What is going on with 350Z & G35 drivers???

In the past two weeks I have had 4 G35 coupes and 3 350Z's mess with me in the SS. Almost all of them were very hostile and pissed when they got dusted. One 350 driver reacted quite violently to my lisence plate when he read it (ssmoked). He jumped his car twice like he was going to rear end the SS at the light, he then gave me the bird and other arm waving gestures. When the light went green I left him behind with his anger. I slowed again to let him catch me and get violent, and then I changed my mind and hammered it again to leave him talking to himself, I didn't want to give him the satisfaction. As soon as they see or hear my car they begin to drive crazy, weaving and trying to catch me. Do VQ drivers hate muscle cars or something? Is there a rivalry generating between these cars? Two G35 drivers were actually cool, spoke to both of them at the lights and they were curious what I had to see how they stacked up. This is beginning to get fun, new mustangs want no part of me and I never run into F-bodies or Cobras. My work is in the middle of a maze of office buildings, and there are seemingly dozens of VQ's to destroy daily.

sore losers:shrug:

Maybe they spilled their Starbuck's Moca-lates on their suits when they were racing? I see cars like that racing around all the time, they are probably just pissed about how worthless their investment was.

-Dustin-

Its not really how they react when they lose, its how they react before. Getting all hostile and driving like maniacs. The best one was a guy in his 350 trying to lose me around a wide on-ramp to the highway. He is behind me, then flies around me to lose me on the ramp. I was in my Z28. My Z is very stripped for weight (no A/C, headliner, airbags, carpet pad etc), tubular K-frame and A-arms, cage, -1.5 camber, 2in drop, 275 nitto 555R DR's and 555RII's. I stuck to his ass like glue, I was actually going slow on that ramp for the Z28. So he pushes it, and the back end slides out on him. Luckily he recovered or he would have flew off the ramp and dropped about 20 feet. I blew past him in the merge lane. He then rides 2 inches off my ass for about a mile. I finally braked next to him when he moved to the right lane to give him a piece of my mind and he swings on the off ramp. They are crazy.

From what I have seem when people drive like complete crack heads they are compensating for something. Wether it be accpetance, pride, or "size" they always have to "prove" themselves. Either way its totally unacceptable, I see ricers and quality cars alike driving like maniacs all the time. I think twice before messing with those sorts, they are the kind who run you off the road.

-Dustin-

From what I have seem when people drive like complete crack heads they are compensating for something.

Bingo.

MadKilla - come on now - you're ruining the myth that F-bodies can't handle!

Maybe they spilled their Starbuck's Moca-lates on their suits when they were racing? I see cars like that racing around all the time, they are probably just pissed about how worthless their investment was.

-Dustin-
:lol:

I still think that the worst are the guys who drive minivans. Around my house they seem to think that they're speed demons.

I have noticed a majority of 350Z owners think they are the ****. Its just sad.

I can't wait to put my new motor in so I can put bus lengths on them from a roll in my automatic.

- Z28WannaB

MadKilla - come on now - you're ruining the myth that F-bodies can't handle!
Oh, yeah......well, ummm ya know F-bodies handle ok and all but my car will fly off the road if I run over so much as a pebble. Yeah thats it, solid rear axles are worthless. :D

I still think that the worst are the guys who drive minivans. Around my house they seem to think that they're speed demons.
That is a whole new thread. Minivan drivers have lost their manhood anyway, i don't like to make fun of them. They have major issues with compensating for their complete lack of testosterone. I read a sig quote somewhere that sums it up perfectly, "Men who drive minivans should trade in their manhood for a nice, juicy hamwallet" lol

Because they think they are fast...it is all perspective. They putt around for years in very slow cars and finally upgrade (some of these cars are very nice and run pretty well) so they think they can just lay smack everywhere they want.

Just last week alone I spanked the **** out of a few Altimas, GTPs, Maximas...but they normally get in the right lane and back off when I leave their delusional asses like they pulled the e-brake.

I swear the "Lightning - 12 second Club" sticker on my Lightning must to these guys mean like 0-60 mph or some **** like that.

I've noticed the same thing about the G35 and 350Z's.

The cars look good and are reasonably fast. I honestly think a lot of the guys who buy them think they just bought themselves a "real race car" and are out to prove their manliness. They think American V8 musclecars are dinosaurs and can't wait to dust one.

When they give it a try, only to find out they actually bought themselves a cute little secretary's car instead of a fast one, I don't think they're too happy. :cool:

Then, I think they go nuts on the prowl looking for a musclecar they can actually beat.

...my Lightning...

I love that truck. Pretty damn impressive when its cruising along side a fully modded LE2 LT1 at about 120. I cant wait till I can get one...LE2 and Lightning...I'm saving :D

-Dustin-

I live in San Diego and I'm always getting G35's/350Zs trying me, especially in traffic:rolleyes:. I never even think of doing anything in traffic (just plain stupid) so they just zoom off weaving in and out apparently counting it as a win I guess...:shrug:
I try not to generalize car owners, but with me it's always these G35/350Z owners around here, in the last year I've had at least 5 instances, guess they feel that have something to prove to us...:lol:

I have been noticing a few more g35s around lately weaving in and out of traffic like the own the road...wait til summer when the real sports cars come out to play....thats when reality sets in....;)

Nissan and Infinity must have sales programs that cite these models as being marketable as "Camaro/Firebird" fast.

Customer - "Hows the performance of this 350Z? By the way please hurry Panera Bread is closing soon"
Salesman - "Oh Jemine Christmas they are totally like Camaro Firebird fast, duh boi!"

Reality will set it, they can only run through traffic for so long until eventually they get nab'ed by a F-body.

-Dustin-

I dont speak leather-neck, translation please :D ;)

-Dustin-

Be realistic here. I'm no fan of the vq cars, but do you really believe that the 300 hp 3250 lbs. 350 can't keep up with or beat an LT1 fbody? The new anniversary model 350 can turn mid 13's. On Ls1gto.com we have a regular poster with a bone stock 285 hp model that routinely runs 13.6's @103. Not exactly a huge gap between it and any stock fbody.

Jason
Nissan and Infinity must have sales programs that cite these models as being marketable as "Camaro/Firebird" fast.

Customer - "Hows the performance of this 350Z? By the way please hurry Panera Bread is closing soon"
Salesman - "Oh Jemine Christmas they are totally like Camaro Firebird fast, duh boi!"

Reality will set it, they can only run through traffic for so long until eventually they get nab'ed by a F-body.

-Dustin-

Be realistic here. I'm no fan of the vq cars, but do you really believe that the 300 hp 3250 lbs. 350 can't keep up with or beat an LT1 fbody? The new anniversary model 350 can turn mid 13's. On Ls1gto.com we have a regular poster with a bone stock 285 hp model that routinely runs 13.6's @103. Not exactly a huge gap between it and any stock fbody.

Jason
I never said they were slow, just crazy. They are sweet cars, I tried to talk my wife into the G35, but she went with the less sporty but better made TL. But they are not LS1 fast. A few of them just wanted to see how they'd stack up, like everyone does when they run. But more than a few went nutso, worse than any ricer tantrum I have seen.

Be realistic here. I'm no fan of the vq cars, but do you really believe that the 300 hp 3250 lbs. 350 can't keep up with or beat an LT1 fbody? The new anniversary model 350 can turn mid 13's. On Ls1gto.com we have a regular poster with a bone stock 285 hp model that routinely runs 13.6's @103. Not exactly a huge gap between it and any stock fbody.

Jason

The car in question nor most anyone who posted on this topic has to be worrying about G35's or 350Z's. Stock for stock, yes its a closer race, but thats why I invest [obsess] in modifications for the Z :bow:

-Dustin-

Be realistic here. I'm no fan of the vq cars, but do you really believe that the 300 hp 3250 lbs. 350 can't keep up with or beat an LT1 fbody? The new anniversary model 350 can turn mid 13's. On Ls1gto.com we have a regular poster with a bone stock 285 hp model that routinely runs 13.6's @103. Not exactly a huge gap between it and any stock fbody.

Jason

13.6 at 103 for a 350Z, I'm sure it's possible, but not exacty "realistic" out of a typical one.

Sounds alot like those bone stock LS1's that break into the 12's they're out there, but not exactly the norm.
Using that criteria then 12.9 is still considerably better than 13.6...

They're not that fast. Have a look:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--350Z-Drag-Racing.html

Maybe .2 or .3 faster than a 10 year old, bone stock LT1. What's a little weird is that even with a supercharger, some of these guys are just barely into the 12's.

Looks like most need headers, full exhaust and a pulley to break 13.5.

I don't think many people drivin' 4th Gen fbody's need to be too concerned.

I was just responding to this statement:

<Nissan and Infinity must have sales programs that cite these models as being marketable as "Camaro/Firebird" fast.>

Stock to stock, they are, or pretty close....


The car in question nor most anyone who posted on this topic has to be worrying about G35's or 350Z's. Stock for stock, yes its a closer race, but thats why I invest [obsess] in modifications for the Z :bow:

-Dustin-

So you think 13.6 is a fluke for 300 hp 32XX lbs. car?

13.6 at 103 for a 350Z, I'm sure it's possible, but not exacty "realistic" out of a typical one.

Sounds alot like those bone stock LS1's that break into the 12's they're out there, but not exactly the norm.
Using that criteria then 12.9 is still considerably better than 13.6...

Didn't look at the vid, but if the 285 hp model Z is .2 or .3 seconds faster than a stock Lt1 Camaro, how can you say that people driving 4th gens don't need to be worried about it? Isn't the Lt1 a 4th gen? Not to mention that the new model 350's come with 300 hp now.

They're not that fast. Have a look:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--350Z-Drag-Racing.html

Maybe .2 or .3 faster than a 10 year old, bone stock LT1. What's a little weird is that even with a supercharger, some of these guys are just barely into the 12's.

Looks like most need headers, full exhaust and a pulley to break 13.5.

I don't think many people drivin' 4th Gen fbody's need to be too concerned.

