In my opinion...

I feel odd making this my first post in so many months, BUT...


What good is a new Camaro without T-tops??! Half the fun of owning a z28 is a midnight cruise with no destination in particular on a warm summer night with the tunes cranked and the wind in your hair.

Oh, and the interior is god awful looking. Should the car make it to production I hope they make it more appealing inside.

That is all.

Well there will be changes to the interior as has been told but alot of the design will stay . T-tops will be nice when ever for those that like them but they do need a Vert

there's always a convertible, but t-tops are the best of both worlds to me. Structural rigidity of a hardtop, open air feeling of a 'vert.

Interior = that is subjective taste. There are a lot of folks that think the outside is ugly too (me not being one of them).

As for the T's....I like them too, but they just wouldn't look right on this particular car. Plus perhaps T-tops have a certain hillbilly stigma attached to them? That may be reaching a bit too far but it seems to to me the car moves upscale w/o the T-top consideration, and the cars should be cheaper across the board since even hard top 4th gens were engineered under the skin for the T-top setup.

Is there any chance for a targa? T-tops were great in the Camaro but now that I've got a Vette I'm totally into the targa one piece roof. A little harder to remove/replace solo but worth it IMO.

The interior just need to be toned down a bit. And no guages on the console, talk about taking your eyes off the road!

As for T-tops--I am hardtop guy. T-tops do not make a Camaro. RWD, V8,2 dr, 2+2 does.

I feel odd making this my first post in so many months, BUT...


What good is a new Camaro without T-tops??! Half the fun of owning a z28 is a midnight cruise with no destination in particular on a warm summer night with the tunes cranked and the wind in your hair.

Oh, and the interior is god awful looking. Should the car make it to production I hope they make it more appealing inside.

That is all.

I've come to the conclusion that T-tops on this car would look awful. Thank of an 80s Mustang coupe with T-tops, and you get the idea. The new Mustang would (and will) look great with them, but without the thick "B" pillars, the car isn't going to look right.

As for the interior, I actually like it myself. :)

As for the interior, I actually like it myself. :)

Me too.

The iterior looks much better close up than in photo's.

I like the interior with the six speeds marked appropriately aroudn the shifter, that version is pretty good.l

I feel odd making this my first post in so many months, BUT...


What good is a new Camaro without T-tops??! Half the fun of owning a z28 is a midnight cruise with no destination in particular on a warm summer night with the tunes cranked and the wind in your hair.

Oh, and the interior is god awful looking. Should the car make it to production I hope they make it more appealing inside.

That is all.

Irrational much??

T-Tops Suck as far as im concerned. They are far from the be all, end all that everyone makes them out to be. I have them in my 3rdgen, and I could definitely live without them, so to say they shouldnt make a 5th gen without t-tops is just downright retarded.

The interior is god aweful eh? how about offering up some suggestions then... I for one liked it. It wasnt so cookie cutter as alot of stuff looks today.

All in all, I would say your opinions werent missed in the absence of posts.

I don't know if I'd like T-tops on this car or not either, but since so many people seem to want them, I think that would be a worthy task to undertake; to offer them as an option and make them look good.

I've only seen pictures of the interior and it's tougher to get a 'feel' for it, as opposed to the exterior of the car, so I can't really weigh in on that. In a way I don't see why we can't have the gauges down where they were, if they're not the most used ones that a lot of people look at, like the speed and gas gauge! :D

Im sure the people that did the Avalanche will have something special for the roof . No way in hell it will be T-tops , but how can they turn there head on the ordering popularity @ $1000 a pop on the last model .

Flip side ....

Mustang sells hand over foot without so much as sunroof option for years .

Guess we'll see in 200?

I LOVE t-tops but they would look odd on this car...

Targa is a great idea though!

Sunroof!!!!!:p :D

Sunroof!!!!!:p :D
The more I think about it, the more a sunroof will do. T-tops arent a priority for me anymore like they were/are on my 4th gen. At least a sunroof is fine. No way I want a straight hardtop, especially on a fun to drive sport coupe. The open air experience adds to the fun factor and experience. Most of us have 4th and 3rd gens which came with t-tops anyway, so those of us keeping them got that to fall back on. Thats how I feel.

Best use of T Tops Ive seen From TFBA Forum "Jared"

http://www.ricekiller.com/images/103005_126_640x426.jpg

Honestly though mine have rarely been out. Dont have alot of models linning up to pose with my car lol. Could do without. Especially after hearing about back windows rolling down adding 100 lbs. How much does taking out most the roof add?

Targa would be the way to go on this car if you didnt want a convertible. T-Tops will not work on the new Camaro as they would look very bad without a B-Pillar.

I don't have T-tops on my 99, and it will not affect my decision on the new one. I can roll down the windows for open air motoring, and I don't like to sit in the sun and bake.

there's always a convertible, but t-tops are the best of both worlds to me. Structural rigidity of a hardtop, open air feeling of a 'vert.

