy drinks too much Merlot and thinks Malibu's are cool. ;)

Guys, you gotta remember to think in terms of a TRIM and APPEARANCE package. RS is not a model, it is an option of sorts that could have been added to any model.

The RS will be a cool package. You should all get off the hideaway headlight kick though.


What would you say would be the coolest part about it? :D

It comes with an ice chest built in.

Guys, you gotta remember to think in terms of a TRIM and APPEARANCE package. RS is not a model, it is an option of sorts that could have been added to any model.

exactly...

Im not a fan of the front of the Camaro myself. The grille is probably the one reason I am torn between the new Challenger, or the Camaro. If the Camaro was to look like this, it would definitly settle my Challenger/Camaro debate.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/Liberals-whiner/camaro1.jpg

Guy drinks too much Merlot and thinks Malibu's are cool. ;)

ROFLMAO :D

Here is a 67 SS WITH the optional RS package.

No, It does not have the badges, but it does have the package.

There were a lot of things added to the RS that makes the car stand out as the absolute best looking!!! :)

If looks could kill...;)


C:\WINNT\Temp 2\Outgoing E-mail Attachments\Camaro\SS 67.jpg

C:\WINNT\Temp 2\Outgoing E-mail Attachments\Camaro\SS 67.jpg
LOL owned by the intarweb

you need to upload the image to some server like www.putfile.com and then copy the URL

Let me try this again...


http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=2dlnos8

hell yes...my 97 is going to be sold for sure

I'd like to see an RS appearance package if it was kept relatively simple. If it's got different ground effects and some sort of silly spoiler, then I'd pass, but if it had the hideaway headlights and perhaps some other subtle differences, I could definately see myself doing an RS/Z28 or RS/SS package. :)

YOU GUYS CAN FORGET ABOUT THE HIDEAWAY HEADLIGHTS ALREADY.

Its not gonna happen.

Jim85IROC now your talking:cool: :cool: :cool:

"but if it had the hideaway headlights and perhaps some other subtle differences, I could definately see myself doing an RS/Z28 or RS/SS package."

The RS made the(1st Gen) the "Show Car" of the Camaro:) :) :) :) :) :) :)


Michael

Im not a fan of the front of the Camaro myself. The grille is probably the one reason I am torn between the new Challenger, or the Camaro. If the Camaro was to look like this, it would definitly settle my Challenger/Camaro debate.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b194/Liberals-whiner/camaro1.jpg


yup that is the camaro i want !!:bow:

If the R/S looks like that, and can be had on a Z/28, I'll be getting a Z/28 R/S!

YOU GUYS CAN FORGET ABOUT THE HIDEAWAY HEADLIGHTS ALREADY.

Its not gonna happen.

What if it was outsourced? Like SLP or something. Where the headlamp covers are 3 rows of LEDs (maybe for daytime running "lamps"), and you can flip the covers open for the stock lamp. THAT would be AWESOME to me!!

I want an RS/SS, with SS on the center of a revised (read: better) grille.

YOU GUYS CAN FORGET ABOUT THE HIDEAWAY HEADLIGHTS ALREADY.

Its not gonna happen.

Why is that? I guess I must have missed something :shrug:

The only "appearance" package I could see myself spending extra for would be one that incorporated hideaway headlights. Personally, I think they look GREAT and wouldn't think twice about shelling out the extra cash for them.

..........and I'm the type of person who doesn't even like spending the extra money on cruise control when I order a car!!

What if it was outsourced? Like SLP or something. Where the headlamp covers are 3 rows of LEDs (maybe for daytime running "lamps"), and you can flip the covers open for the stock lamp. THAT would be AWESOME to me!!

I want an RS/SS, with SS on the center of a revised (read: better) grille.

TRU !!!

RS/SS with a 427 sbc 505 hp and 6 speed (hell 7 speed manual):bow:

My Camaro will have the most powerful engine, a manual transmission and any every option. Be it an RS Hideaway headlights and SS trime. Hence a RS/SS Camaro for me.

I am #1 on the list at my dealer so when the flag drops I am sure I will get a call from the GM so they can sit down with me to discuss options and what their cars (Camaro wise) should be equipped.(I used to be the inventory/sales/ordering guy there.)

I am looking forward to seeing what the production Interior looks like..

Then of course you have the Challenger just waiting to be launched..going to get exciting.....REALLY exciting..

The Way i see it, if RS were an option it would be like stated before something to spice up only the looks of the v-6. My wife owns a 99 firebird with the "appearance package" and it cost her new what a lower end Trans Am would have. Dont get me wrong its a beautiful car its pewter and has a black single strip kit with firebird emblem on hood, but most people see it dont know better and assume its a trans am. Then Like last night when i cant pull on a nissan sentra, I wonder "Why not use that extra money on a V-8" And commenting to an earlier post about (pre 25 year olds driving v-6's) Im 23 and once i got a job, ive always been able to afford ins. on a V-8!

I expect RS to be available across the board.

I expect RS to be available across the board.

Me too. I'm hoping we're right! I always liked the Z/28 emblem offset in the grille. If so, wonder how they'll work the emblems~?

If they get it to look like that red drawing, I'm in. :cool:

:D x4

I've wanted the red drawing exactly as shown, but in black ever since I saw it in Popular Hot Rodding Mag (over the summer?) and I want it to be called an RS/SS.

According to Hot Rod Mag's Camaro options the RS package will not be available on the Z28 sorry guys :D :p (Yes I realize Hot Rod is only guessing and has no idea what they're talking about...)