Nissan and Infinity must have sales programs that cite these models as being marketable as "Camaro/Firebird" fast.

Customer - "Hows the performance of this 350Z? By the way please hurry Panera Bread is closing soon"
Salesman - "Oh Jemine Christmas they are totally like Camaro Firebird fast, duh boi!"

Reality will set it, they can only run through traffic for so long until eventually they get nab'ed by a F-body.

-Dustin-

PANERA BREAD?! AhahaAHAhahaa...:lol: Good call.

They probably see an F-body and think how old it must be, since they haven't made any in years. (ducking)

Wonder if new Mustangs get the same treament? Wonder if the new Camaro will?

I thought it was only me who got g35's challenging to a race. And the mini-vans, some do think they are a race car.

I've raced two of them both at my dead spots. But they stayed with me till 80mph on my rear quater panel, after 80mph they both got walked on.

I tried to pick a fight with one once but he wouldn't bite. I WISH they would bug me :lol:

Didn't look at the vid, but if the 285 hp model Z is .2 or .3 seconds faster than a stock Lt1 Camaro, how can you say that people driving 4th gens don't need to be worried about it? Isn't the Lt1 a 4th gen? Not to mention that the new model 350's come with 300 hp now.

How many 4th Gen LT1 Fbodys are stock at this point? Not many. Not around here, that's for sure.

Maybe I should have said, "I don't think many 4th Gen owners reading this post should be worried", since with even relatively mild bolt-ons to an LT1, the brand new 350Z is watchin' tailights.

Look at the times for even the maxed out 350Z's. Twin turbo setup is at 12.7? The fastest time shown is for a nitrous shot, and it baaaaaarely breaks into the high 11.9's.

There are a thousands of LS1 and LT1 4th Gens driving around that are gonna give any 350Z owner a very bad day.

The VQ motor isnt anything special,it just isnt. It responds POORLY to mods, as opposed to any 4th gen V8 car, which respond like wildfire to something as simple as long tube headers and intake.

The Greddy TT kit is a 5k option for the VQ motor. It claims 450 HP. Great, until you look at the dyno graph. Power FINALLY comes on just before 5000 RPM. Gaaay.

In the past two weeks I have had 4 G35 coupes and 3 350Z's mess with me in the SS. Almost all of them were very hostile and pissed when they got dusted. One 350 driver reacted quite violently to my lisence plate when he read it (ssmoked). He jumped his car twice like he was going to rear end the SS at the light, he then gave me the bird and other arm waving gestures. When the light went green I left him behind with his anger. I slowed again to let him catch me and get violent, and then I changed my mind and hammered it again to leave him talking to himself, I didn't want to give him the satisfaction. As soon as they see or hear my car they begin to drive crazy, weaving and trying to catch me. Do VQ drivers hate muscle cars or something? Is there a rivalry generating between these cars? Two G35 drivers were actually cool, spoke to both of them at the lights and they were curious what I had to see how they stacked up. This is beginning to get fun, new mustangs want no part of me and I never run into F-bodies or Cobras. My work is in the middle of a maze of office buildings, and there are seemingly dozens of VQ's to destroy daily.you think thats bad own them with a V6 and see what they do !!!! one guy was cool about even tho i had to pop my hood to "prove" it was a V6..... he thought i badged a v8 "3800"... :cry: :cry: :cry:

Curious what the next generation 350Z will bring. Hopefully Nissan is smart and will spend a little $$$ on high-strength steel/aluminum and remove 200 pounds or so from the platform.

Combined with a direct injection V6 with some additional tweaks, 330HP and 3000 pounds could be fun.

-B

about those minivans...
I saw a little mexican lady in a nissan quest BEAT a young mexican kid in a 5.0 from a dig :eek: VQ motor too...

I get a lot of G35s around me also, I also think it has to do with them being marketed as a fast car, and they think they have to show the "old" fast cars how it's done. I "raced" one the other day, he was cutting in and out of traffic to get to me, then he's all toying and crap. We got stopped at a light right next to eachother and my car was making such a racket that the prick rolled up his window and quit with all the pussyfootin :D

While it doesn't take mods worth a Sh*t, I wouldn't go as far to say it isn't anything special. A n/a v6 making more hp than most turbo'd engines and even some v8's is pretty sweet IMO.

The VQ motor isnt anything special,it just isnt. It responds POORLY to mods, as opposed to any 4th gen V8 car, which respond like wildfire to something as simple as long tube headers and intake.

The Greddy TT kit is a 5k option for the VQ motor. It claims 450 HP. Great, until you look at the dyno graph. Power FINALLY comes on just before 5000 RPM. Gaaay.

Didn't look at the vid, but if the 285 hp model Z is .2 or .3 seconds faster than a stock Lt1 Camaro, how can you say that people driving 4th gens don't need to be worried about it? Isn't the Lt1 a 4th gen? Not to mention that the new model 350's come with 300 hp now.

That's funny you should bring that up. Didnt the new Ford Mustang advertise the same thing about their GT?:rolleyes: I havent had too much problems with them at the track in my LT1.


Mike

What i get alot is the people who do all the crazy stuff then race me then say i didnt see the z-28 badge on the side or back, its there and um im failry sure no v 6 makes a noise likemine when the cutout is open, which is basiclly all the time except for in the neighboor hood

Yeah, but you're not exactly stock either. Take a stock 97 to the track and you'll be running neck and neck with the VQ cars and probably a few lengths behind the new stang....I've seen those turning mid 13's in the 104 range. If anything, I think the new mustang GT is under-rated by a few ponies.

I just found it a little ironic that everyone is beating up on Nissan's cars, when in fact, they're just as fast, if not faster, than the 93-97 fbody. Not to mention you get great handling and build quality to boot. Sure they can't keep up with the modded folks on this board, but that's not really the point.

That's funny you should bring that up. Didnt the new Ford Mustang advertise the same thing about their GT?:rolleyes: I havent had too much problems with them at the track in my LT1.


Mike

<The Greddy TT kit is a 5k option for the VQ motor. It claims 450 HP. Great, until you look at the dyno graph. Power FINALLY comes on just before 5000 RPM. Gaaay.>

That's not really the car's fault though. If the turbo isn't making good boost til 5k rpms, it's because the turbo is too big for the application or the car needs different cams. If you think about it, a turbo is driven by exhaust. Strap a turbo to an engine that's already making 285 hp (whereas a lot of cars that come stock with a turbo would be making less than 200 hp without one), there should be a lot of exhaust gas available to get that turbo spinning quick.....so something's up with the greddy kit IMO.

I have only raced one 350Z. A guy I knew bought a track edition when they first came out. He just had to be the first one to have one, so he flew to Texas to buy one, and drive it back here. On the way he called, talking all this nonsense about how the car felt so quick, and how he wanted to race me when he got back because he thought he could win. At that point I had an intake, SLP headers and a slowmaster exhaust on my '95 Z28 automatic. Long story short, I put about 3-4 car lengths on him from 60 to about 120 (which surprised me because he was a manual), and the proceeded to bust him from a dig twice. The first time I got a good launch and had 2 cars on him before I even hit 60, the next time I spun, got traction, then spun again and still put a car on him by 80.

They are good handling and neat cars, but if I had one, I'd make sure there were some mods on it before I went challenging people.

yea but they're so strong and refined from the factory for a 3.5 liter v6, that again, they don't really improve much with bolt-on type mods.

Yeah, unfortunately like the S2000 and the M3, the engine is pretty much at capacity from the factory.....that's the great thing about v8's.

yea but they're so strong and refined from the factory for a 3.5 liter v6, that again, they don't really improve much with bolt-on type mods.

Regardless, you have to admit that that experience doesn't change the fact that these cars consistently test high 13's/low 14's like most stock LT1's.....and I'm sure the newer 300 hp cars are a few ticks faster than that.

I have only raced one 350Z. A guy I knew bought a track edition when they first came out. He just had to be the first one to have one, so he flew to Texas to buy one, and drive it back here. On the way he called, talking all this nonsense about how the car felt so quick, and how he wanted to race me when he got back because he thought he could win. At that point I had an intake, SLP headers and a slowmaster exhaust on my '95 Z28 automatic. Long story short, I put about 3-4 car lengths on him from 60 to about 120 (which surprised me because he was a manual), and the proceeded to bust him from a dig twice. The first time I got a good launch and had 2 cars on him before I even hit 60, the next time I spun, got traction, then spun again and still put a car on him by 80.

They are good handling and neat cars, but if I had one, I'd make sure there were some mods on it before I went challenging people.

Sure they can't keep up with the modded folks on this board, but that's not really the point.

It's not? That's exactly who's posting and what we're talking about.

Let's see. We're posting on camaroz28.com. The original poster was talking about 350Z's driving around looking for trouble. Just about everybody here has a modded car, with some modded more than others. Look at the original poster's Sig. He has an LT1 and an LS1. Both modded. Either would roast a new 350Z. From a quick glance at the Sigs, I think just about every poster in this thread is driving a car that would be good to go on a 350Z or G35.

I'm pretty sure that's what we're talking about. What are you talking about?

They are good handling and neat cars, but if I had one, I'd make sure there were some mods on it before I went challenging people.

Exactly the point, IMO. And even then, I'd be realistic about my chances and not pout or throw a tantrum when I got bounced.

Maybe so, but once you start modding those cars see taillights. Which is really whats important to me. Since if I buy a car, Im not going to leave it stock.


- Z28WannaB

Regardless, you have to admit that that experience doesn't change the fact that these cars consistently test high 13's/low 14's like most stock LT1's.....and I'm sure the newer 300 hp cars are a few ticks faster than that.

Did my cutting and pasting the post I was talking about not make it clear? Here it is again:

Posted by Bersaglieri:
<Nissan and Infinity must have sales programs that cite these models as being marketable as "Camaro/Firebird" fast.

Customer - "Hows the performance of this 350Z? By the way please hurry Panera Bread is closing soon"
Salesman - "Oh Jemine Christmas they are totally like Camaro Firebird fast, duh boi!">

Sorry, but I think that statement is pretty stupid when you're talking about a car capable of mid/high 13's. It sounds like something an elitist Vette owner would say. That's all I was ever talking about....you guys totally missed the point and started talking about mods, turbos, etc.

