ls6 intake.... not your normal question

being that my trans am is an 02... i have the ls6 intake
a buddy of mine and i were talkin the other day (he has a 99 firehawk) and hes been wanting to get the ls6 intake. having enlisted in the army with a 58 week training schedule, and stationing overseas, following that, i'm going to be selling my car in the next few months. i am probably just gonna take a little hit and give it up to a dealership, or used car lot... etc...

before i get rid of my car ( i plan on just giving my friend most of the mods off my car that really aren't worth much used )

we got to thinking

could we just swap intakes?

as in, put his ls1 intake (that already has the egr deleted) on my car... and give him my ls6?

I don't see why not. They both are interchangable I think.

You could. But, the stock tune is different for '99s and '02s. So, your car might seem like it's being choked slightly (kinda like that feeling you get from turtle neck shirts). Also, I get the fact that he's your friend and all, but why would you want to screw over a fellow f-body owner (whoever buys your car) by putting on a more restrictive part off of another car? I'd be slightly pissed if I just paid upwards of $18K for a car from some guy that was trying to pull a stunt like this. Not trying to p!ss on your wheaties or nothing, but you've got to think about the other side of this before you go through with it.

You could. But, the stock tune is different for '99s and '02s. So, your car might seem like it's being choked slightly (kinda like that feeling you get from turtle neck shirts). Also, I get the fact that he's your friend and all, but why would you want to screw over a fellow f-body owner (whoever buys your car) by putting on a more restrictive part off of another car? I'd be slightly pissed if I just paid upwards of $18K for a car from some guy that was trying to pull a stunt like this. Not trying to p!ss on your wheaties or nothing, but you've got to think about the other side of this before you go through with it.


they'll be getting a computer tune they won't know about...
and free subframe connectors, and a tranny that was rebuilt under warranty 7k miles ago

all of which neither i, nor the people who sell it will benefit financially frome (cause im not gonna tell them)

so whoever picks up my car... is gonna have a few free goodies anyway
my conscious is clean..


hell his car has almost triple the miles on it of mine...

we could be REALLY evil and swap rearends/tranmissions :D

How are you going to cover the EGR hole in the intake? You don't think they may notice this plug or notice an EGR system on a car that shouldn't have one?

its a easy swap u will just need to change the coolant lines with it to that run from head to head under the intake

How are you going to cover the EGR hole in the intake? You don't think they may notice this plug or notice an EGR system on a car that shouldn't have one?


yes... im actually betting very few people would notice that when looking under the hood..

most people knowledge of engines stops at how many cylinders it has... is a used car lot gonna know that i have an ls1 intake with an egr blockoff plate as oppose to a ls6 intake without a plate but otherwise identical? um probably not.

I have yet to find a lot that doesn't take it and let their or a mechanic look at it.

The real point is that its dishonest. Do you like to get shafted on a purchase? Probably not, so why do it to someone else? It isn't the lot that'll get the shaft in the end, its going to be the poor sucker who buys it like that. Maybe being in the Army will teach you a little about a thing called HONOR.

I have yet to find a lot that doesn't take it and let their or a mechanic look at it.

The real point is that its dishonest. Do you like to get shafted on a purchase? Probably not, so why do it to someone else? It isn't the lot that'll get the shaft in the end, its going to be the poor sucker who buys it like that. Maybe being in the Army will teach you a little about a thing called HONOR.

if a buyer is buying it to mod it he will notice its the wrong intake. i dont see anything wrong with swaping them its called buyer beware

I have yet to find a lot that doesn't take it and let their or a mechanic look at it.

The real point is that its dishonest. Do you like to get shafted on a purchase? Probably not, so why do it to someone else? It isn't the lot that'll get the shaft in the end, its going to be the poor sucker who buys it like that. Maybe being in the Army will teach you a little about a thing called HONOR.


:rolleyes:

Its called DISHONEST, any way you look at it.

It is no different than selling an LS1 intake w/out the EGR to someone who thought they were buying an LS6.

Its called DISHONEST, any way you look at it.

:rolleyes:

Ya, look at your sig. You should change it to "Need something installed from a guy who thinks its ok the shaft someone PM ME."

Do your little eye rolling smiley all you want. I'm not going to sugar coat it. Its wrong and you can't deny it can you? So just keep trying to justify it.

:rolleyes:

lol

Guys, like he said, he has mods on there that make the car better than stock. So what if he takes a part off it that brings it down a bit.

If you are buying used, you aren't guarenteed to be buying an OEM car.

Some people might call it dishonest to sell a car with 4.56s to a dealer, because the buyer might end up with a car that gets worse gas mileage than the car did stock. Do you think I should buy 3.42s before I sell the car and pay to have them installed? Am I dishonest if I don't?

You might think that these two cases aren't the same, but remember that not everyone wants to mod their cars, not everyone thinks that faster track times are more important than gas mileage, ride quality, lack of road noise, etc. Most people, in fact, probably wouldn't care, notice, etc. the difference between the intakes. Hell, if the LS1 intake happens to get better gas mileage, there would be people who would be happy.

The bottom line is this: It's his car, he can do what ever the hell he wants to it. Period.

If he sells it privately, he should definetly be honest about it, but I think that he should still swap the intakes if he wants to. If he wants to put a v6 in it, he can do that too.

considering I just spent 20 minutes on the phone today explaining to a dealership why their Trans Am was really a formula and they needed to fix the listing, I'm betting no they wouldn't notice the LS1 intake. Face it, unless you own one or know someone with one you won't know the difference.

