Anyone miss the old days?

-Z/28 vs SS

-IRS vs Live Axle

-Camaro vs Mustang

-LS1 vs S/C 4.6

-Struts vs SLA


Is it me (hey I don't know, could be :shrug: ), but it's not quite as exciting around here anymore......

Z28, LRA, Camaro, LS1, and SLA FTW!

Wheeeeee!

I think we could still argue about this stuff if we wanted to. However we seem to be busy with the "what engine did the concept really have" debate :)

T-tops or roll down 1/4 windows.

I think we could still argue about this stuff if we wanted to. However we seem to be busy with the "what engine did the concept really have" debate :)
Yeah, that was a real knife fight.

Cancelled and not coming back for a long time or... Something under wraps that no one knows about... And having people believing Kris Horton's concept was the Camaro to be...
Oh, the good old days...

Yeah I'm feeling the same way....

I also know too much now to be really all that excited...

The Private Camaro Showing in Dallas in a few weeks will be a lot of fun....

But yeah when I come here I just read the threads, type "your wrong", put my 2 cents in and go on with my day...

Atleast the newbie horde died down...

It'll become even less interesting once GM announces Projected Dates, Engine Options, Suspension Options, etc... Then there will be nothing to talk about... hehe

That's why I spend more time over at the Future/Auto News board...

Yeah I'm feeling the same way....

I also know too much now to be really all that excited...

The Private Camaro Showing in Dallas in a few weeks will be a lot of fun....

But yeah when I come here I just read the threads, type "your wrong", put my 2 cents in and go on with my day...

Atleast the newbie horde died down...

Does anyone say you're not your? :p

sorry couldn't resist.

I'll take a bit quieter and being content with the knowledge a new Camaro is coming, around the time my current car is payed off. :D

I think we will see LS4 vs. 4.6L 3v and 6.2L L92 vs 6.1L Hemi debates once the new car start to come out.

-Z/28 vs SS

-IRS vs Live Axle

-Camaro vs Mustang

-LS1 vs S/C 4.6

-Struts vs SLA


Is it me (hey I don't know, could be :shrug: ), but it's not quite as exciting around here anymore......


Yep.

I used to loose alot of work time because we had frequent threads, good debates, the occasional wanderer from the lounge, GM bashing, and the dead horses that just kept getting beaten to death. Now I have more time to surf, and there isn't that much going on.

Sort of blends in with that thread I started when the concept came out, the "Futures" section was split, and suddenly, GM people were telling us more about Camaros publically than any info we could ever scrounge around & find. The only debate now is who's getting a version of the Zeta sedan, and pin the tail on Camaro's intro date. :lol:

But you are right. It has gotten quite a bit dull around here the past few months

When you build your excitement for 4 years. It is kind of a let down after.

You cats are gonna be pissed when the 5.3L Z/28 comes out with 320hp and drum brakes on the rear.....






(runs and hides)

I felt like it would happen in the days leading up to the NAIAS. It seems the predominent theme for all of us here was pulling for a new Camaro. Now that it's accomplished so to speak, it's sort of like....MISSION COMPLETE.

Now what?



Did you order your CTS?

I bet the camaro still comes with a 4l60e

Did you order your CTS?

Not yet. '07 ordering info will be available within a week. I'll make my decision soon.

Does anyone say you're not your? :p

sorry couldn't resist.

I'll take a bit quieter and being content with the knowledge a new Camaro is coming, around the time my current car is payed off. :D

:)
I've been busy....I type too fast....missed it...

It's definitely different nowadays. The "secret club" feel of the forum is gone somewhat. Just imagine what it'll be like once the car is actually on the streets. The climax has been reached with the unveiling of a 5th gen to-be. There will be another ripple with the production version's debut, but what will we speculate about then?

There's nothing to complain about, though. It is funny how I've become interested in all aspects of the auto industry just by following the 5th gen/future forum and I bet I'm not alone. In fact, it's the auto news side that I find the most intriguing now. I can't wait to see how GM's lineup pans out over the next few years.

We could talk about the hardtop convertible stablemate...

You cats are gonna be pissed when the 5.3L Z/28 comes out with 320hp and drum brakes on the rear.....






(runs and hides)
you're the :devil:

-Z/28 vs SS

-IRS vs Live Axle

-Camaro vs Mustang

-LS1 vs S/C 4.6

-Struts vs SLA


Is it me (hey I don't know, could be :shrug: ), but it's not quite as exciting around here anymore......

Speaking of which, since you brought it up. What is your idea of the Z28? HP? engines? IRS? Price range?

I am sure when it comes out there will be alot to chat about. We will still talk about what we like, how it handles and rides and runs compared to our 4th gens and so on

Speaking of which, since you brought it up. What is your idea of the Z28?

The top model:D


HP? engines?

A LOT making funny noises....


IRS?

Across the line....


Price range?