It's not? That's exactly who's posting and what we're talking about.

Let's see. We're posting on camaroz28.com. The original poster was talking about 350Z's driving around looking for trouble. Just about everybody here has a modded car, with some modded more than others. Look at the original poster's Sig. He has an LT1 and an LS1. Both modded. Either would roast a new 350Z. From a quick glance at the Sigs, I think just about every poster in this thread is driving a car that would be good to go on a 350Z or G35.

I'm pretty sure that's what we're talking about. What are you talking about?

I agree. That's the reason I chose the GTO.......potential.

Maybe so, but once you start modding those cars see taillights. Which is really whats important to me. Since if I buy a car, Im not going to leave it stock.


- Z28WannaB

Hey, most folks on this board like to make fun of rice, both new and old. If you don't, you just might be in the wrong company. It's like the liberal nut that spurts out some bizarre statement about how we all asked for Jihad because we're so greedy, etc.

Give it a few more posts and some jackass will be on here talking about how great his Lexus is, how he used to own a Camaro and was just so darn smart he couldn't take it anymore and making up some BS story about the economics of the food industry and how they somehow dictate which oil you should use.

Some guys need to learn that if what they're saying isn't going with the flow, nobody cares.
:o

This is freaky that I see this post.

I have a kill story that all of you will enjoy.
Just yesterday on my way home I see this car with blue projectors coming up fast behind me and pull up beside me on the left and then I hear another car come up on the right side of me. At first I was a little worried they were gonna do something, but then they both start revving at me so then I knew they wanted to race. Now, I'm thinking they were friends and were "doubleteaming" me or it was just a coinsidence they were both picking on me. So we get to a red light and they were both revving at me to see if I wanted to race. I saw that one car was a blacked out G35 and the other was a silver 350Z with nice wheels. So I figured they both had around the same amount of horsepower and I had already beaten a 350Z on the freeway so I said f*** it and revved back at both.
So the light turns green and I get a great launch and didn't look back until about 75mph and they were about 3 to 4 car lengths behind me. So I shut down at 75 and brought it back down to 45 and the 350Z just flew by me and the G35 was following right on it's ass. Then both made a right at the next light.
It was a good day:D

and the 350Z just flew by me and the G35 was following right on it's ass. Then both made a right at the next light.



How to spot a true ricer:

1. Ask for the race by reving your fart-pipe reeeeeeal loud

2. Lose the race, bigtime

3. Do a fly-by, after being 5 cars back

4. Go tell your friends how you "beat" that V8


BTW, congrats. Feels good, don't it?

Be realistic here. I'm no fan of the vq cars, but do you really believe that the 300 hp 3250 lbs. 350 can't keep up with or beat an LT1 fbody? The new anniversary model 350 can turn mid 13's. On Ls1gto.com we have a regular poster with a bone stock 285 hp model that routinely runs 13.6's @103. Not exactly a huge gap between it and any stock fbody.

Jason

So an LS1 that can run a Half Second Quicker, and trap 5 mph more wouldn't be considered a "huge" gap. I guess I need to get back to the track and see what is relative now. Last time I was at the track, losing by a half second was considered an ass whipping... :eek:

Don't get me wrong, we considered the G35 before buying the GTO. It wasn't LS1 F-Body fast, but definitely made up for a lack of power in every other area.

No, I definitely would not consider 13.1 vs. 13.6 to be a huge ass whooping....not even close. If you do, then you do need to get to the track more. I've made back to back runs with the same car that were farther apart than that. A half second is just a couple car lengths.

Btw, I test drove a G35 and a 350 before buying my Goat too. There wasn't any comparison. The LS1 is so torquey compared to the VQ. I wish the GTO could handle like the 350 though! Although the 350 rode very rough compared to our cars.

So an LS1 that can run a Half Second Quicker, and trap 5 mph more wouldn't be considered a "huge" gap. I guess I need to get back to the track and see what is relative now. Last time I was at the track, losing by a half second was considered an ass whipping... :eek:

Don't get me wrong, we considered the G35 before buying the GTO. It wasn't LS1 F-Body fast, but definitely made up for a lack of power in every other area.

Did my cutting and pasting the post I was talking about not make it clear? Here it is again:

Posted by Bersaglieri:
<Nissan and Infinity must have sales programs that cite these models as being marketable as "Camaro/Firebird" fast.

Customer - "Hows the performance of this 350Z? By the way please hurry Panera Bread is closing soon"
Salesman - "Oh Jemine Christmas they are totally like Camaro Firebird fast, duh boi!">

Sorry, but I think that statement is pretty stupid when you're talking about a car capable of mid/high 13's. It sounds like something an elitist Vette owner would say. That's all I was ever talking about....you guys totally missed the point and started talking about mods, turbos, etc.

I'm actually elitist American Muscle owner :D

I have never heard of one running mid 13's. Most I see run low 14's. But lets say a few execptions make mid 13's. LS1 SS cars have been known to see high 12's in totally stock form. Most LS1's are trapping 103-107+mph stock. Many F-bodys are modded, only widening the gap and making the asswhooping worse. With much more "fast" potential, F-body's, amoung other V8 cars, do not compare with the 350Z/G35's. With simple bolt'ons on either LT1's or LS1's, VQ's are toast. Internal mods and power adders, forget about it. 350Z/G35 fall flat on their face mod for mod. Therefore I feel you cant market them as being Camaro/Firebird fast, cause when you do, the cocky asswipe owners who run into people like me and others on this board, stir up **** and get their asses handed to them, there-after throwing snotty, rich lil' hissy fits like the girly-men that they really are. I see it all the time and what seems to be eveywhere. I can say at least once I week I see a metrosexual male in a 350Z/G35 driving like they own the fastest car known to man. I could say the same thing about SN95 Stangs vs a LT1. Stock for stock the LT1 wins, mod for mod the LT1 wins. So should the SN95 have been marketed as Camaro/Firebird fast...not really, and neither should the 350Z/G35.

Therefore, my comment, although somewhat exaggerated for effect, isnt as far off or "stupid" as some may think.

-Dustin-

I agree, well put!:D




Mike

LOL. Whatever. If 2 cars is a huge ass whooping/stomping where you come from, stay there....

But remember, like I said in every damn post, we're talking about LS1's and LT1's. Sure the LS1 is quicker, but the LT1 isn't.....so every time you bash a 350z, you're also bashing the LT1. I've had 5 lt1 corvettes. Best time stock was 13.8@101. I certainly wouldn't say that the 350, which can also run that, even in the 285 hp model, isn't in the same catagory of cars. That's putting brand loyalty above the truth.

I don't drive a G35/350z cause I don't like them. They're everywhere, offer no exclusivity, and have no mod potential. That doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact that it's respectable competition to the fbody stock to stock. If you all wanna bash ricers, that's fine. There's plenty of cars out there that would get a huge ass whooping from a stock camaro, included the S2000, WRX, rx8, etc. But do I believe the 300 hp, 3200 lbs. 350z doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the camaro? Hell no! If you guys do, good for ya, ignorance is bliss.

[QUOTE=yellavette]No, I definitely would not consider 13.1 vs. 13.6 to be a huge ass whooping....not even close. If you do, then you do need to get to the track more. I've made back to back runs with the same car that were farther apart than that. A half second is just a couple car lengths.

A couple of cars lengths? That isn't an a$$ whooping? Okay! Ya I have done the same, as far as different times on a back to back, it's called missing a gear, or my boot was wet and I slipped, but regardless, that is a stomping where I come from. Why don't you drive a G35 by the way???

All true. But here are a few points for ya:

1. Have you ever personally seen a stock camaro run 12's? Probably not. But you believe it can be done because you read it online. Yet, because you haven't seen a 350z run 13.6, you don't believe it. That's hypocritical. I personally have not seen a 350 run 13.6 or a camaro run 12.9, so I either have to believe both or dismiss both, but not pick and choose based on brand loyalty.

2. Do you really not believe that a 3250 lbs. car with 300 hp is not capable of mid 13's?

3. Everything else you said about mods, potential, etc. is TRUE, and I agree, but it does not pertain to my point in any way. You joked about nissan thinking their cars are camaro/firebird fast...as if that was rediculous. Then you start talking about modded cars as if to back up your point. What is rediculous is thinking that a lightweight 300 hp vehicle is NOT competition for the fbody. Why, just cause it's Japanese? I don't see anyone on this site laughing at the 300 hp, 3500 lbs. Mustang GT....even though it's performance is DEAD ON with the new 350Z. So what gives?

To sum it up and hopefully end the discussion, here's my point. The 350z is a commendable car, even if the people who drive them are idiots. It IS capable of 13's....and does deserve to be compared to the Fbody and Mustang GT...STOCK TO STOCK. Sure it's not as fast as the LS1 with equal drivers, but it is as fast or faster than the LT1, so laughing at them because they are not in your league, when YOU drive a 13 second LT1 is nothing but hypocritical brand loyalty. Don't take that as an insult....just making a point.


I'm actually elitist American Muscle owner :D

I have never heard of one running mid 13's. Most I see run low 14's. But lets say a few execptions make mid 13's. LS1 SS cars have been known to see high 12's in totally stock form. Most LS1's are trapping 103-107+mph stock. Many F-bodys are modded, only widening the gap and making the asswhooping worse. With much more "fast" potential, F-body's, amoung other V8 cars, do not compare with the 350Z/G35's. With simple bolt'ons on either LT1's or LS1's, VQ's are toast. Internal mods and power adders, forget about it. 350Z/G35 fall flat on their face mod for mod. Therefore I feel you cant market them as being Camaro/Firebird fast, cause when you do, the cocky asswipe owners who run into people like me and others on this board, stir up **** and get their asses handed to them, there-after throwing snotty, rich lil' hissy fits like the girly-men that they really are. I see it all the time and what seems to be eveywhere. I can say at least once I week I see a metrosexual male in a 350Z/G35 driving like they own the fastest car known to man. I could say the same thing about SN95 Stangs vs a LT1. Stock for stock the LT1 wins, mod for mod the LT1 wins. So should the SN95 have been marketed as Camaro/Firebird fast...not really, and neither should the 350Z/G35.

