I think everyones collectivly crapping thier pants over this car!

First I would like to say thank you for letting the pics go out. I was going to come home today and post that this might spark more fire and be a raging inferno by the time it hits the NAIAS floor.
The fires have started, I searched many diffrent forums that had the pics posted. Alot of mustang boards, import boards and like stated above, crapping thier pants. I was reading alot of comments from people that were not using thier sphincter (sp) to talk and actually gave thought about what they saw. Mind you alot of the posts had no pictures as they were taken down so all I saw was the comments.
The comments from the inteligent crowd were outstanding. Especially the Mustang boards. Surprised me..:eek: alot of praise, drools and hit the nail on the head type or comments. a few to retro comments on the import boards but they too were like ohhh wow this car is stunning.

anyone else get this feeling while cruising the other forums looking for the pics?

So to the people that make up the group that put this car together Thank you. It is I think what we as Camaro fans were looking for and some changes,tweaks are good..lets hope this spirit of the car stays.
I will be looking for it when its comes out. Only thing now is to bump up that date from 09 to 08. To big of a gap for Mustang to continue to sell.:cry:

I got the same feeling. For those that are not compelled to "protect" themselves by bashing the car and letting an intelligent comment out, pro or con, there seems a lot of praise out there. And the comments that are against it, are in a constructive manner.....nothing I expected. So not only two thumbs up to the Camaro team at GM, but two thumbs up to the car community too.

I certainly hope GM is grasping the overwhelmingly positive response, and taking our comments, praise and concerns to heart. That being said, let the pantscrapping continue! :eek:

I really had my doubts about this car. But RP kept saying he was really liking the way this car was turning out so I figured this thing must be pretty sharp. I'd have to say I'm really digging this car....of course I'd change a couple things but most have already stated what I would change. I can't wait to see the real deal. Great Job GM! What an xmas present this is! Time to start saving some $$$.


Colin

Two things I noticed right away-it's too little too late when General Motors abruptly discontinued the Camaro platform they ailianeted many prospective buyers of a General Motors Auto... Many pospective buyers are turned off!! The overpriced, over hyped,GTO is another example of the current GM's distain for the young American car buyer! Do they really think that we're going to rush back just because it's a Camaro nameplate? $34,000.00 for a Grand Bland Body or a Impala looking Camaro. Perhaps they close their doors OR better yet Fire all the incompetents!!

I think it makes the Mustang look dated already.

Do they really think that we're going to rush back just because it's a Camaro nameplate? $34,000.00 for a Grand Bland Body or a Impala looking Camaro.

For a car like this...yes! "impala looking or not":rolleyes:

Many pospective buyers are turned off!! The overpriced, over hyped,GTO is another example of the current GM's distain for the young American car buyer!

Who is this buyer you refer to? The same younger buyer that can't afford insurance on his 10 year old LT1? Or the younger buyer that can't wait to get cleared for a $10,000 loan to buy an LS1 car? The days of cheap high horsepower cars left 30 years ago, get with the times. GM does offer some cheaper priced Fun cars: Cobalt SS, G6, Solstice, Sky. These are low $20s priced cars.

As for the GTO comment, to each his own. The 2005 GTO has a better motor, ride, build, interior, and is more solid than the fourth gens ever were, and still comes in a price that is less than a heavily optioned SS/WS6 would have cost you in 2002. But had you actually looked at the GTO, you'd realize that A. It isn't meant to be a car that is a Camaro, or a car to replace the Camaro. B. You'd want this car to succeed, as it is the first GM I have owned that is (IMHO) Good Looking, Well Built, Powerful, and had real attention to detail in the interior of the car. If GM uses even some of the GTO formula on the new Camaro, they'll have a real knockout.

My understanding is a few clay models of the next gen GTO looked similiar to the concept Camaro. As a matter of fact the concept Camaro has a few styling cues from the 1999 GTO Concept.

Thing looks so chopped its crazy. Look at the fog lights, they are two different fogs. One is round, while the other is shaped almost like an eye. Now that I look at it, the whole entire side of the car dosnt even match up.

yea it looks like a clay mock up and two diffrent sides were done and what one would be the better looking..