I've wanted the red drawing exactly as shown, but in black ever since I saw it in Popular Hot Rodding Mag (over the summer?) and I want it to be called an RS/SS.

I agree. I'd like the red one as presented (if they can't cover the headlights that won't bother me, but I do like the look of it in the pic) right down to the wheels.

Only Silver or White for me please. :)

I'm wondering, since the avalability of an RS package is pretty much a given, what about a V6 performance package? Can the two co-exist?

and slotted headlights are illegal (can't have anything blocking the headlight beam according to the DOT, this includes sitting them behind a widely spaced grille)

Another reason why the friggin DOT needs to be abolished. :mad: :mad: If I want to throw my tax money in a garbage can, I don`t need them to do it for me!

Ok so I am venting a little...

Seriously though, I know this is true. I used to have the GTS covers over my 94 Z28`s headlights, and I know I could have been pulled over, even though they were completely clear!!!! A freind of mine actually got pulled over twice for having them, and once the officer stood over his shoulder while he was taking them off!
Can someone tell me why this law is even in effect/enforced? I can understand having standards on this, but how much harm would having blockage like what you see in the photochops be?

If I had my way, I would buy a fully optioned Z/28 RS.

I would love to see an RS package on the new Camaro.

I would love for my Camaro to be an AFM variant LS3 6 speed with an RS appearance package. That would just make my day. :D

Indeed on the first gens. RS was an appearence only package, foldaway headlights, different tail lights with backup light moved below the back bumper, special chrome trim below the doors, RS steering wheel, RS emblems, etc., it had nothing to do with drivetrain/suspension. When I bought a RS in 1967 it was a 327cid 2v with a three speed manual. When I bought my '69 Z/28 it did not have the RS package on it, though ones that did certainly looked a little better to me. I'll take my '09/'10 Z/28 with or without an RS package, I'm far more concerned about overall performance/hp/suspension to be concerned with whether or not it has RS available.
Clyde

I've spend a few k so far converting my 68 to have all of the RS equipment. My answer is yes

It depends A LOT on how it looks. If it's a good looking package, I'll buy it as long as it's not crazy expensive.

[QUOTE=JP2005]

That's not the real Boss, that car isn't factory...it's someone's creation, and those lights are illegal for sale.

How about this Saleen? I just saw one the other day at a car show

http://saleen.com/2007-saleen-parnelli-jones/profile.jpg

Ok so covering the headlights might not be allowed so someone(who is better than I) photoshop some "Hide away" running lights, ok looking at the concept that might not work unless thee bottom grill is wider.

Anyway I'd spend the money on it as long as it looked good.
ID also like to see it include more of the comfort and styling options rolled into one package, keeping the Z28 and or SS packages to include only performance packages/options.

[QUOTE=guionM;4060174]

How about this Saleen? I just saw one the other day at a car show

http://saleen.com/2007-saleen-parnelli-jones/profile.jpg

To answer your question, no that is not a Boss. Ford wouldnt allow it. It is a Saleen "Parnelli Jones" edition. PJ is on the steering wheel. That is why you see it has 302 above the strip rather than Boss. It is modeled after the Boss very closely and essentially it kinda is a boss. Having said that its real name is Parnelli Jones after the race car driver of the 70's Boss as Ford owns the Boss name.

I would love to see hideaways....
How are hideaway headlights (doors) any different than pop-up (as far as the laws are concerned)?

Well, pop-ups like on older Vettes would cause more serious injuries if you happened to accidentally hit someone. It's a public health issue. Instead of getting splattered ont he hood, you get your skull or leg cracked by a headlight thta doesn't necesarily have ot be up at all.

Hide-aways, though, I've never seen a video of them in operation to say if I like them or not. I can't see what the hustle about it is though, besides from the retro-1st gen crowd.

An RS package, of course there will be one. Look at the Cobalt. Look at any car. They all have appearance packages nowadays. You just might have to buy some extra to get it.

Let me try this again...

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=2dlnos8
Argh! Z/28 stripes on an SS? Somebody shoot me. :D
I've wanted the red drawing exactly as shown, but in black ever since I saw it in Popular Hot Rodding Mag (over the summer?) and I want it to be called an RS/SS.
Purists are sensitive on the order... RS or Rally Sport was an appearance package added to the base, SS or Z/28 Camaros.

It's SS-RS, or Z/28-RS, or just plain RS. (I used to get it wrong myself for years until I was corrected. :D)

I'd have to see what the package includes and what it looks like on the car before I can decide if I like it or not.

I've wanted the red drawing exactly as shown, but in black ever since I saw it in Popular Hot Rodding Mag (over the summer?) and I want it to be called an RS/SS.

According to Hot Rod Mag's Camaro options the RS package will not be available on the Z28 sorry guys :D :p (Yes I realize Hot Rod is only guessing and has no idea what they're talking about...)

Here is what i want my rs to look like:D
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f121/chevyfreak1822003/myfirstphotoshopblackversioncopy.jpg

Argh! Z/28 stripes on an SS? Somebody shoot me. :D

What is the difference between Z28 stripes and SS stripes?

http://www.firstgen.com/gallery/69_Jittery_Joes.jpg

Here is what i want my rs to look like:D
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f121/chevyfreak1822003/myfirstphotoshopblackversioncopy.jpg

Make it Silver or White, lose the stripe and add some subtle sideskirt/rear GFX and I agree. That front lip extension already has the look of a front ground effect.

Oh and a large sunroof. :)