Therefore, my comment, although somewhat exaggerated for effect, isnt as far off or "stupid" as some may think.

-Dustin-

Yellavette,
First, I agree with some of your points. To say a 350Z that can run mid- 13s , yet the car is slow, is simply saying the same about a stock LT1 or Mustang GT. Where I disagree is that a 350Z (or G35) is comparable to an any F-body, which you stated. Running mid 13s on your best day day won't cut it against the average LS1 F-Body. The LS1 powered F-Body isn't a comparable race against a 350Z, IMHO. Compared to an LS1, the 350Z lacks roughly 50 horsepower, and a whooping 100 (+) ft-lbs of torque. These are just peak numbers, I'd like to see what the 350Z's dyno graph looks like compared to an LS1's, and also the final gearing on the 350Z. :think:

Hi. I never said comparable. My exact statement was this "Not exactly a huge gap between it and any stock fbody." I said many times the LS1 is faster (I know this first hand as I've raced my brother's 350 in my goat), but if the average LS1 car runs 13.4 and the average for the 300 hp version of the Z is 13.8, that's not really a huge gap IMO. At least not big enough to warrant what was said about it. You have to admit that if a below average LS1 ran up on an above average 350, it could be a close race. That's all I'm saying.

Look at the numbers:

LS1 Camaro: 3500 lbs., 350 hp
350Z: 3250 lbs. 300 hp.

Assuming 10 lbs = 1 hp, the LS1 has about a 25 hp advantage once weight is factored. Combine that with it's torque advantage, and that should equal about .5 seconds. I guess it depends what you define "a huge gap" as.....I consider someone staying within a couple car lengths of me to be worthy competition.

Btw, how do you like your GTO?

Yellavette,
First, I agree with some of your points. To say a 350Z that can run mid- 13s , yet the car is slow, is simply saying the same about a stock LT1 or Mustang GT. Where I disagree is that a 350Z (or G35) is comparable to an any F-body, which you stated. Running mid 13s on your best day day won't cut it against the average LS1 F-Body. The LS1 powered F-Body isn't a comparable race against a 350Z, IMHO. Compared to an LS1, the 350Z lacks roughly 50 horsepower, and a whooping 100 (+) ft-lbs of torque. These are just peak numbers, I'd like to see what the 350Z's dyno graph looks like compared to an LS1's, and also the final gearing on the 350Z. :think:

Look at the numbers:

LS1 Camaro: 3500 lbs., 350 hp
350Z: 3250 lbs. 300 hp.


You are simply ignoring the fact that torque is a MAJOR factor in racing, and the LS1 has over 100 ft-lbs more of it. Just comparing peak horse power isn't a great way to look at this comparo.

Also, notice how you're taking very good times that someone has ran in a 350Z, and comparing them to an average LS1. You're saying that there isn't much of a gap? Lets compare the best to the best, or the average to the average. The best time you are using for your argument is still about a second off the fastest LS1 times I have seen in person. Yes, LS1 F-Bodies can run high 12s stock, I have personally seen a stock LS1 F-Body do this. So, if the average LS1 F-Body runs 13.4s (your number), what does the average 350Z run?

As for weight. The Camaro was closer to 3,400 lbs than 3,500 lbs from what I remember. Regardless of my memory: Nissan doesn't agree with you in the belief that the 350Z weighs 3,250 lbs.

From Nissan's website:
http://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/ModelSpecifications/0,,126240|126256|,00.html
Click on curb weight
The 350Z Coupe curb weights are listed as ranging from 3,339 to 3,404 lbs.

http://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/ModelSpecifications/0,,126240|126258|,00.html
Click on curb weight
They list the Roadster weights ranging from 3,578 to 3,602 lbs.

I guess it depends what you define "a huge gap" as.....I consider someone staying within a couple car lengths of me to be worthy competition.

Revisit the last comment on average vs. average, and best vs. best. I think when you copare best vs. average, the numbers don't look that bad, but when you compare best vs. best or average vs. average... It isn't "a couple car lengths" that we're talking about.

Btw, how do you like your GTO?
I love it ;)

350Z's...G35's....LS1's....LT1's.....in these parts thats fancy talk for L98 Iroc food.....you guys are great:D .............personally I could give a crap less if those cars are faster or not....if I get beat to hard I'll just build a better V-8:D


350Z(the american model)

Ok, regardless of weight, torque, or hp, let's just agree on the numbers. I'd say the average for a track model, 285 hp version, 6 spd 350z is 14.1. Keep in mind though, that the new versions come with 300 hp, so knock .2 off that. But we'll use 14.1 here. Best I've heard of stock for the 285 hp version is 13.6 from a trusted poster at ls1gto.com.

I'd say the average for a LS1 6spd camaro is what, 13.3 or 4, right? Best I've ever heard of is 12.9 stock.

So best vs. best we're talking 7-8 tenths.

Average vs. average: 7-8 tenths

That's about 3-4 cars at the strip.

But what if?:

Average LS1 vs. Best 350Z: 2 tenths (Like I said, not a huge gap IMO.)

Or what if that 13.6 Z ran into a slow poke LS1 that runs slower than 13.4? There is a small chance that z could tie or even beat it. It's much more likely the Z will lose, and maybe by a second or more, but because there's the slightest chance of a different outcome, I don't think we should be laughing at or dismissing the Z.

You are simply ignoring the fact that torque is a MAJOR factor in racing, and the LS1 has over 100 ft-lbs more of it. Just comparing peak horse power isn't a great way to look at this comparo.

Also, notice how you're taking very good times that someone has ran in a 350Z, and comparing them to an average LS1. You're saying that there isn't much of a gap? Lets compare the best to the best, or the average to the average. The best time you are using for your argument is still about a second off the fastest LS1 times I have seen in person. Yes, LS1 F-Bodies can run high 12s stock, I have personally seen a stock LS1 F-Body do this. So, if the average LS1 F-Body runs 13.4s (your number), what does the average 350Z run?

As for weight. The Camaro was closer to 3,400 lbs than 3,500 lbs from what I remember. Regardless of my memory: Nissan doesn't agree with you in the belief that the 350Z weighs 3,250 lbs.

From Nissan's website:
http://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/ModelSpecifications/0,,126240|126256|,00.html
Click on curb weight
The 350Z Coupe curb weights are listed as ranging from 3,339 to 3,404 lbs.

http://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/ModelSpecifications/0,,126240|126258|,00.html
Click on curb weight
They list the Roadster weights ranging from 3,578 to 3,602 lbs.



Revisit the last comment on average vs. average, and best vs. best. I think when you copare best vs. average, the numbers don't look that bad, but when you compare best vs. best or average vs. average... It isn't "a couple car lengths" that we're talking about.


I love it ;)

I don't think we should be laughing at or dismissing the Z.

You can take them seriously if you want but I'll continue to laugh and poke fun at them as they consistantly lose to my 12 year old domestic. Plus the snotty owners only make it more fun as seen in this thread.

I beat a couple with far less done to the car than I do now and I for sure wasnt in LS1 territory. Although the the races were from a roll.

I dont hate the car by any means, definately a nice vehicle that is decently quick from the factory. But I cant stand the owners and wouldnt even classify them in the F-body category. Perhaps categorized with S2000's and BMW Z3-Z4 M series and other cars maxxed from the factory with good suspensions, but not in a catergory with cars made just for speed, running 12's bolt on, 11's with some Head and Cam work, with the proven potential for much more.

-Dustin-

I'm with him^ when I was near stock (blowmaster, MSD coil, and short shifter) I would eat 350z's alive. There are many of them in my area, nice cars, but lots of them are uppitty @$$ kids whose daddy bought them a $35K car and don't know how to drive it.

agreed with /\... i demolished my buddies g35 with 19" wheels... it was a joke (he was 17 btw) and i won 50 bucks... i love stupid rich people

I race one with a good driver weekly (my brother has one) and know what they can and can't do. I just find it ironic that someone who's car was as slow (when it was stock) as the 350Z is blowing them off....

Can I ask what you run? I didn't see it anywhere.

You can take them seriously if you want but I'll continue to laugh and poke fun at them as they consistantly lose to my 12 year old domestic. Plus the snotty owners only make it more fun as seen in this thread.

I beat a couple with far less done to the car than I do now and I for sure wasnt in LS1 territory. Although the the races were from a roll.

I dont hate the car by any means, definately a nice vehicle that is decently quick from the factory. But I cant stand the owners and wouldnt even classify them in the F-body category. Perhaps categorized with S2000's and BMW Z3-Z4 M series and other cars maxxed from the factory with good suspensions, but not in a catergory with cars made just for speed, running 12's bolt on, 11's with some Head and Cam work, with the proven potential for much more.

-Dustin-

Yellavette, seems to me one thing youre forgeting about the LS1 is the gearing (especially 3rd). I have raced only one G35 and put 2 cars on him by 90. I have raced only one LSgun and was ahead at 45mph but he put 4 cars on me by 105.
Both were from a dig too. If a Lt1 has 320 crank hp against a stock LS1 with the same hp that LS1 will run circles around the LT1. I just like the LT1 cuz it was a good price and mods are relatively cheaper that LS1's. The G35/350Z cars are really nice looking and probably handle really well but I dont want to spend 30K on a car with that little potential. Id buy a 5th gen camaro if I was going to buy any car brand new.

Honestly my track times are absolutely horrible. I've only run in the 1/8th and had a 9.65, HOWEVER I cannot drag well right now and my tires are bald. With the tiny amount of things that I had done, yes I really was taking them by at least 4 cars. You could say that all of the drivers I raced were bad, but that's about 12 drivers. 75% of them were from a light so I'd say that some of them are over rated. Again this is my experience with my car and with those same mods I edged out a 98 Saleen by a nose- Take it all with a grain of salt;)

Currently I have Edelbrock shorties, blowmaster muffler, 160 degree thermo, B&M Ripper, Royal Purple, and an MSD coil.