That is because it's is a clay mockup. It is a styling excersise. two slighty different styles put together.

First of all let me say the only thing I do not like about the car is that gage package But heck it may not be the one that goes in the car when it it goes in to production next year.

2nd of all I want to say thanks to all of those who backed Scott up & kept the faith.

My understanding is a few clay models of the next gen GTO looked similiar to the concept Camaro. As a matter of fact the concept Camaro has a few styling cues from the 1999 GTO Concept.

Yes. Ditto. :)

2nd of all I want to say thanks to all of those who backed Scott up & kept the faith.

I second'd your second comment ;)

I'm excited about Camaro all over again!

Wow, since the introduction of these pictures all the barbarians have came out of the cracks - as predicted, LOL.

Wonderful.

Even blueovalnews people had some really nice things to say, and they're ardent Ford folks.

I went searching for pics. and found them on a Mustang board, man what a bunch of bone heads. Most of them were into bashing GM for any reason at all. And almost all that I read was false made up BS about what they called the Crapmaro. :rolleyes:

I went searching for pics. and found them on a Mustang board, man what a bunch of bone heads. Most of them were into bashing GM for any reason at all. And almost all that I read was false made up BS about what they called the Crapmaro. :rolleyes:

Of course they were...they're nervous. And with good reason to be so.

Wow, since the introduction of these pictures all the barbarians have came out of the cracks - as predicted, LOL.

Wonderful.


what ya mean by that??

I went searching for pics. and found them on a Mustang board, man what a bunch of bone heads. Most of them were into bashing GM for any reason at all. And almost all that I read was false made up BS about what they called the Crapmaro. :rolleyes:



much like on this board when the '05 mustang came out.There was a LOT of hating going on.Seems like some narrow minded individuals can't seem to deal with supporting ALL american muscle.Why can't we all just get along.

I think everyones collectivly crapping thier pants over this car!
I am :thumb:

what ya mean by that??

He means that, since the pics are now publicly posted along with a link to this forum, there are going to be alot of shall we say "uninformed" opinions regarding the concept. People who say that GM alienated it's core audience when I cancelled the fbody, without a true understanding of the reasons why it was necessary. People who haven't bought a new camaro and think that it should come with 400hp stock, and cost $23k new. See a few posts above for an idea of what I'm talking about. FYI even though this is my first post, I've lurked here for years, so think I have a solid idea as to what Chrome is referring to.

DCR...thats cool, I was asking if it was directed to me...thats what I was asking, cus if it was I can say that 90% of my posts on Camaroz28.com have been in the 5th gen forum. I have been a contributor to discussions and thoughts ever since the 5th gen forum started.

Yes I also know about all the low posters asking and responding to questions..and are uninformed. I am not in the know but I know enough and who to take seriously and not to. Just didnt want to have a personal attack on the post I made for someone thinking I was not an active participant. and not a 5th gen noob...

:D

I'm not impressed, in fact a little disappointed at the design. However, you can't please them all and besides, at least it doesn't look like the SS concept! If GM finds this worthy enough to dub it "Camaro", then so it is.

With that said, I will be buying. :bow:

I'm not impressed, in fact a little disappointed at the design. However, you can't please them all and besides, at least it doesn't look like the SS concept! If GM finds this worthy enough to dub it "Camaro", then so it is.

With that said, I will be buying. :bow:

So if you are not impressed and dissapointed in the design, what makes you want to buy the car? Is it just because it is a Camaro or maybe because of the estimated performance? Just curious.

Look at the design of this projected car, and compare it with the current market and future market stylings that we know of? Think about it....

I always said, what if they never made a production 5th gen...what if the designers made a 5th gen, stared at it for a year, and made a 6th gen and released that...could you imagine the response? I really think that that's what they did with this car and is why we all love it (except for some minor details with some of us). Its on the edge of being a 6th generation vehicle, without looking like an over the top prototype.
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So you are saying that this looks futuristic?

What it seems that happed was, the designers made a 5th generation car (a new modern design that followed the evolution theme of a Camaro), stared at it for a year, then scrapped it when they saw success of another competitor and decided to cash in on a design trend and cut the Camaro lineage. I would love to have seen what that 5th generation Camaro looked like.