Is it dishonest? Probably a little, but as said above, I just traded in a Mustang with 4:30's in the back, am I being dishonest because the next guy is going to get a car with worse gas mileage, or am I being cool because the next guy doesn't have to drop $500+ in a rear gear? All depends on how you look at it.

DISCLOSURE trumps dishonesty and honor. Just let the buyer know. It's a retrofit to an inferior part. Disclose it.

wow.... i think it is like this:

When bought my car i know exactly what the hell was going on with it.... I did reseach and i learned.... So the person that is going to buy your car should know about it and if he doesnt his sol since he is ignorant.

As for the place he trades it into:

Who cares if you screw corporate america because they screw us every day. I say do it man

Its not like hes putting heavy weight oil to cover up engine noises, or put saw dust in the rear to make it quiet. You are putting a perfectly good part on this car.

So did everybody who bought the 98-00 f bodys get ripped off because they didnt get the new intake? If the new buyer doesnt know what an LS6 intake is, or how to identify one, then they probably DONT CARE! Get a life guys.

Yes, I agree he can get away with it, under most circumstances. But, he is swapping out a part that a buyer can reasonably expect on an '02 WS6, and he is replacing it with an inferior part from an older car (because he can). That is dishonest. It has nothing to do with normal or even excessive wear and tear, which is to be expected on any used car.

It's a personal decision, and my guess is that the seller is having second thoughts about doing something so dishonest and that is why he posted.

But, he is swapping out a part that a buyer can reasonably expect on an '02 WS6, and he is replacing it with an inferior part from an older car (because he can). That is dishonest.

So is someone being dishonest if they replace the used Z rated factory tires with some $60 specials from tire rack? What about Altenators, starters, window motors, CD Players, or even non-GM wiper blades, ETC? According to most O'Reilly's/Autozone parts are inferior to GM... Now, I don't think a Intake is a replacement part, but if those things above are okay does a gray area exist? If so, where does the gray start and stop?

Yes, I agree he can get away with it, under most circumstances. But, he is swapping out a part that a buyer can reasonably expect on an '02 WS6, and he is replacing it with an inferior part from an older car (because he can). That is dishonest. It has nothing to do with normal or even excessive wear and tear, which is to be expected on any used car.

It's a personal decision, and my guess is that the seller is having second thoughts about doing something so dishonest and that is why he posted.


uh, no. ;)

So is someone being dishonest if they replace the used Z rated factory tires with some $60 specials from tire rack? What about Altenators, starters, window motors, CD Players, or even non-GM wiper blades, ETC? According to most O'Reilly's/Autozone parts are inferior to GM... Now, I don't think a Intake is a replacement part, but if those things above are okay does a gray area exist? If so, where does the gray start and stop?

Those are parts you EXPECT to wear and be replaced if even with inferior stuff. Same for brake pads.

While you're changing the intake why not change the injectors, clutch, rear...why not the whole drive train? Hey, lets just trade off the VIN tags and ECU and sell the 99 model as an 02! Its buyer beware and its ok to screw someone over just so you don't get caught right? See the difference yet? The question you should ask is, "Where does it end?"

I quarantee all of you that think its ok to switch intakes would be irate and ready to fight if your girlfriend, wife, or mother came home with a 01-02 f-body that they bought themself and you popped the hood to find it had an LS1 intake.

I agree w/Bert. DISCLOSURE is the key. Just mention it and go on. If you're up front about it is where I think it becomes buyer beware and it becomes the buyer's fault for not knowing the difference.

SWAP THE INTAKE!!!

It's not like he is misleading anyone. IT'S A USED CAR!!! Anyone expecting it to be JUST AS IT CAME from the factory is an IDIOT!!!

Used cars have all types of things replaced on them. Now if he was putting and LS1 intake on that was made WITHOUT the EGR hole AND TELLING THE BUYER IT WAS A LS6 intake THEN he would be dishonest.

Who takes a car to a dealer and points out everything wrong with it???? That burden is on the buyer, as it should be.

Now, if he is selling it to someone and claiming it has something it doesn't, that's different.

just happen to be changing both intake manifold gaskets at the same time, right next to each other and "by accident" mix them up, dishonest problem solved
The dealer probably wont notice, and even if they do they will own the car before they figure it out

So did everybody who bought the 98-00 f bodys get ripped off because they didnt get the new intake? If the new buyer doesnt know what an LS6 intake is, or how to identify one, then they probably DONT CARE! Get a life guys.

nicely stated

even if they do [notice] they will own the car before they figure it out



Wow, glad I've never bought anything from you. I noticed you posted this at nearly 1:00 am (my time atleast). I think I know why you can't sleep.

Ben

ok welll i dont really know what your talking about but anyways i wasnt trying to sleep, i just go home, i was tired though

He!!, I just wish there was a rental car place that rented 01-02 LS1 cars, WE WOULD ALL HAVE LS6 INTAKES :)!!!!

You will have to swap water lines, and you'll have to find someway to plug the EGR hole. Other than that, everything is pretty much the same.

He!!, I just wish there was a rental car place that rented 01-02 LS1 cars, WE WOULD ALL HAVE LS6 INTAKES :)!!!!

:D hahahhaha yes we all would

He!!, I just wish there was a rental car place that rented 01-02 LS1 cars, WE WOULD ALL HAVE LS6 INTAKES :)!!!!
That, and LS1 driveshafts ;)