There are a few important things you are forgetting about my friend. First of all. HP doesn't all mean your fast. You keep comparing the 350z and G35 to the horsepower numbers to the LS1 and LT1. Also, your comparing 13.6, which is the best number I've ever heard of a 350Z running to an average 13.4 for an LS1. A stock/auto LS1 can run in the upper 12's, I've seen them. Also, I've seen stock LT1's run 13.6. Now, lets look at where most of the 350Z's and G35's are running, 14's. I don't seen any LS1's running 14's, and if they are, they have a problem, or the driver can't drive. LT1's I see usually run upper 13's/low 14's, depending on driver (stock). Plus, a few boltons to either the LS1/LT1, were talking even lower numbers like most LS1's running in the 12's, and most LT1's running low 13's upper 12's. HP does not always make you fast. Drivetrain, suspension, gearing, and so forth. You ever hear of a thing call wheel hop. Wheel, I bet you the guys on this forum with GTO's can tell you about it. Even no they way alittle more than fbody's, they don't point down very impresive number for their hosepower. Heck, stock GTO's 03/04 were running low 14's, and the 05's were running mid upper 13's, even low 14's stock. Thats with 400hp. The majority of 350z's and G35's don't stand a chane around Fbody's. I guess after reading your horsepower comparisons I've realized why ricers put more and more stickers on there cars. Look at the numbers:

LS1 Camaro: 3500 lbs., 350 hp
350Z: 3250 lbs. 300 hp.

Assuming 10 lbs = 1 hp, the LS1 has about a 25 hp advantage once weight is factored. Combine that with it's torque advantage, and that should equal about .5 seconds. I guess it depends what you define "a huge gap" as.....I consider someone staying within a couple car lengths of me to be worthy competition.

Btw, how do you like your GTO?

04 Gto's average 14's and 05's mi/ high 13's?? Yet stock a4 ls1 camaros are upper 12's? Ok. I don't even know where to go with that. Try mid 13's (from 13.3 to 13.8) for the 04 GTO and low 13's/high 12's for the 05. Don't know where you got your numbers from.

As far as the 350 issue. I give up, I concede. Every LS1 runs 12.8 to 13.4 and every LT1 runs 13.8. There are NO deviations from that and I'm sorry I said there were. Also, I fully realize that every 350z runs 14.3 and there are no deviations from that. Anyone that says otherwise is either lying or is an undercover agent for Nissan trying to spread lies in order to bring down the reign of the Camaro. Never could there possibly be a time when a slowish camaro meets a fastish 350z and a decent race ensues. Please accept my apologies for implying that such a thing could happen.

Oh, and btw, Jakerobb posted in another thread that he witnessed a C5 m6 run a 13.8. As was already proven, no LS1 can run slower than 13.4 (newton's 4th law if I'm not mistaken). I now believe him to be a deeply imbedded Nissan agent and will be watching him closely.:)

There are a few important things you are forgetting about my friend. First of all. HP doesn't all mean your fast. You keep comparing the 350z and G35 to the horsepower numbers to the LS1 and LT1. Also, your comparing 13.6, which is the best number I've ever heard of a 350Z running to an average 13.4 for an LS1. A stock/auto LS1 can run in the upper 12's, I've seen them. Also, I've seen stock LT1's run 13.6. Now, lets look at where most of the 350Z's and G35's are running, 14's. I don't seen any LS1's running 14's, and if they are, they have a problem, or the driver can't drive. LT1's I see usually run upper 13's/low 14's, depending on driver (stock). Plus, a few boltons to either the LS1/LT1, were talking even lower numbers like most LS1's running in the 12's, and most LT1's running low 13's upper 12's. HP does not always make you fast. Drivetrain, suspension, gearing, and so forth. You ever hear of a thing call wheel hop. Wheel, I bet you the guys on this forum with GTO's can tell you about it. Even no they way alittle more than fbody's, they don't point down very impresive number for their hosepower. Heck, stock GTO's 03/04 were running low 14's, and the 05's were running mid upper 13's, even low 14's stock. Thats with 400hp. The majority of 350z's and G35's don't stand a chane around Fbody's. I guess after reading your horsepower comparisons I've realized why ricers put more and more stickers on there cars. Look at the numbers:

LS1 Camaro: 3500 lbs., 350 hp
350Z: 3250 lbs. 300 hp.

Assuming 10 lbs = 1 hp, the LS1 has about a 25 hp advantage once weight is factored. Combine that with it's torque advantage, and that should equal about .5 seconds. I guess it depends what you define "a huge gap" as.....I consider someone staying within a couple car lengths of me to be worthy competition.

Btw, how do you like your GTO?

You ever hear of a thing call wheel hop. Wheel, I bet you the guys on this forum with GTO's can tell you about it. Even no they way alittle more than fbody's, they don't point down very impresive number for their hosepower. Heck, stock GTO's 03/04 were running low 14's, and the 05's were running mid upper 13's, even low 14's stock. Thats with 400hp. The majority of 350z's and G35's don't stand a chane around Fbody's. I guess after reading your horsepower comparisons I've realized why ricers put more and more stickers on there cars. Look at the numbers:


Dude, you did a great job of showing your ignorance! I suggest doing some research on 04~06 GTOs before posting up. Start with the fact that there wasn't an 03 GTO, and go from there...

Yaaaayy... we got him to concede :D

What most of us are saying is that if we did get beat by a 350Z or a G35 no one would know:think:

I've raced my bro probably 15 times and haven't had to lie yet...accept for the little shot of juice I'd give him if he got too close:D

Yaaaayy... we got him to concede :D

What most of us are saying is that if we did get beat by a 350Z or a G35 no one would know:think:

Thank you! That's all I've been saying! I never said the 350 could beat an LS1. I race one frequently and know it can't. I just said there "wasn't that huge of a gap"......6 pages later and we agree! :bow:

RRRRRRRR!!!!!! Yella is red!!!! Come on man, relax. All I think most people on this site are saying is that you can't compare best of Z to average LS1, that's all. Ya there nice cars yada yada, but they have no chance for a decent driven LS1, two cars is two cars, regardless of your opinion that is still a loss, cool, can we agree on that? Hence the decent driven, and the best driven G or Z, then they are within two cars, that's all.

To end discuss GM makes better engines than all of it competitors. Everyone including ford and ricers is behind the 93-02 f-body engines and still getting whip on by the LT1-LS1. Hell their is a new camaro come out to smoke all of it's foes once again.

Saying GM makes “better” engines than their Japanese and Domestic counterparts is like saying that Wolverine makes better shoes than Nike….. Japanese motors are good at things like fuel efficiency and power generation from limited displacement.

GM makes more powerful motors than their counterparts. More cubic inches= more power but there are always tradeoffs no?

Not to knock my lt1, I love it but I can't complain about the quality of motor Japan is putting out.

Saying GM makes “better” engines than their Japanese and Domestic counterparts is like saying that Wolverine makes better shoes than Nike….. Japanese motors are good at things like fuel efficiency and power generation from limited displacement.

GM makes more powerful motors than their counterparts. More cubic inches= more power but there are always tradeoffs no?

Not to knock my lt1, I love it but I can't complain about the quality of motor Japan is putting out.

Don't forget GM has displacement motor as well (Grand-prix,Impala,monte carlo and others) yeah american car are behind handling and fuel efficiency cars because we market for fast car of course, but ricer engines is build like legos crappy slow fuel efficiency engines in tell you throw a supercharger or tubrocharger into it that used up your gas as well. Unlike the GM engines that is fast from factory built with no add ons. Nissan ricers crappy v6 z Fuel economy EPA highway (mpg): 26 and EPA city (mpg): 20 Yeah I going to save alot of gas on this car.

Don't forget GM has displacement motor as well (Grand-prix,Impala,monte carlo and others) yeah american car are behind handling and fuel efficiency cars because we market for fast car of course, but ricer engines is build like legos crappy slow fuel efficiency engines in tell you throw a supercharger or tubrocharger into it that used up your gas as well. Unlike the GM engines that is fast from factory built with no add ons. Nissan ricers crappy v6 z Fuel economy EPA highway (mpg): 26 and EPA city (mpg): 20 Yeah I going to save alot of gas on this car.

You need to learn English, I had trouble decoding that excuse for a paragraph. I would love you to PROVE that import engines are any less reliable than their domestic competition.

That's kind of a catch 22. On one hand, nothing gets you down the 1320 better than one of gm's torque monster v8's...except maybe a v10 (ie viper). However, the problem with the GM engines is that they aren't that strong from the factory. To make real power, you've got to tear them down and put in forged pistons, rods, etc. To 90% of the people that doesn't matter, but if you wanna take the car over 500 rwhp, you're looking at some pretty expensive work. Whereas engines like the 03-4 Cobra and the Supra TT can make ungodly amounts of hp straight from the factory and hold together for the long haul. Each has their pro's and con's.....depends what you're looking for I guess.

To end discuss GM makes better engines than all of it competitors. Everyone including ford and ricers is behind the 93-02 f-body engines and still getting whip on by the LT1-LS1. Hell their is a new camaro come out to smoke all of it's foes once again.

You need to learn English, I had trouble decoding that excuse for a paragraph. I would love you to PROVE that import engines are any less reliable than their domestic competition.

If this was a english class than yes I would have to consisted clarity,grammar,punctuation,and mechanics, but it's not an english class Kris just like wrongful spelling of your name. How about you go refresh your knowledge on capitalization. Like when and where to add capital letters in a sentence.You also need to rephrase your whole sentence structure which to me sound like a third grader wrote it. You have comma splices occurs in your two independent clauses e.g. (You need to learn English, I had trouble decoding that excuse for a paragraph.) you need to put a period at the end of your first independent clauses which is capitalize for no reason and the beginning of your second, or maybe add a semicolon in between them- e.g. (You need to learn english;I had trouble decoding that excuse for a paragraph.) You need to stop adding run-on's in your sentences. Also you need to work on your grammar e.g(I would love you to PROVE) you sound retarded:maybe add for in between love and you. Before you start being a english teacher you need correct yourself how the english language is spoken and written.