So if you are not impressed and dissapointed in the design, what makes you want to buy the car? Is it just because it is a Camaro or maybe because of the estimated performance? Just curious.

The "Camaro" factor. My parents have always owned at least one, I've owned two (Birds), and my brother owns one. F-bodys are a part of my family history. Fact is, even if it were uglier (my opinion, once again), I would STILL buy. Performance is of little concern to me since I trust GM will continue to keep high performance synonomous with the Camaro name. Besides, my idea of a fast car is anything that does 13s, so I'm not hard to please. :D

Look at the design of this projected car, and compare it with the current market and future market stylings that we know of? Think about it....

I always said, what if they never made a production 5th gen...what if the designers made a 5th gen, stared at it for a year, and made a 6th gen and released that...could you imagine the response? I really think that that's what they did with this car and is why we all love it (except for some minor details with some of us). Its on the edge of being a 6th generation vehicle, without looking like an over the top prototype.

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I have a 4th gen firebird and I think it's a great update to the camaro.

I think its a great response to the new mustang gt that is currently out and looks tougher than both the new mustang and the dodge challenger pics that were leaked. New mustang looks kind of weak, I dunno. :D

IMHO, I think what GM came up with is better than all the concepts that have been posted on the net so far. Sorry, I just think it's better.

For once, GM grew a pair and did a design that kicks some butt instead of doing a focus group and giving us an aztek, a crappy toyota knockoff of a taurus, or listening too close to fbod freaks and giving us a lame update.

If what gets shipped is 80% close to what that picture shows I will buy one for sure.

It will be cool to see that car haul down a dragstrip or cruising down the highway.

I can't wait.
It wil be cool seeing the threads about sticking a big cam in one of those cars.

The car looks stunning I will give it that. It looks like GM has a real winner....if the production looks anything like that. Let's all take a trip down memory lane. Remember when Ford put the Concept 05 Mustang in..I believe it was Hot Rod Magazine? The car was amazing, it had a low stance, low ceiling, sharp curves and large wheels, much like the Camaro you see in these pictures. Now, that being said, take your issue of Hot Rod and go to your local Ford dealership and look at the Mustang. There were many changes made to the design before it hit the market which will must likely take place on the Camaro as well. But, Im not trying to be a grouch, I like the way it looks, and can't wait to see it on the road. Even if they do change it up a lil bit.

Yes, sneaky neil, that is my take on things.
(I deleted my post and made my GM logo bigger :D)
Its just cool cause I've always wondered what the response would be if we took a 4th gen back to 1969 showed them how awesome the car evolved. To me, I am thinking that the Camaro evolved twice, and it has a bit of a futuristic look to it, but nothing outrageously unattainable. Just enough to leave us with our mouths open.

Some of the prototypes that have been done in the past were over the top, looking like space ships or something. To me, all prototypes are over exagerations and look alien...not the Camaro, that thing looks mean. Did you notice the shadow over the headlights because the lights are set back in the grill a little bit? Sinister! :bow:

Yes, sneaky neil, that is my take on things.
(I deleted my post and made my GM logo bigger :D)

I noticed that, the new "GM" looks good.

Some of the prototypes that have been done in the past were over the top, looking like space ships or something. To me, all prototypes are over exagerations and look alien...not the Camaro, that thing looks mean. Did you notice the shadow over the headlights because the lights are set back in the grill a little bit? Sinister! :bow:

I hate the "alien" prototypes too. I just hate knowing that the original 5th gen design (as I understand it) was canned in favor of a retro design inspired by the Mustang. Does the public really want a retro car? Maybe they do, I don't know. I would love to read about the behind the scenes development of the "new" Camaro and see what really happened.

I hate the "alien" prototypes too. I just hate knowing that the original 5th gen design (as I understand it) was canned in favor of a retro design inspired by the Mustang. Does the public really want a retro car? Maybe they do, I don't know. I would love to read about the behind the scenes development of the "new" Camaro and see what really happened.
I don't really consider it retro, as much as heavy with old styling cues. Red says that in person it isn't as noticeable. I trust him with that. :)

what ya mean by that??

Yeah, nothing towards you Caps.

The amount of posts that are just worthless have doubled since the pictures have surfaced and this board feels more like dare I say it... The Lounge!