More than the others;)

Yeah it certainly has calmed down around here a bit. We had a lot of fiery debates over the hiatus though. What will be really depressing is when the model lineup comes out from GM and we really see the winner of the Z/28 vs SS debacle. That would put to rest one of the most heated debates this board has probably ever seen :lol:

Oh well, maybe when the 5th gen comes out, Jason will give us a 6th gen section to duke it out in :cool:

There's nothing to complain about, though. It is funny how I've become interested in all aspects of the auto industry just by following the 5th gen/future forum and I bet I'm not alone. In fact, it's the auto news side that I find the most intriguing now. I can't wait to see how GM's lineup pans out over the next few years.

Here Here!

Here I feel like an auto idiot but outside of this site and just in general car chatter with any average Joe/Jane, I feel somewhat like an industry insider with the stuff we get here.

I read this stuff so much that my closer friends are always asking about new GM cars. Especially "Well, when do they think the Camaro is coming back...." and so on.

When I go to Atlanta for the pre-unveiling at the auto show i'm not sure how i am gonna describe to them exactly what I am doing, lol. Oh well... they dont have to understand.

If you put IRS on it, it will be a porker and cost $40,000! Gimme a live axle!

If it doesn't have IRS, it will spontaneously explode on a rough road! I want IRS!

If SS isn't the top model, then I won't buy a Camaro!

Mustangs are girl cars!

Camaros are mullet-mobiles!

Put a blower on an LS1 and it will destroy an 03/04 Cobra!

That's a ricer argument!

Z28 has always been the factory racer, and if it isn't the top model I ain't buyin a Camaro!

If it isn't a 3rd gen with an LS7 I'm not buyin it!

OMG, struts are the lamerz, gimme SLA or else!

We need struts, because SLA + IRS = $5 billion Camaro!

:lol:

Thats funny

Eh, I wanted my cheap 5.3 sport coupe, but now I'm under the assumption that's not happening...which is a shame IMO. It may turn out ok though...my co-worker's husband is selling a 327 '69 Camaro RS coupe that I think my dad might be very interested in.

His 3,500 mile SOM M6 '02 Formula will need a new home :( I'm about to have no car payment :D Guess where THAT car will be ending up :D

If you put IRS on it, it will be a porker and cost $40,000! Gimme a live axle!

If it doesn't have IRS, it will spontaneously explode on a rough road! I want IRS!

If SS isn't the top model, then I won't buy a Camaro!

Mustangs are girl cars!

Camaros are mullet-mobiles!

Put a blower on an LS1 and it will destroy an 03/04 Cobra!

That's a ricer argument!

Z28 has always been the factory racer, and if it isn't the top model I ain't buyin a Camaro!

If it isn't a 3rd gen with an LS7 I'm not buyin it!

OMG, struts are the lamerz, gimme SLA or else!

We need struts, because SLA + IRS = $5 billion Camaro!

:lol: Ah.... a walk down memory lane. :D

It is soooooo slow in here!!!!!!!!

I agree with JRP4UC and Graham on this one. I have always been a car nut and always looked everywhere for the newest car coming out. Now I look for every post from people like Scott and Guy to learn about platforms and other little known stuff. Now my friends as well keep asking me questions about what's upcoming. (rant over) With that said there is so little info out there right now that's fresh about our crown jewel, there's nothing to say.

I think the arguments about the 5.3 were pretty good, but that has kind of died down.

Maybe we can argue about whether the new Camaro will be more fun than a Mustang, Solstice, or GTO.

I'm sure the SS v Z28 "top dog" debate could be rekindled.

There are a lot of questions I still am curious about...

Is it possible to offer SLA in the car at all, or perhaps later in the run? How advanced will the strut be?

Are the higher end Camaros going to get as much "tuning" as the GXP (that is relative to the base)?

Can we expect any 5th Gen Camaro to outrun a C6 around a road track this time around?

What will the base engine be? Which V6? Will it have AFM?

What packages are we likely to see? Can we get some excitement out of the base with a "Pony" like package?

Will there be more than 1 wheel size per year?

What will we get for the 6th Gen? :)

I think the arguments about the 5.3 were pretty good, but that has kind of died down.

Maybe we can argue about whether the new Camaro will be more fun than a Mustang, Solstice, or GTO.

I'm sure the SS v Z28 "top dog" debate could be rekindled.

There are a lot of questions I still am curious about...

Is it possible to offer SLA in the car at all, or perhaps later in the run? How advanced will the strut be?

Are the higher end Camaros going to get as much "tuning" as the GXP (that is relative to the base)?

Can we expect any 5th Gen Camaro to outrun a C6 around a road track this time around?

What will the base engine be? Which V6? Will it have AFM?

What packages are we likely to see? Can we get some excitement out of the base with a "Pony" like package?

Will there be more than 1 wheel size per year?

What will we get for the 6th Gen? :)

The struts will be a cut above the struts we've seen from GM so far. They'll be "multi-link" struts, similar in philosophy to BMW's double pivot struts. We'll see how well they'll work, I've got my fingers crossed.

And I sure will be disappointed if we don't get a Camaro model which even transcends the GP GXP's level of focus. And what I'm talking about here, is a revived 'real' Z/28. It won't be for the faint of heart. But I also expect - since no Firebird - various other Camaro models....including an SS and others.

As far as wheel sizes.......think large. Those 4th gen 16" and 17" inch wheels will look very quaint in comparison.

I guess thats one good way to look at it. Maybe with no Firebird to take development dollars, we can get a few more special edition Camaro's. :)

I guess thats one good way to look at it. Maybe with no Firebird to take development dollars, we can get a few more special edition Camaro's. :)

Maybe not so much 'special editions', more like a full line up.

There is no way to prove that Firebird took development dollars from the Camaro...

Regarding the wheels, I don't doubt we will see bigger ones, but the issue on the 4th was really that there wasn't much variety.

The struts will be a cut above the struts we've seen from GM so far. They'll be "multi-link" struts, similar in philosophy to BMW's double pivot struts. We'll see how well they'll work, I've got my fingers crossed.

And I sure will be disappointed if we don't get a Camaro model which even transcends the GP GXP's level of focus. And what I'm talking about here, is a revived 'real' Z/28.

:D ;)

The struts will be a cut above the struts we've seen from GM so far. They'll be "multi-link" struts, similar in philosophy to BMW's double pivot struts. We'll see how well they'll work, I've got my fingers crossed.

And I sure will be disappointed if we don't get a Camaro model which even transcends the GP GXP's level of focus. And what I'm talking about here, is a revived 'real' Z/28. It won't be for the faint of heart. But I also expect - since no Firebird - various other Camaro models....including an SS and others.

As far as wheel sizes.......think large. Those 4th gen 16" and 17" inch wheels will look very quaint in comparison.

Good info. Nothing we have read before on here, but it is good to see it restated.

There is no way to prove that Firebird took development dollars from the Camaro...

:irk: :no: :shrug:

Jason.... we really need to get that "Bang your head on a brick wall" icon option up!

I agree. You can sit around all day and say that the majority of the Fbody budget went to the Firebird. But how do you leap to the conclusion that without the Firebird the Camaro would have gotten the same budget? It seems like it was decided how little money they wanted to spend on the Camaro. Otherwise they would have spent more.

We might as well start talking about how every other vehicle at GM took Camaro dollars.

Clarification:

1. Fbody program assigned budget Z
2. Camaro had X dollars spent on it
3. Firebird had Y dollars spent on it
4. X + Y = Z
5. X < Y
6. Therefore, Firebird stole money from Camaro

The conclusion 6 does not logically follow for the 5 premises no matter how much it is posted. Firebird had more money spent on it is all you can say. Now I would have long ago conceded the point if someone would demonstrate that either: Chevrolet and Pontiac both argued about how much each car should get and somehow when it was decided Pontiac won out; or that if there was no Firebird, Camaro would have got a budget larger than X.

It seems unlikely that Pontiac would get to have its way with the Fcars since Chevrolet has a history of always getting its way

The second what if scenario would only be speculation anyway.

1. Fbody program assigned budget Z
2. Camaro had X dollars spent on it
3. Firebird had Y dollars spent on it
4. X + Y = Z
5. X < Y
6. Therefore, Firebird stole money from Camaro

Do we even know for sure that #1 was true?

It could have worked like this:
1. Camaro program assigned budget X
2. Firebird program assigned budget Y
3. Camaro had X dollars spent on it
4. Firebird had Y dollars spent on it
5. Conclusion: X and Y have nothing to do with each other

Either way it’s obvious the Firebird had more money spent on it and made less money back for GM.....

I don’t know how you can argue that…

Forgive me, I'm a little new around here -- what evidence is there that Firebird had more money spent on it?

Forgive me, I'm a little new around here -- what evidence is there that Firebird had more money spent on it?

Scott Settlemire said so.

Scott Settlemire said so.

That my friends, pretty much ends this argument over whether the Firebird had more money spent on it than the Camaro!
Now, would the F-bodies have had as large of a budget without the Poncho? And if not, would the resulting shrunken budget have been equal to the portion that was left (from the combined budget) after the Firebird had her way with it? That to me, is the question to ask.

Scott Settlemire said so.
Ah.

Did Scott also say that this caused GM to abandon the project, or did we make that up?

Scott Settlemire said so.


Yeah and if Guy has to type out the reasons again I think he may strangle someone.....:p

Ah.

Did Scott also say that this caused GM to abandon the project, or did we make that up?

What project exactly are you talking about?

JakeRobb:

The Firebird had a larger share of the Fcar budget. I can't remember if Mr Settlemire said so or not, but it did have more noses fwiw. The next step that many make is to claim that the Firebird took money that would have been used on the Camaro, ie stole it. It is really more of an academic discussion, and nobody really thinks that is what caused the end of the 4th Gen.

The only point I have ever argued is whether the Firebird actually "stole" money from the Camaro. That implies that the Camaro would have gotten the money otherwise.