What Will be Under the Hood of the Camaro Concept

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If we get a fully operational concept, what would be under the hood? What would you like to see under the hood, something radical or something production based.

I am thinking 6.0L LS2 with more than current production horsepower, maybe 450 - 475 hp.

Blown Ls7
:D

LS7:cool:

Production based, but have better sound, via headers/exhaust. So they can rev it at the show and get people running over to see what it is. :)

Blown LS7 with Header back Exhaust :D



Bring back TBI!!! :D

Hamster wheel.

HEMI.......

Oh wait this is'nt Allpar! :D

6.6L LS2...396/375HP...:D (base engine ofcourse...;) )
With a GTO-like, heritage sounding exhaust...:cool:

I'd like to see a TT LS7 ;) This of course, should then be implemented as the standard base engine for the 5th. gen :lol:

It would be nice to see one of GM's more production reality Supercharged LS2's sitting under the hood . :) A blown chevy accompaning fords blown shelby cobra would have more of a cool factor imo . Plus , a LS7 type engine is never ever gonna happen in Camaro . Cost wise this time around , I think the only way Chevy is gonna compete at the higher end of the ponycar wars is with one of those supercharged LS based engines theyve been toying with .

An LS7 since it will pretty much be a concept, tubular stainless headers and exhaust.

Another vote for LS7, since it looks like Corvette will get the LS9. Although, it does look like the SS is going to get that. Meh. What do I know.

Nothing, since the concept is going to be cancelled.

Nothing, since the concept is going to be cancelled.
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Nothing, since the concept is going to be cancelled.

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Care to elaborate on that comment?

Nothing, since the concept is going to be cancelled.

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And um who told you this?

Nothing, since the concept is going to be cancelled.

Holy Sh!t.

I'd better cancel my hotel room!

Ditto!

If it was my choice, a turbo LS2 putting out at least 1000hp/1000tq. Hopefully something cool is under the hood.

6.6L LS2...396/375HP...:D (base engine ofcourse...;) )
With a GTO-like, heritage sounding exhaust...:cool:
you mean 6.5 lol

Nothing, since the concept is going to be cancelled.


your a turd go home troll:death:

Duramax, banks twin turbo charged Diesel :D


Ok, seriously though either and LS2 or LS7.

GM usually likes to show future engines in concepts so I'm going to go with this.......

the LS9 6.3 V8 (It's probally going to be a 6.2 or 6.4) but.....It will have DOD and get 26mpg highway and pack 440hp........First use of this engine would be in a Corvette.........

If I'm guessing right anyway a wink could be given if I am close :D :D :cool:

Hey Brandon ^ that makes 3 websites I can now think of that we visit regularly ;)

My bet is on an LS7 being under the hood. Concepts are made to draw attention, they aren't going to stick another run of the mill LS2 under there. I could see maybe the blown 6.2, but I still think the LS7 will be under there.

GM usually likes to show future engines in concepts so I'm going to go with this.......

the LS9 6.3 V8 (It's probally going to be a 6.2 or 6.4) but.....It will have DOD and get 26mpg highway and pack 440hp........First use of this engine would be in a Corvette.........

If I'm guessing right anyway a wink could be given if I am close :D :D :cool:

Hey Brandon ^ that makes 3 websites I can now think of that we visit regularly ;)
This gets my guess too.

Ls3??

Engine not a concern.....it'll be badass what ever one they choose to put in there.
From an enthusiast view, hopefully room and lots of it, also a PCM that will support large amounts of HP.

Getting sick of these cramped engine compartments and PCM's that can't compensate for boost from the factory.

So all those over there at GM, yes we mod the crap out our cars, let us have some room to do it, both in the engine and in the PCM!!!!!
Thanks,
J:D

Getting sick of these cramped engine compartments and PCM's that can't compensate for boost from the factory.

So all those over there at GM, yes we mod the crap out our cars, let us have some room to do it, both in the engine and in the PCM!!!!!
Thanks,
J:D

I'm totally with ya on the engine bay , god I miss my third gens :) But I respectfully dissagree an the PCM's . Both the LT1 and the LSx pcms are capable , an both have achieved supporting well over 700 hp at the wheels , with fuel cut-off's at 7K rpm for the LT1 and 8K for LS1 . Alot of the boosted guys are switching to a 3 bar map and running in speed density mode .

What I'm hoping will be under the hood? 100% of the engine. Not 75% of the engine under the hood, and the other 25% under the cowl panel.

Methinks this may be wishful thinking.

This makes me wonder something else though: thinking in terms of "if it goes retro," I'm curious to see how they execute the cab forward design while keeping things in proportion to the 67-69 model, and have it still look "correct."

This makes me wonder something else though: thinking in terms of "if it goes retro," I'm curious to see how they execute the cab forward design while keeping things in proportion to the 67-69 model, and have it still look "correct."

Easy , they wont :) Take a peek in a CTS , STS , or GTO engine bay to get , not a picture of , but a general feeling for how the engine bay will look .

....... I'm curious to see how they execute the cab forward design while keeping things in proportion to the 67-69 model, and have it still look "correct."