Barbarians was in reference to someone elses post (can't remember who) who referenced the Loungers as the "Barbarian Horde". (aka Gladiator...). ;)

I don't really consider it retro, as much as heavy with old styling cues. Red says that in person it isn't as noticeable. I trust him with that. :)

I want to agree, I really do but someone can tell me the car is not retro until they are blue in the face, but I can see the pics and it's obvious what the car is.

Everyone should be crapping their pants, the car's HOT :cool:

Im really starting to dig the front end alot. Its just mean looking.

I don't really consider it retro, as much as heavy with old styling cues. Red says that in person it isn't as noticeable. I trust him with that. :)

Honestly, I don't know how you can say that's not retro. How many modern cars have that upright of a windshield? How many modern cars have a relatively blunt-nosed grille? How many modern cars have a really long hood and really short deck? I'm sorry, but that's a purely retro design that's been modernized, just like the Mustang.

As for the original topic, I've been scanning other automotive message boards and I don't see much awe for this design. Most of the favourable comments come from the GM members on those boards. Owners of other marques almost universally dislike the pictures. Granted that's not very scientific, but it does tend to back up my initial feeling that this car will appeal mostly to people who are already GM owners and it won't expand its market very much.

I fear that after the initial rush of GM loyalists buy theirs, sales are going to tank pretty quickly.

I fear that after the initial rush of GM loyalists buy theirs, sales are going to tank pretty quickly.

I have said the same thing and this is what I fear the most, because if sales do tank, I think GM will pull the plug forever and that will be it, no other chances. I really hope this won't come true. I think the Camaro is going to have to rely more heavily on the other aspects of the car, besides the design, to make it work. It is going to need something special to stand out of the crowd, so what will it have? Styling? Performance? Price? Interior? Driveability?................and they get less important from there.

I forgot about the new rwd Tiberon(sp) too. That is another vehicle that might be in this segment. How is the Camaro going to stand out?

Naaaa, look at the mustang. People are TIRED of the same aerodynamic blah designs being regurgitated for the last 10 years. They are ready to sacrifice maybe some aero, etc... for something that doesn't look like a pile of dog sh*t. (aka Any recent Import/Domestic Car) This doesn't include the new Mustang, HHR, 300, etc... And guess what they're selling like hotcakes!!! :)

Two things I noticed right away-it's too little too late when General Motors abruptly discontinued the Camaro platform they ailianeted many prospective buyers of a General Motors Auto... Many pospective buyers are turned off!! The overpriced, over hyped,GTO is another example of the current GM's distain for the young American car buyer! Do they really think that we're going to rush back just because it's a Camaro nameplate? $34,000.00 for a Grand Bland Body or a Impala looking Camaro. Perhaps they close their doors OR better yet Fire all the incompetents!!

Whoa Whoa dude...have you test driven a goat yet? Over priced and over hyped?? First of all you wont find a car as powerful in that price range. Secondly you wont find a car with its styling and interior quality in its price range. Its less expensive than an SS in 02, and much nicer. Finally I have never seen one GTO commercial on TV. The "overhype" you speak of comes from folks who either own one or have driven one, which you obviously haven't done. You know....folks who know what they are talking about. There are not many cars in production I'd trade my 02 Z for, but the Goat is one of em, and I plan to do that very soon. The GTO is a big time upgrade form the Camaro or T/A.....all round. I love my maro. I have always been a Camaro dude, but after driving a goat....I have no doubt I can enjoy the GTO much much more. It's an awesome ride.....nuff said.

Yeah, nothing towards you Caps.

The amount of posts that are just worthless have doubled since the pictures have surfaced and this board feels more like dare I say it... The Lounge!

Barbarians was in reference to someone elses post (can't remember who) who referenced the Loungers as the "Barbarian Horde". (aka Gladiator...). ;)

okay cool thanks :D

But I think is needed is ADVETISING...thats the short of it..and presence..when you see a Magnun, you know its a magnum, or a Mustang, or a HHR or a 300C American designs...it should sell..as long as the markup dosnt kill it..

BUT if GM takes a page out of Fords book and plaster this car all over the place, TV print and live then it should be a HIT....