Dude, you did a great job of showing your ignorance! I suggest doing some research on 04~06 GTOs before posting up. Start with the fact that there wasn't an 03 GTO, and go from there...

That is a type o, I didn't look over or use spell check on my write up. 04 GTO's have 350hp, 05's have 400 different exhaust/hood. I know about the GTO's, and there numbers. Most GTO's are running mid 13's, low 14's, dispite what the other guy said. Look at GM high Techs write up on it. The stock suspension on the GTO's suck. They have a huge problem with wheel hop, which ruins there 1/4 times. I never said all LS1's are running 13.4 either. I said thats probably a good average 1/4 time at the track. What you won't see is an LS1 running 14's. This is all besides the point, why on earth are you trying to brag up the 350Z and G35 on this forum. I don't think anybody on here wants to hear about them, unless they are getting used in a kill story by an Fbody. You should go into the advertising department for the 350Z and G35, I think you could really get someone to bite on those cars.

If this was an English class then yes I would have to consisted clarity (You "would have to consisted clarity?"), (space after punctuation) grammar, (space after punctuation) punctuation, (space after punctuation) and mechanics, but it's not an English class Kris (Period?) just like wrongful spelling of your name (The spelling, which I didn’t chose, is “incorrect?”). How about you go refresh your knowledge on capitalization (Looks like we both might need this.). Like when and where to add capital letters in a sentence. (space after punctuation) You also need to rephrase your whole sentence structure, which to me sounds like a third grader wrote it. You have comma splices that occurs in your two independent clauses e.g. (You need to learn English, I had trouble decoding that excuse for a paragraph.) you need to put a period at the end of your first independent clauses which is capitalized for no reason (You should capitalize the word "English.") and the beginning of your second, or maybe add a semicolon in between them- e.g. (You need to learn English;I had trouble decoding that excuse for a paragraph.) You need to stop adding run-on's in your sentences. Also you need to work on your grammar e.g. (I would love you to PROVE) you sound retarded: (space after punctuation) maybe add for in between love and you (In this case it would be best to set off "love" and "you" with quotes.). Before you start being an English teacher you need correct yourself on how the English language is spoken and written.

Here are most of the errors you would have found by using Microsoft Word. Have a great night! Let me know when You are ready to prove imports are less reliable. :thumb:

That other guy, me, has posted on LS1GTO.com for over a year and knows quite well what the GTO does and doesn't do. Being an ACTUAL GTO owner, I think I might just know a little bit more about them than you. Here's the skinny: Best stock time on the 04 GTO is 13.1. Head over there and see for yourself. Beyond that, there are dozens of people who average 13.4 or 5.

The stock suspension does not suck. It actually allows for a very nice ride while still handling well (once you get rid of the all-season tires). Wheel hop is not a huge problem. It does exist, but can be gotten around without much difficulty. I do 0-60 runs on my gtech all the time and rarely am hampered by wheel hop. You just have to learn how to drive it. Sure if you rev to 3k, drop the clutch and floor it through first you'll have a problem, but as with anything, experience is a great teacher. My suggestion would be to actually drive the car, visit the strip, talk to some owners, etc before saying things like you do.

LS1's have never run 14's??? Yet, the GTO is a 14 second car? Which is it? I've seen PLENTY of LS1's run 14's at Atlanta dragway. Firebirds, camaros, AND Corvettes (haven't seen a GTO there yet). Is that the norm, absolutely not, but it happens all the time. Hell, I've seen Viper's run 14's.

No one is advertising/nuthugging the 350z, but the elitist attitute some have even though their cars are only a half second or less faster pisses me off. I'd be saying the same thing in defense of any other car in that low 14/high 13 second catagory. Just a matter of principle for me. The funny/ironic thing is that most of the guys responding to me are LT1 owners, whose cars are truly comparable to the 350z. Are you guys scared?;)

That is a type o, I didn't look over or use spell check on my write up. 04 GTO's have 350hp, 05's have 400 different exhaust/hood. I know about the GTO's, and there numbers. Most GTO's are running mid 13's, low 14's, dispite what the other guy said. Look at GM high Techs write up on it. The stock suspension on the GTO's suck. They have a huge problem with wheel hop, which ruins there 1/4 times. I never said all LS1's are running 13.4 either. I said thats probably a good average 1/4 time at the track. What you won't see is an LS1 running 14's. This is all besides the point, why on earth are you trying to brag up the 350Z and G35 on this forum. I don't think anybody on here wants to hear about them, unless they are getting used in a kill story by an Fbody. You should go into the advertising department for the 350Z and G35, I think you could really get someone to bite on those cars.

That other guy, me, has posted on LS1GTO.com for over a year and knows quite well what the GTO does and doesn't do. Being an ACTUAL GTO owner, I think I might just know a little bit more about them than you. Here's the skinny: Best stock time on the 04 GTO is 13.1. Head over there and see for yourself. Beyond that, there are dozens of people who average 13.4 or 5.

The stock suspension does not suck. It actually allows for a very nice ride while still handling well (once you get rid of the all-season tires). Wheel hop is not a huge problem. It does exist, but can be gotten around without much difficulty. I do 0-60 runs on my gtech all the time and rarely am hampered by wheel hop. You just have to learn how to drive it. Sure if you rev to 3k, drop the clutch and floor it through first you'll have a problem, but as with anything, experience is a great teacher. My suggestion would be to actually drive the car, visit the strip, talk to some owners, etc before saying things like you do.

LS1's have never run 14's??? Yet, the GTO is a 14 second car? Which is it? I've seen PLENTY of LS1's run 14's at Atlanta dragway. Firebirds, camaros, AND Corvettes (haven't seen a GTO there yet). Is that the norm, absolutely not, but it happens all the time. Hell, I've seen Viper's run 14's.

No one is advertising/nuthugging the 350z, but the elitist attitute some have even though their cars are only a half second or less faster pisses me off. I'd be saying the same thing in defense of any other car in that low 14/high 13 second catagory. Just a matter of principle for me. The funny/ironic thing is that most of the guys responding to me are LT1 owners, whose cars are truly comparable to the 350z. Are you guys scared?;)

The difference between a 13.1 and a 13.6 isnt a big difference on paper. but at the track that 13.1 car is atleast 2-3 cars behind; which on the street is a kill, not a slaughter but not a close one. Ive seen a Evo run an 11.4 and a Cobra run a 11.8 and that evo had 5-6 cars on the stang. the quicker the 1/4 mile the bigger gap between the cars. just my .02

Here are most of the errors you would have found by using Microsoft Word. Have a great night! Let me know when You are ready to prove imports are less reliable. :thumb:

Wow! that hook on phonics ready works for you. Way to go on microsoft word too. I see you still haven't improve on your sentence structure when to add capitial letters. Here is prove why imports are call ricers http://theruse.net/wp-gal/lostfiles/middle_finger.jpg

Wow! That Hooked on Phonics ready (really) works for you. Way to go on Microsoft Word too. I see you still haven't improved on (omit "on" ) your sentence structure (on) when to add capitial letters. Here is (a link that)proves why imports are called ricers: http://theruse.net/wp-gal/lostfiles/middle_finger.jpg

See, here is the issue with people like you. You really think you can act smart? See above for corrections. Try again later! :thumb:

If I really care about wasting my time go to microsoft word or being an English instructor over something stupid; than maybe I be writing novels or textbooks. I through owned you and scooping to your childish levels grow up and act your age.:thumb:

Scared? Naaaa... In torque I trust

The funny/ironic thing is that most of the guys responding to me are LT1 owners, whose cars are truly comparable to the 350z. Are you guys scared?;)


I'm an LT1 owner. Hey, let me check here for a second.........

Nope, not scared. Not even a little. Heck, I'll even let 'em bolt a blower on or crank some juice. If they want to blow up their little V6 tryin' to catch me, not my problem. I spent a few grand on my engine and now it goes like stink.

It's not like I have disdain for all V6s. Supra, now there's a nice ride. Scary when they're done right. Same for the 911 Turbo. Even an M3 is no slouch. There are some nice V6s, but it costs a lot more to make them fast than it does a SBC. A lot more. I have no respect for them as go-fast cars. But they are kinda cute lookin'.

But in the end, the 350Z is a very nice lookin' secretary's car with an aleady maxed out V6 that's not really made to be mod-able into a true go-fast car. More show than go.

True, no potential with them.....but a secretary's car? Come on. It's not going to set any land speed records for sure, but go drive one before you make that statement...you might be surprised. Let me ask you this; if the LT1 was as difficult to mod as the 350, would you say the same of it? Or how about a stock LT1 Vette? I've owned 5 of those, and the 350z can run neck and neck with 'em (the a4's at least). Are they secretary's cars?

I'm an LT1 owner. Hey, let me check here for a second.........

Nope, not scared. Not even a little. Heck, I'll even let 'em bolt a blower on or crank some juice. If they want to blow up their little V6 tryin' to catch me, not my problem. I spent a few grand on my engine and now it goes like stink.

It's not like I have disdain for all V6s. Supra, now there's a nice ride. Scary when they're done right. Same for the 911 Turbo. Even an M3 is no slouch. There are some nice V6s, but it costs a lot more to make them fast than it does a SBC. A lot more. I have no respect for them as go-fast cars. But they are kinda cute lookin'.

But in the end, the 350Z is a very nice lookin' secretary's car with an aleady maxed out V6 that's not really made to be mod-able into a true go-fast car. More show than go.

If I really cared about wasting my time (to) go to Microsoft Word or being an English instructor over something stupid; than (You should have used "then.") maybe I (You should have used I'd, or I would.) be writing novels or textbooks. I through owned you (You through owned me? Maybe you meant "Thoroughly" owned me?) and scooping (I think you meant stooping) to your childish levels (Missing period, or other form of punctuation to move onto the next thought.) grow up and act your age.:thumb:

You owned me all right. :rolleyes: Its obvious that you can't type a complete thought. I am still waiting on you to back up your claim that import engines are less reliable. Let me know. :thumb:

Hah, a 350z motor is about as maxed out as an lt1 or ls1. There are plenty of upgrades for those motors, na and fi. Also, the 350z is an ULEV car to boot. Lots more hp available if your not worried about emmissions, which I am not on any of my cars.