"Cab foward" is not a GM design practice.it was a Chrysler theme that has since been abandoned.

I think he means how they'll shorten the front overhang and probably the hood/fenders, maybe...

GM usually likes to show future engines in concepts so I'm going to go with this.......

the LS9 6.3 V8 (It's probally going to be a 6.2 or 6.4) but.....It will have DOD and get 26mpg highway and pack 440hp........First use of this engine would be in a Corvette.........

If I'm guessing right anyway a wink could be given if I am close :D :D :cool:

Hey Brandon ^ that makes 3 websites I can now think of that we visit regularly ;)
Yep on the underlined part. Remember what engine was in the SS sedan concept? A 6.0L V8 that made 430hp. Does anybody think the LS2 might be underrated by about 30hp? :D

Turbo 2.2L Ecotec at 1000HP ;)

Yep on the underlined part. Remember what engine was in the SS sedan concept? A 6.0L V8 that made 430hp. Does anybody think the LS2 might be underrated by about 30hp? :D

Compare it to an LS6... .3 liters more displacement, same compression, and you get the SAME hp? hmmmmmmmmmmm ;) .

Most likely some sort of LS2 variation.

You guys are really stretching here. haha

Methinks LS9. :)

V-16 from the Cadillac sixteen concept


Ford = owned:bow:

V-16 from the Cadillac sixteen concept


Ford = owned:bow:
If we are talking concept 1 off engines. How about a dual cam in block V8 ala XV8 displacing 6.5 liters supercharged pushing 700-800 hp with a 6 speed auto with fully manual shifting?

I heard the whole plan might get scrapped also.. :( My friends uncle who works at the GM Tech Center told him this. Then their might be a possibility the project might be sent to Australia to the same people who designed the GTO body.:rolleyes: That would not be good. I do not think their is an actual concept made yet.

Who knows....

Rob

I think he means how they'll shorten the front overhang and probably the hood/fenders, maybe...


Yes and the wheels pushed to the corners.

I heard the whole plan might get scrapped also.. :( My friends uncle who works at the GM Tech Center told him this. Then their might be a possibility the project might be sent to Australia to the same people who designed the GTO body.:rolleyes: That would not be good. I do not think their is an actual concept made yet.

Who knows....

Rob
With all the invites sent out I would have a freakin' heart attack if no Camaro or Camaro like design study were on hand in Detriot.

Paging Mr. Planet, Mr. Red Planet.

Ls2 or Ls7.

Compare it to an LS6... .3 liters more displacement, same compression, and you get the SAME hp? hmmmmmmmmmmm ;) .


The LS2 uses the early 01 LS6 cam, it's smaller than the later 405hp. The proof is in the pudding, LS2 GTOs don't dyno that impressively, averaging only 335 or so. They also don't run that well on the track due to torque management.

But swap cams and get a tune and who wouldn't rather have 18ci and Ls6 heads from the factory. Then again, i bought some CNC'd LS6 heads cheap enough that i'd gladly trade 18ci for a throttle cable that doesn't fail like the gas pedals in 05s

My .02 goes on the LS9 or LS7. LS9 if they want to show a new engine off. LS7 so they can slam a huge ass "427" badge on the side.

I don't know what will be in it, but I would personally rather see something that is likely to make it into the production car over a LS7 or something. Since I'm not going to ever drive this concept, nor see any performance tests I don't really care if it has a 505hp LS7 in it or not. I'd like to get some hint of what the real Camaro will have under the hood, so I'm thinking a production LS2 would be just fine by me...

They're stuffing the LS2 in everything it seems and we're getting pretty jaded IMO, but a 400hp factory warranteed motor in a affordable ponycar is pretty exciting to me, I don't need some whizbang 500-600+ hp beast of a motor that has 0 chance at seeing production in the Camaro to wow me...

Does anyone think we might see the LS3, or whatever engine code the 6.2 liter all aluminum is supposed to bear?

440HP L92 6.2L is my guess.

... that or a tricked out LS2

Open Discussion

If we get a fully operational concept, what would be under the hood? What would you like to see under the hood, something radical or something production based.

I am thinking 6.0L LS2 with more than current production horsepower, maybe 450 - 475 hp.

Naw. It's gonna be a Pratt & Whitney PW6000.

Since it's all speculation anyways. ;)

A slightly de-tuned LS7 - maybe not de-"tuned" (I'd still like to see ~500 - 505 HP) but instead of the trick dry-sump oiling system, use a conventional oil pan and simplify the motor. It doesn't have to be hand-built either, like the Z06's. But I would like to see the LS7 in the new Camaro :yes:. Don't tell me it's too expensive or not feasible either - :bs:. It's just a block, heads, and some rotating internals ... I doubt the cost of each part is any more for an LS7 than an LS2, except maybe for the titanium rods;).

A slightly de-tuned LS7 - maybe not de-"tuned" (I'd still like to see ~500 - 505 HP) but instead of the trick dry-sump oiling system, use a conventional oil pan and simplify the motor. It doesn't have to be hand-built either, like the Z06's. But I would like to see the LS7 in the new Camaro :yes:. Don't tell me it's too expensive or not feasible either - :bs:. It's just a block, heads, and some rotating internals ... I doubt the cost of each part is any more for an LS7 than an LS2, except maybe for the titanium rods;).