Absolutely WRONG! The t-top roof alters structural integrity significantly! Leave it a coupe and a convertible!!!!! If you want open air, suck it up, save an extra 3 grand, and get the vert.:)

First off, I never said make ONLY t-top cars, a couple of you guys are already way too passionate about a car that may not ever even see the assembly line. I'm talking about options. That seemed to be a pretty obvious point. I'd like to see them offer a car with a removeable roof. Convertibles and hard tops aren't my style. No manufacturer in their right mind would offer only ONE option on a sports car, use a little common sense. Some reading comprehension is missing here. These are my OPINIONS, not the "if I was god, this is the car I would make" type of post. They're options and changes I personally would like to see, don't like it? That's fine, considering the car doesn't exist yet.

T-tops, targa tops, same damn thing, removeable roof panel(s) is what I'm getting at. I don't like convertibles. Heavy, windy, loud, more expensive, and more maintenance. Targa/T-top cars are FAR more structurally sound than a convertible. I never said they were on par with hardtops, but it's not as far off as you may think as far as structural soundness. Evidently everyone skipped reading and went straight to forming opinions about an imaginary car. Catch the "to me" part? I Personally like t-tops/targa roof panels, I don't care whether you do or not, but It would be a great option for those of us who like them.

My suggestions for the interior for that one special smartass with a measly 32 posts who thinks he's running the forum now: less yellow neon lights, less brushed aluminum, more practicality. I couldn't see anyone using that cabin for everyday driving. LOL Considering I've been breaking from the forum longer than you've been a member, YOUR opinion is the one that wouldn't be missed.

Also, I don't think this car will be as affordable, with or without removeable roof panels, as the 4th gens. Independent rear suspensions, more technology, and an ls2 engine is sure to drive the price higher.

Let's take one last look at my original post and see if it makes more sense now:

I feel odd making this my first post in so many months, BUT...


What good is a new Camaro without T-tops??! Half the fun of owning a z28 is a midnight cruise with no destination in particular on a warm summer night with the tunes cranked and the wind in your hair.

Oh, and the interior is god awful looking. Should the car make it to production I hope they make it more appealing inside.

That is all.

there's always a convertible, but t-tops are the best of both worlds to me. Structural rigidity of a hardtop, open air feeling of a 'vert.


Good points and you're right, they are your opinions and you are entitled......but you did say "Structural rigidity of a hardtop". I just have to disagree, I have a 3rd gen with t-top and while I love it, the hardtops were A LOT tighter, unless you add subframe connectors, strut tower brace, etc. To design and engineer them as an option would cost a lot more too I think. I just hope they let it be, I think their time has passed. If you keep the small rear windows with no b-pillar, it provides a really open feel with them all down, at least it does in my 69!:)

Good points and you're right, they are your opinions and you are entitled......but you did say "Structural rigidity of a hardtop". I just have to disagree, I have a 3rd gen with t-top and while I love it, the hardtops were A LOT tighter, unless you add subframe connectors, strut tower brace, etc. To design and engineer them as an option would cost a lot more too I think. I just hope they let it be, I think their time has passed. If you keep the small rear windows with no b-pillar, it provides a really open feel with them all down, at least it does in my 69!:)
I have to agree with you. I have kind of a pessimistic view but to me T-tops are the worst of both worlds. You don't have the structural rigidity of the coupe and you don't have the same open air feeling of a convertible.

Best use of T Tops Ive seen From TFBA Forum "Jared"

http://www.ricekiller.com/images/103005_126_640x426.jpg


That reminds me, the best part of T-tops is that they're removable! And when they don't come off, at least they're see through!

Seriously though, even if you don't have them out you still get a lot more light in the car and can still look out and see the sky. My last car was a hard top, and I did miss them.

I'm not interested in T tops, I dont think it would look right on this car either.

I think it's cool that the car appears to have 4 windows that roll down and NO B piller! That could more then satisfy me!

I like the interior! Simple, Classy, hints of old/flair of new, I'd take it as is!:)

As long as it's more roomy, I'm for it! My 98 is so tight on trips, I frequently switch with my passenger because I know the passenger seat isnt much of a comfortable one with the hump and close dash.

That reminds me, the best part of T-tops is that they're removable! And when they don't come off, at least they're see through!

Seriously though, even if you don't have them out you still get a lot more light in the car and can still look out and see the sky. My last car was a hard top, and I did miss them.

Yeah, I have a sunroof in the Aveo and it's nowhere near as nice as the TTops in the Camaro. I liked very much having the glass roof for the same reasons you point out.

I don't understand why so many are complaining they don't want TTops as an option. If you don't want them, don't get that option. If you think they don't look right, don't get that option. Why all the negativity when you can get the car however you want it? Some of us want TTops, others don't. Why can't we all get what we want?

I personally can't stand the look of convertibles. Does this mean I should get a petition started to not have it as an option just cause I don't like it? No, I just get the options I want and let those that like convertibles enjoy them even though I think they're ugly (especially the 4th Gens)...

I'm not interested in T tops, I dont think it would look right on this car either.

I think it's cool that the car appears to have 4 windows that roll down and NO B piller! That could more then satisfy me!

Does this mean it shouldn't be an option for those that DO like TTops?

I like the interior! Simple, Classy, hints of old/flair of new, I'd take it as is!:)

I saw it as over the top and far from 'simple'. But that's me.

As long as it's more roomy, I'm for it! My 98 is so tight on trips, I frequently switch with my passenger because I know the passenger seat isnt much of a comfortable one with the hump and close dash.

More roomy? I had tons of room in the front 2 seats of my '02. I sat in the passengers side of my '02 a number of times and never found the dash to be close to me at all. The front seats went so far back (a good thing imo) that I had to bring the drivers seat forward slightly. That's something I've never had before, most don't go back far enough. And I still don't get the 'hump' thing. Why is your (or anyones) foot all the way up there? it's up closer to the seat than I place my feet. Hence it was a nonissue.

For those of you who are down on T-tops, you might not be aware that every single 4th gen started life as a T-top. I've seen photos of the production line, and all you see is T-tops. A hardtop 4th gen is a T-top with some sheet metal GLUED on with structural adhesive. The 4th gens are truly the best of both worlds. The center spine retains the stiffness needed, so it's a different situation compared to a targa top. All sunroof will get you is increased weight, more mechanical complexity, less headroom, leakage issues, and a smallish hole in the roof. :(

Just to clarify I did not mean that since I don't like T-tops I don't think the car should have them as an option. Quite the opposite in fact. So many people love them I think the car will lose sales without a removeable roof of some sort. I personally will go one extreme or the other next time. Just my opinion. And regardless of whether or not they all start as T-tops the Hard tops are more structurally sound. T-tops aren't that bad, but the hard tops are better.

TTops are pretty much a must have for me, I probably won't buy a 5th gen if it doesn't have them.

And in addition to the open air, one reason I like them is because they are totally 70s-80s retro. Nothing says Camaro/Firebird like cruising Panama City Beach with Poison cranked and the T-Tops off.

Plus The Bandit had them. If The Bandit did it, then so should you :)

Plus The Bandit had them. If The Bandit did it, then so should you :)

:shock:

:shock:

Heh heh, yep it's true - Smokey and The Bandit, plus the image of 3rd Gens cruising the Redneck Riviera imprinted on my brain at an impressionable young age, plus Knight Rider - That's why I have a Camaro.

In my opinion.....

The 5th gen should stray as far from the smokey and the bandit image as possible :barf: (no offense ;) )

However I do want the Camaro to have t-tops but after seeing the car in person, it would really hurt the look of the car. Maybe leave them out until the next gen or incorporate them later. I was one of the biggest supporters of t-tops too, but once you see the car in person, you realize how much they would destroy the look of the car.

Honestly, maybe having rear windows that go down wouldnt be such a bad thing for awhile, since it looked really good with the rears down.

Heh heh, yep it's true - Smokey and The Bandit, plus the image of 3rd Gens cruising the Redneck Riviera imprinted on my brain at an impressionable young age, plus Knight Rider - That's why I have a Camaro.

Yeah it was a good movie and he went through it with a cowboy hat and a hair piece stapled to his head with the t-tops out but thats not going to sway me. The other thing that gets me is people seem to want to put in B Pillars to save 100lbs then take out most the roof???:think:

BTW what does Knight Rider have to do with T Tops?

Yeah it was a good movie and he went through it with a cowboy hat and a hair piece stapled to his head with the t-tops out but thats not going to sway me. The other thing that gets me is people seem to want to put in B Pillars to save 100lbs then take out most the roof???:think:

BTW what does Knight Rider have to do with T Tops?

How did kitt eject people? T-Tops. And after they quit referring to the car as a Trans Am, Michael Knight always referred to it as "My T-Top". The view up through the glass t-tops was also a prominent camera angle.

Anyhow, that's why I want them. I'm not saying it's rational, but the Camaro is my "way back machine" and it's stuck between 1977 and 1989.

How did kitt eject people? T-Tops. And after they quit referring to the car as a Trans Am, Michael Knight always referred to it as "My T-Top". The view up through the glass t-tops was also a prominent camera angle.

Anyhow, that's why I want them. I'm not saying it's rational, but the Camaro is my "way back machine" and it's stuck between 1977 and 1989.

Yeah, thats cool you like the look. I think if I had used mine more Id be more appreciative of them. I like the look with the rear 1/4 windows rolled down with the front. Having that all power able to put them up at your finger tips makes it even better. My 69 needs help rolling the rear, but the car is almost 40 years old. I would hope there would a more reliable system that wouldnt need help. Mercedees seem to do it. Would be interesting to hear Scotts thoughts.