If we go by today's Camaro announcement, Oshawa will be a busy place in 2008 and after.

So, my question is: How much more capacity will Oshawa have assuming that it gets both Camaro and Impala? Enough to also handle GTO, Monte Carlo, and a Pontiac/Buick sedan? (Yes, I know Holden may be building the sedans for a while at least) But, add in a Buick droptop,an El Camino and a Monaro and things start to look mighty tight for capacity at Oshawa.

So, what if Wilmington is being eyed as the "zeta-expansion" plant as the number of models increases of the next few years? Let's just suppose that this is part of the Zeta game plan and Imports from Holden are a stopgap. Now,the set-up for Zeta could begin at Wilmington anytime whereas at Oshawa there will be a wait until its current products end production. So if Wilmington is intended to be part of the plan, who's to say certain models might not be produced on a different timeline than we now expect.

Just food for thought.

 

Oshawa has a capacity of 500,000, so if the Camaro + Impala amount to 325,000, then that still leaves 175,000 for a GTO, Grand Prix, and Lucerne.

 

Hmm, well that begs the question is that enough volume to cover the Pontiac and Buick sedans? Seems a bit tight. Add in the GTO, Monaro, Buick vert, and an El Camino and I don't see it being enough.

 

Why are 2 C&G guys talking about this on the CZ28 board?

Like I said in the other thread I think that you are over-estimating the Pontiac and Buick sedan's volumes. They are going to be low volume halo vehicles, I don't think that those two of GM's brands can put out high volume RWD sedans, mcuh less in the same showroom.

 

91Z: The Lucerne's volume is targeted at 100k by GM if I remember correctly (for the Zeta model).

I think 300k is probably what the Camaro + Impala will sell after I thought about it some more. So if the GTO sells 20k, the Grand Prix 80k, and the Lucerne 100k, that'd be 500k. I think those other products are farther down the line (Monaro is only like 5k anyways, and Buick vert would be under 10k), and could be built in another C-Flex plant anyways.

 

Malibu will be marketed as the volume car, and will grow to the current Impala's proportions.

The Grand Prix as of this moment isn't part of the Zeta program. Neither is Lucerne. Like 91_z28_4me mentioned, there seems to be overestimated numbers for the RWD Pontiac and Buick sedans.

El Camino isn't likely to be made at Oshawa. It's almost certain to be made by Holden at Fisherman's Bend.

Imports from Holden will probally be permanent. Suddenly ending production of 30K+ cars in a factory that makes 180K or so would have a serious effect at Holden and those who work on the assembly line.

The current Grand Prix & Lecrosse has no production schedule beyond 2008. Both, intrestingly, are made at the same Oshawa plant. The other plant makes Impala and Monte Carlo. Monte Carlo looks destined to end at close of next year's production run (2008) while Impala seems like it's continuing till the end of the 2009 model year.

If nothing changes, seems one Oshawa plant will be set up for GM's NA RWD (with a maximum capacity of something like 185,000), and the other will have an extra capacity of 40-70,000 FWD cars.

 

A good GTO should easily be able to sell Vette #'s. Priced right ($29,995 base) and styled right the car should have no problem doing 35,000+ units per year.

A well styled Grand Prix RWD should sell at least Charger #'s if not 97-03 numbers.

 

Interesting, with the malibu growing to current impy proportions what will chevy do to fill that hole or will it not be filled at all?

 

As of this moment we have Camaro, Impala and a Lucerne replacement.

Holden can also export maybe 20,000 units here. I can see Pontiac replacing the VZ GTO with some of these:


The spoiler would have to go though.

 

Guy, what about the GP and LaX re-skin? Wasn't that planned for 2008? Or was it a backup plan in case the Zeta business case didn't go through?

Hmm...Maybe it won't take as long as we thought to get Zeta to market.

 

Lucerne?

 

Lacrosse no.

As of February, the Grand Prix was scheduled for a reskinning before being moved to RWD in 2010 or 2011. I haven't heard anything new about it since.

Plans had at least 1 Holden coming in for Pontiac.


BTW: the new GTO is on for 4th quarter 2008 as a 2009, so it too looks like it's going to Oshawa.

 

It was to be the Zeta Lucerne replacent and DTS replacement. But apparently, the Zeta DTS has been cancelled or merged with the next gen STS.

 

Guy, are you saying that a future GTO would come before or at the latest, concurrently with the Camaro?

 

That seems to be the case. Preproduction Camaros are scheduled for the end of 2008, and the GTO was approved for production nearly 6 months before Camaro.

So far: GTO 4th quarter 2008, Camaro 1st quarter 2009.

Hope to get Impala's start date soon.

That's surprising. I was told awhile ago that the DTS replacement would be based on Sigma, not Zeta. This was around the same time the DTS got its current redesign.