To end discuss GM makes better engines than all of it competitors. Everyone including ford and ricers is behind the 93-02 f-body engines and still getting whip on by the LT1-LS1. Hell their is a new camaro come out to smoke all of it's foes once again.

This is the biggest lot of steaming crap I have seen typed in a while on these forums. The mechanical side of the LT1 is pretty strong aside from it being a notorious head gasket popper..... Remember how many complaints there were when the LS1 first came out about piston slap and oil consumption? Oh nevermind, you probably didn't due to the fact that your head is shoved so far up your ass that you're staring your molars down.

I've got an LT1 still down in the garage that by 138k miles had gone through a headgasket, then the block cracked. The car I rely on to get me around everyday is a Nissan with 212k miles.

I quantify making "better" engines as making engines that do what they are supposed to do day in and day out, while doing so with little more than routine maintenance. Given that I'll say that GM's engines cannot compete stock for stock with Japanese manufacturer's, and I think given how stout the 03+ Cobra engine is, Ford's got the upper hand. I will say that GM engines make a great starting point for making power if you want to tear down and start from scratch though.

Can we please let this thread go limping into the night where it belongs?:death:

Please... it's done what it came here to do:rolleyes:

YES! I started an 8 page war, a first for me. :devil: Anyway, I will argue the point about import engines lasting longer brought up in the previous post. I get this argument all the time from some of my friends. "My civic has 250K miles, my 240 has 200+ thousand miles" etc etc. I think this argument is not valid. You are comparing cars that make between 100-200hp to a high stress motor that makes 300+ horsepower. One is an economy motor, one is a powerhouse. Tack on the fact that these engines are beat on constantly, are frequently modified and raced, and you will lower the life expectancy of any engine. My friends bone stock 95 TA has 225,000 miles, runs the same times he did 9 years ago. My Z28 has 120,000 hard driven beat on miles, and still will crack 12's. I've been running slicks every day since 16,000 miles and I am still on my original 10 bolt! :eek: No one I know can believe that my Z28 still runs with the abuse it has been through since I was 17 (11+ years ago). No one expects their head/cam, nitrous, whatever motor to last over 100K. That is extremely unrealistic. That being said, almost all motors now are built really well and should last a long time with good maintanence, domestics and imports.

Hah, a 350z motor is about as maxed out as an lt1 or ls1. There are plenty of upgrades for those motors, na and fi. Also, the 350z is an ULEV car to boot. Lots more hp available if your not worried about emmissions, which I am not on any of my cars.

Cool. Ummm, wait, lemme see.......

We have 8.xx second 1/4 mile LT1s and LS1s, N/A.

Can you point me to the records for an 8.xx 1/4 mile N/A 350Z? Can't wait to see the time slip. Oh, wait. There isn't one, is there? Maybe there's just a tad more HP headroom left in a stock V8 with 350ci than there is in a stock V6 with 213ci. Ya think?

DOH!

Hey, getting 300HP out of 213ci N/A is not that easy, especially mass produced with full emissions. Nice work by Nissan. That's not the problem. It's getting 213ci to compete with 350ci that's the problem. There's a whole lot less mod room left. Especially when you can punch and sleeve a SBC out to 427+ci, literally double the displacement of the Nissan motor.

Let's get real here.

P.S. I'm enjoying this thread, in all of it's V8 lovin' neandethal glory :D

Hah, a 350z motor is about as maxed out as an lt1 or ls1.

Do you care to rephrase that?:rolleyes:


Mike

in other words:

the f body lt1/ls1 can, has and will destroy any car out there...:eek:

Nissan motors are notorious for thier apathy for boltons. You need FI of some kind or you're pretty much just wasting your money.

Can you point me to the records for an 8.xx 1/4 mile N/A 350Z?

That is a lame argument. I don't keep up with drag racing. I don't know of any 8 sec 4th gen cars, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

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Originally Posted by 94307
Hah, a 350z motor is about as maxed out as an lt1 or ls1.


Do you care to rephrase that?

Not really, but if you don't understand my meaning, all three motors can be modded to make more power.

Nissan motors are notorious for thier apathy for boltons. You need FI of some kind or you're pretty much just wasting your money.

Heads and cams do wonders for power. Same with good headers and full exhaust. Of course FI will make more power, but these cars can also make good na power. With good tuning, 350z motors are making 500rwhp FI with stock internals, so they are plenty strong(and this is with high compresion).

That is a lame argument. I don't keep up with drag racing. I don't know of any 8 sec 4th gen cars, that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Dont forget about the 7 second ones too. I'm going to venture out and say I could probably count the single digit 350Z/G35's on one hand

Not really, but if you don't understand my meaning, all three motors can be modded to make more power.

Any motor can be modded to make more power. That generalization does not back up your original point. The LT1/LS1's are definately not as close to maximum N/A performance as the 350Z/G35's are from the factory, being relative. A few bolt on's for each V8 and your seeing much better gains percentage wise compared to a 350Z/G35.

Heads and cams do wonders for power. Same with good headers and full exhaust. Of course FI will make more power, but these cars can also make good na power. With good tuning, 350z motors are making 500rwhp FI with stock internals, so they are plenty strong(and this is with high compresion).

So you point is FI makes more power than full exhaust and heads and cam. Then we hit the 500rwhp mark with FI in a 350Z, which can be done NA with LS1's. I know guys putting down 475rwhp number with stock internal LT1's with stock heads. Thats a 10.4-10.5 to 1 compression ratio. So what? Not to mention that fact that 4th Gen V8's love the juice making the 500rwhp mark even easier to achieve.


Regardless I'd like to see these stock internal 350Z's making 500rwhp or running 8's. Plus, anyone who argues that a 350Z/G35 is as maxed out as LT1's and LS1's from the factory and that they can somehow compete on any other level post stock has one rude awakening coming.

I think even Yellavette can agree to that :D

P.S. For Yellavette:

I ran 13.6 @ 104.4 with a 2.4 60' But that was 4-5 mods ago. I should be trapping around 106 now. Since the tracks are closed all I have for gauging my progress is street races. My last one was a win against a LS1 Vette from a highway roll. Overall I have a pretty strong LT1. Alot of kills I have people say I should have lost but my LT1 continues to amaze me and I cant complain.

-Dustin-

That is a lame argument. I don't keep up with drag racing. I don't know of any 8 sec 4th gen cars, that doesn't mean they don't exist. Not really, but if you don't understand my meaning, all three motors can be modded to make more power.

1st comment: Of course you dont keep up with drag racing because your a troll... you like to stir up nonsense with no meaning in a "track kill" forum on CamaroZ28.com

2nd comment: The reason I asked you to rephrase what you said is because you are dead wrong about the LS1/LT1. They are not nearly maxed out nor are in the same category as the 350Z. Yes you can mod all of them and make more power but as Bersaglieri already said, mod for mod and the LS1/LT1 will still be on top.


Mike

I ran a supercharged/headers/exhaust 350Z, from a roll.

It was not a problem. His car was pretty quick, but not nearly quick enough.

So there's at least 1 firsthand story of an FI 350Z not having enough HP to cut it against a N/A LT1. And before you get started, the guy probably had nearly as much $$$ in his mods as I do. At least $5K for the headers, exhaust and blower.

There are a couple of different superchargers for the 3.5L Nissan. At 7-8 psi on stock heads and bottom end, they add 60-80HP. For $4K-$5K. Much more boost and you're asking for it. This is supposed to be a motor with lots of headroom? No thanks.....none for me.

Now the Toyota Supra 3.0L motor, that one is a monster. There's a V6 with an incredible stock bottom end. Guys are running boost in the 20+psi range on that stock bottom end. Nothing but respect there, as a done-right Supra can hand you your own butt on a silver platter, especially from a roll. That's what I call headroom. The 350Z ain't even in the same class as a bunch of other motors, when it comes to mod potential.

<With good tuning, 350z motors are making 500rwhp FI with stock internals, so they are plenty strong(and this is with high compresion)>

I honestly don't know if I believe that. When we were looking for tt/supercharger kits for my bro's 350, we were told time and time again that the rods on the 350 would not tolerate any more than 450 hp. This came from the manufacturers of the kits. I've also read that on the Z forums. Where did you get this info?


That is a lame argument. I don't keep up with drag racing. I don't know of any 8 sec 4th gen cars, that doesn't mean they don't exist.



Not really, but if you don't understand my meaning, all three motors can be modded to make more power.



Heads and cams do wonders for power. Same with good headers and full exhaust. Of course FI will make more power, but these cars can also make good na power. With good tuning, 350z motors are making 500rwhp FI with stock internals, so they are plenty strong(and this is with high compresion).

Yeah, I definitely agree with that.....however, I still don't agree that they aren't marketable as competitors for the Fbody:)

Regardless I'd like to see these stock internal 350Z's making 500rwhp or running 8's. Plus, anyone who argues that a 350Z/G35 is as maxed out as LT1's and LS1's from the factory and that they can somehow compete on any other level post stock has one rude awakening coming.

I think even Yellavette can agree to that :D

P.S. For Yellavette:

I ran 13.6 @ 104.4 with a 2.4 60' But that was 4-5 mods ago. I should be trapping around 106 now. Since the tracks are closed all I have for gauging my progress is street races. My last one was a win against a LS1 Vette from a highway roll. Overall I have a pretty strong LT1. Alot of kills I have people say I should have lost but my LT1 continues to amaze me and I cant complain.

-Dustin-

Yeah, I definitely agree with that.....however, I still don't agree that they aren't marketable as competitors for the Fbody:)

No problem man, at least you bought a GTO. For that I'll let you live.

-Dustin-

Heads and cams do wonders for power. Same with good headers and full exhaust. Of course FI will make more power, but these cars can also make good na power. With good tuning, 350z motors are making 500rwhp FI with stock internals, so they are plenty strong(and this is with high compresion).

Cams and heads are not boltons. I don't know how well headers help, perhaps you could show me some dyno graphs?

I'm sure they're strong motors, but my point was that it takes more money to wake them up than it's worth especially compared to LSX series motors that profit so well from simple boltons.

The Supra is an I6, not a v6. That's one of the reasons it works so well. The inline 6 is the most naturally balanced engine configuration.

I ran a supercharged/headers/exhaust 350Z, from a roll.

It was not a problem. His car was pretty quick, but not nearly quick enough.

So there's at least 1 firsthand story of an FI 350Z not having enough HP to cut it against a N/A LT1. And before you get started, the guy probably had nearly as much $$$ in his mods as I do. At least $5K for the headers, exhaust and blower.

There are a couple of different superchargers for the 3.5L Nissan. At 7-8 psi on stock heads and bottom end, they add 60-80HP. For $4K-$5K. Much more boost and you're asking for it. This is supposed to be a motor with lots of headroom? No thanks.....none for me.

Now the Toyota Supra 3.0L motor, that one is a monster. There's a V6 with an incredible stock bottom end. Guys are running boost in the 20+psi range on that stock bottom end. Nothing but respect there, as a done-right Supra can hand you your own butt on a silver platter, especially from a roll. That's what I call headroom. The 350Z ain't even in the same class as a bunch of other motors, when it comes to mod potential.

I agree. That's the reason my brother sold his car. Bolt ons are nearly worthless. Intake, headers, and exhaust netted 15-20 rwhp. That was $1500-2k. Heads and cam was more than $5k and couldn't be done in this state. A supercharger kit brought the car up to 375 hp, but with install would run $6-7k.

However, you run into a roadblock with the LS1 too cause once you do heads/cam/bolt ons, you can't go much higher without beefing up the internals. I'd love to take my car up to about 600 hp, but can't afford a rebuild or driveline mods. Makes me miss my Supra sometimes:(

Cams and heads are not boltons. I don't know how well headers help, perhaps you could show me some dyno graphs?

I'm sure they're strong motors, but my point was that it takes more money to wake them up than it's worth especially compared to LSX series motors that profit so well from simple boltons.

The Supra is an I6, not a v6. That's one of the reasons it works so well. The inline 6 is the most naturally balanced engine configuration.

Yeah, you're right about the Supra. And the 911 is horizontally opposed.

I should have dropped the "V"s from that whole post.

a new 350Z costs 27,650 for a base coupe
my 95 Z28 with 58k miles cost me 5k last fall
that leaves $22,650
so in other words you could have a lt1 Z28 and nice cheap Econo car to drive everyday for less than you would spend on a 350Z

also the camaro/Trans-Ams were made more for Drag Racing
where the 350Z was not
it isn't really fair to look only at it's numbers at the strip put the two on a road course and i'll bet the 350 would be ahead

I agree. That's the reason my brother sold his car. Bolt ons are nearly worthless. Intake, headers, and exhaust netted 15-20 rwhp. That was $1500-2k. Heads and cam was more than $5k and couldn't be done in this state. A supercharger kit brought the car up to 375 hp, but with install would run $6-7k.

However, you run into a roadblock with the LS1 too cause once you do heads/cam/bolt ons, you can't go much higher without beefing up the internals. I'd love to take my car up to about 600 hp, but can't afford a rebuild or driveline mods. Makes me miss my Supra sometimes:(

Yeah LS1's have their limitations too, i'm more concerned with the drivetrain going than the engine though. It's strong, but when you're using pushrods and long strokes, you have to be more careful than OHC engines, since they arn't as complex and can be revved higher.

a new 350Z costs 27,650 for a base coupe
my 95 Z28 with 58k miles cost me 5k last fall
that leaves $22,650
so in other words you could have a lt1 Z28 and nice cheap Econo car to drive everyday for less than you would spend on a 350Z

also the camaro/Trans-Ams were made more for Drag Racing
where the 350Z was not
it isn't really fair to look only at it's numbers at the strip put the two on a road course and i'll bet the 350 would be ahead
To me the money factor is not a good argument. You can make that argument about a lot of things (swap this motor into that used car and wammo, 10 seconds). If my friend listens to me and he decides a third rebuild on the rotary in his RX is retarded, he will have a 10 or 9 second (nitrous) LS2 powered car for less than 10K. So what, you can really do anything you set your mind and wallet to and pretty cheaply nowdays.

Tangent: That might be an awesome swap to squeeze an LS1 into a 350Z or G35. I wonder if its possible. Maybe someone will try when the get cheaper.

An high school auto tech teacher here had his students help him install a turbo buick motor (231 c.i.) into his early 70's datsun. probably a grand national motor now that i think about it but 10.1 at 132 isnt too bad

No, I definitely would not consider 13.1 vs. 13.6 to be a huge ass whooping....not even close. If you do, then you do need to get to the track more. I've made back to back runs with the same car that were farther apart than that. A half second is just a couple car lengths.


First of all, the typical 350Z does not run 13.60s. Secondly, you need to get to the track more if you don't think a .50 isn't an ass whooping. The only issue where the .50 et would be close is if the quicker car slept at the tree. Hell, I could beat John Force if he waited until I crossed the finish line before he started the race. lol

The 350Z shouldn't even be compared in 1/4 mi performance with an LS1 car.

Just last nite I was out driving the wife's '04 GTO A4 and another guy was driving his friend's new 350Z. He tried to run me from a 35 roll. Let's just say he was embarrassed. The best the GTO has trapped is 101.

You can defend these cars all you want. I know how they stack up...and they don't stack up very well at all.

Maybe the 2003 and some 2004 owners that you are running into are upset over this:

http://www.nissanhelp.com/Ownership/Bulletins/Nissan/2006/NTB06-014.htm

VOLUNTARY RECALL CAMPAIGN FUEL HOSES

Need to do this to get to the hoses:
http://www.nissanhelp.com/Ownership/Bulletins/Nissan/2006/Images/06014-21.jpg

Crazy how they are packing cars so tight nowadays.

I don't see the 350Z running game on a road course either. Even IF the 350Z corners faster, the LS-1 will eat it up in the straights. I'm not saying one will out-do the other, but F-bodies handle great and raw power should give them the edge. I'd like to see some comparisons between the two on the same track (with experienced drivers).

It package like a little riceball.

I read bits and pieces of all this, and all I have to say is the 350Z is a bad suma bitch in the turns. Puts any f-body I ever rode in to shame for sure, and it's pretty quick to boot.

Well, seeing as I own an 04 GTO and I've raced/driven my brother's 350z almost daily for months....I might actually have a little more experience than you in this regard.

As far as the .50 second thing, that's been debated to death. If 3 lengths in a quarter mile is an ass-whooping in your opinion, that's cool. I disagree.

And no one said most 350Z's run 13.6. I said most run 14.1-2. The best I've ever seen is 13.6. Please read.

First of all, the typical 350Z does not run 13.60s. Secondly, you need to get to the track more if you don't think a .50 isn't an ass whooping. The only issue where the .50 et would be close is if the quicker car slept at the tree. Hell, I could beat John Force if he waited until I crossed the finish line before he started the race. lol

The 350Z shouldn't even be compared in 1/4 mi performance with an LS1 car.

Just last nite I was out driving the wife's '04 GTO A4 and another guy was driving his friend's new 350Z. He tried to run me from a 35 roll. Let's just say he was embarrassed. The best the GTO has trapped is 101.

You can defend these cars all you want. I know how they stack up...and they don't stack up very well at all.

The F-body comes form the factory with a bad alignment settings and a few suspension tweaks that need to be done. If you look at what's racing in real car events such as AutoX and RR, you will hardly ever see a 350Z in top place when comparing times to an F-body.

They do come with a tighter suspension from the factory though which gives it that sporty feel without mods.

Why does everyone say they drive a 10 second car, but you never see them in it??? :think:


Maybe they drive a 350Z, and they really mean for 0-60? :D

Maybe they drive a 350Z, and they really mean for 0-60? :D
Hey, I'll have to use that line!:lol:

I've ran 2 350Z's at the track and I killed one by a full second, 13.4 to 14.4, the other one had some mods, all I got out of it was full exhaust, tuning, and some other things. I beat him pretty badly as well, 13.4 to 13.9. All i have done to my 200,000 mile LT1 is full exhaust and gearing. So, yellavette, No I'm not afraid of the 350Z.

Zach

Congrats on the wins, but what's your point? I said the 2 cars are only comparable STOCK vs. STOCK. Everyone already agrees that once the modding starts the comparisons end. But going by your post, you run 13.4 with gears, exhaust, and headers. The fastest stock 350z right now runs 13.6. If you happen to run into that car, or another one like it, you might still have reason to be scared, no? 2 tenths isn't that big a margin :D

I've ran 2 350Z's at the track and I killed one by a full second, 13.4 to 14.4, the other one had some mods, all I got out of it was full exhaust, tuning, and some other things. I beat him pretty badly as well, 13.4 to 13.9. All i have done to my 200,000 mile LT1 is full exhaust and gearing. So, yellavette, No I'm not afraid of the 350Z.

Zach

The F-body comes form the factory with a bad alignment settings and a few suspension tweaks that need to be done. If you look at wants racing in real car events such as AutoX and RR, you will hardly ever see a 350Z in top place when comparing times to an F-body.

They do come with a tighter suspension from the factory though which gives it that sporty feel without mods.

That's the point I was trying to make, for some reason people who don't have F-bodies think they handle like pigs. Yet in amearture and professional racing circuits the F-body is at the top. Even if a car has a slight advantage in cornnering, it isn't enough to make a differnce on the road.

I had a guy in a neon try to run my SS on the way to work and I ignored him completely. When he jumped on it it sounded like he had a locomotive turbo on it and it pulled away pretty fast. He may have gave me a run for the money...(Ya never know what's the deal with car's like that)