Pull out the dry sump oiling system, and I have to wonder if GM would still run it up to 7000 rpm. Maybe on the concept (doubtful, since concepts are seldom an exercise in fiscal restraint), but I don't know if we would ever see a LS7 production variant with a conventional oil pan running up to 7 grand on a warranty. Especially in a car designed to take sharp corners.

Pull out the dry sump oiling system, and I have to wonder if GM would still run it up to 7000 rpm. Maybe on the concept (doubtful, since concepts are seldom an exercise in fiscal restraint), but I don't know if we would ever see a LS7 production variant with a conventional oil pan running up to 7 grand on a warranty. Especially in a car designed to take sharp corners.
I don't think the Camaro's intent is to be a full fledged "race car" like the 'Vette, which pulls near or above ~1.0 lateral g's!:D In a straight line, the oil should stay within reach of the oil pick-up tube!!:thumb:

Foam!


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I don't think the Camaro's intent is to be a full fledged "race car" like the 'Vette, which pulls near or above ~1.0 lateral g's!:D In a straight line, the oil should stay within reach of the oil pick-up tube!!:thumb:

My concern wasn't with lateral G's alone. My concern was the 7 liter motor having trouble scavenging a normal oil sump at very high rpm while being subject any G force. Even in a straight line, I would think GM would keep the dry sump on there to make sure everything gets oil at high RPM. Alot of guys run there LS engines above 7000 RPM on a wet sump style pan, but they don't have to sell the car with a warranty. Most guys switch over to a dry sump system on LS engines as engine speeds near 8000 RPM anyway, just to make sure everything is running nice an lubed (although production LS7s aren't going to get anywhere near that speed unless someone botches a shift).

My point is, if the dry sump system goes, I think RPM's are coming down on a production motor.

Foam!


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Ls7, what kind of drugs are you guys on? :confused:

Being very realistic, ls2 w/390-400hp. Anything over that will send the vette guys into panic mode.

i dont think the ls7 is going in the camaro, as bad a$$ as that would be, it won't happen.

i think ls2 with an optional turbo/supercharger for the top-end model (ss or z28, whatever it will be)
that way the camaro will blow the doors off the new cobras.

i think ls2 with an optional turbo for the top-end model (ss or z28, whatever it will be)
that way the camaro will blow the doors off the new cobras.

Now that would be a car to charge near $40k for and would sell. That would steal a lot of Cobra sales.

Hamster wheel.


That's my guess. Minus the hamster. :(

Its safe to say that what's under the hood of the concept will not be the production motor. So IMO its really irrelevant as long as its a V8.

It does, however, need to have a big impressive HP number. I'll guess a hopped up LS2.

Turbocharged Ecotec! ;)

I don't have any idea what the concept will have, but if the Camaro makes it to production...

z28 ls3 5.3 with DoD

SS ls2 6.0

The 5.3 with DoD would be a very competitive motor for the Mustang GT and get way better gas milage... And since they are already building tons of these for SUV's, Trucks, and Front wheel drive cars... They should be able to price them competitively with the Mustang GT... If they can't price compete, they are doomed to see the fate of the 4th gen...

Turbo 2.2L Ecotec at 1000HP ;)

Turbocharged Ecotec! ;)
You left out the 1000HP part :)

You! Hush and go sit in the corner. We DON'T need you giving GM any ideas. BAD enthusiest!:mad:






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"shakes magic 8-ball again"

Crap, it said foam again! Who knew these things came with "Foam" on the lil pyramid?!!?

:p jfw y'all!

Foam!


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Some of us are not reading the title...
This is for the CONCEPT! NOT the production.

I bet it will have some sort of fuel saving or alternate fuel basis.

Some of us are not reading the title...
This is for the CONCEPT! NOT the production.

Thanks for clearing that up, some of us were getting a little off track. Concept usually means more horsepower than production, for a show.

The LS1000 - its formed out of liquid metal enabling it to morph into a 1 cylinder when just cruising on the highway to get maximum gas mileage and when u need it can morph into a 32 cylinder engine packing 4000hp when are in a serious police chase.

Electric/gas Ecotec hybrid.

Probably Reality - LS2 or LS3

Probably Dreaming - LS7 or LS9

Probably Day Dreaming - 350 "5.7L" LS7 7L block 4.8L crank (see CTS-VR) or 302ci "5L" 5.3L LS3 block with 283ci (4.6L) sized crank :bow: .

David

The LS1000 - its formed out of liquid metal enabling it to morph into a 1 cylinder when just cruising on the highway to get maximum gas mileage and when u need it can morph into a 32 cylinder engine packing 4000hp when are in a serious police chase.


:lol:

Thats great.


It will probably have the LS7 simply for the concept and then be an LS2 for production.

I wonder how many more jaws would drop if the concept featured an LS7 over an LS2. Just to add to the wow factor.. :shrug: