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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 03:37 PM
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Health care reform being pushed by June 30th, could there be a strike?

I saw this article and thought that it fit here:


http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/14/news..._uaw/index.htm

General Motors Corp. is set to take unilateral action to reduce its health care expenses if it doesn't get concessions from the United Auto Workers union by the end of the month, according to a published report.

The Detroit News reported Tuesday that union officials are warning their members that they could face paying significantly more for health care coverage sooner rather than later.

"The writing's on the wall," Dave Peterson, president of Local 31 in Fairfax, Kan., told the newspaper. "Sooner or later we're going to be faced with not enjoying the level of benefits we've currently got. It's going to be sooner than we'd like."

GM (Research) Chairman and CEO Rick Wagoner told shareholders last week the company was in talks with the union on reducing its health care costs for both active union members and retirees, and that while it preferred to reach a cooperative deal with the union, it couldn't wait to get relief from health care expenses.

Wagoner also announced plans at that time to close an undisclosed number of plants and cut 25,000 union-represented positions at the auto manufacturer by the end of 2008.

UAW spokesman Paul Krell declined to comment to the News on what he called GM's "internal deadline." GM spokespeople also declined to comment on whether a deadline had been given to the union.

Union officials have repeatedly said they oppose making any changes that would require a reopening of the GM labor deal that runs through September 2007. But the News reports that under the existing national labor agreement, GM has some latitude to raise out-of-pocket health care expenses for current and retired workers, according to labor experts and analysts.

The newspaper reported that over the weekend, members of UAW Local 652 in Lansing, Mich., were told to expect increases to co-payments, deductibles, premiums or other out-of-pocket medical expenses, although no specifics have been revealed.


Some union officials told the newspaper that the union would fight any unilateral move by GM to cut health care expenses.

"That would be a big mistake," Oscar Bunch, president of UAW Local 14 in Toledo, Ohio, told the paper. "Remember Flint. It would be a drastic mistake."


Bunch was referring to a 53-day strike at a GM Flint metal fabricating plant and a Delphi parts plant there in 1998 that shut down the auto manufacturer's North American operations.

General Motors said that its union employees pay 7 percent of their annual health care costs, on average, while salaried workers such as managers are responsible for 27 percent.

Deutsche Bank auto analyst Rod Lache told the News that if hourly employees paid the same share of their health care costs as salaried GM staff, it would the company $2,500 per person and $300 million a year overall. But he said that may not be enough to help GM stem its rising health care costs.

"Unfortunately this equates to less than one year's health care inflation," he told the newspaper.
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 06:13 PM
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Yeah, 27% and they're bitching? Geeze. I would venture /alot/ of people not pay at least 50%. 7% is ludicrous.
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 06:42 PM
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Get the popcorn ready. This is gonna be good.
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 07:50 PM
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I'm amazed at how fast G.M. is pushing for this. I guess it's a matter of survival.
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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I'm amazed at how fast G.M. is pushing for this. I guess it's a matter of survival.
At the risk of borrowing this thread for a moment (not hi jacking it) I see you had a Mark VIII. How did you like it?

A guy down the street is selling his LSC, and I'm curious about how it performs with that 32 valve V8 and how it holds up.

As opposed to those run-forever V8 Mustangs and virturally indestructable SVTs, I noticed that high priced "luxury-performance" Fords repair bills tend to be through the roof (I have a Thunderbird SC, so I know ) but they tend to be a blast to drive very very fast, so they're almost worth it.

Very much worth it,at times.
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 08:55 PM
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Strikes have been discussed at length at a few Union meetings that I'm aware of. In agreeing with Guy, be sure to have plenty of cold ones in the fridge.
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 09:33 PM
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At the risk of borrowing this thread for a moment (not hi jacking it) I see you had a Mark VIII. How did you like it?

A guy down the street is selling his LSC, and I'm curious about how it performs with that 32 valve V8 and how it holds up.

As opposed to those run-forever V8 Mustangs and virturally indestructable SVTs, I noticed that high priced "luxury-performance" Fords repair bills tend to be through the roof (I have a Thunderbird SC, so I know ) but they tend to be a blast to drive very very fast, so they're almost worth it.

Very much worth it,at times.
Standard issues are:

1-2 accumulator piston has to be replaced (TSB) in pre 98 trannies
air bag leaks and compressor failures
chain tensioner rattle at startup
Non HID headlights useless (LSC's have HID's)
Valve spring breakage can be an issue but there are many with over 200,000 miles and still going strong, one on the boards with over 300,000 miles on the original engine.
Stock Sony CD changers are junk.
97-98 models have problems with blend door arm failure.
2 piece driveshaft needs to be replaced if you get steeper gears (early 93's had a one piece).

My 96 was smooth, my 94 a bit more rough around the edges when I got it, but bone stock with the tranny slipping my 94 ran 15.04 at 94.79. There are people running well into the 14's at 96-97 bone dead stock, and when my car gets out of the shop this week I will try to improve upon these numbers. I love the car, prices are really cheap and you get a lot for your money.

The LSC of course has 3.27 gears instead of the stock 3.07 in the base and neither has a T-lok. Stock top speed for the LSC is 124 and 130 for the base. A chip will remove the limiter and it will do 155 easily. The LSC also as I mentioned has HID's, almost no chrome and perforated seats along with a performance tuned suspension.
People with just gears have been running low 14's. There are a lot of parts cars on Ebay so getting parts is not very difficult nor very expensive if you know where to look. Replacing the airbags is an easy half hour job, and the struts are fairly cheap at $150 each for the fronts, $79 each for the back. There are also spring conversion kits for $349 out there now.

What year LSC and what is the asking price and mileage?

Check out this forum:

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/forum.php

BlackIceLSC is an expert with these cars and the administrator has one of the fastest Mark VIII's in the country and his own shop.
Old Jun 14, 2005 | 09:37 PM
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Re: Health care reform being pushed by June 30th, could there be a strike?

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Strikes have been discussed at length at a few Union meetings that I'm aware of. In agreeing with Guy, be sure to have plenty of cold ones in the fridge.
So it might get ugly fairly quickly? A little insight from the insiders as to what is coming in the next few weeks would be nice, expecially with G.M. apparently wanting to play hardball.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 07:13 AM
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So it might get ugly fairly quickly? A little insight from the insiders as to what is coming in the next few weeks would be nice, expecially with G.M. apparently wanting to play hardball.
Well, a few plants have been running on 9 or 10 hours a day for the past few weeks. I'm guessing to build inventory levels for such a move from the UAW.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:20 AM
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I would think a strike would have to be "all or none". If one or two plants strike while others do not it would make plant closing decisions much easier.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 10:50 AM
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I'm getting the popcorn ready too...this is going to get VERY interesting...much sooner than I anticipated, as well.
Old Jun 16, 2005 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scott9050
Standard issues are:

1-2 accumulator piston has to be replaced (TSB) in pre 98 trannies
air bag leaks and compressor failures
chain tensioner rattle at startup
Non HID headlights useless (LSC's have HID's)
Valve spring breakage can be an issue but there are many with over 200,000 miles and still going strong, one on the boards with over 300,000 miles on the original engine.
Stock Sony CD changers are junk.
97-98 models have problems with blend door arm failure.
2 piece driveshaft needs to be replaced if you get steeper gears (early 93's had a one piece).

My 96 was smooth, my 94 a bit more rough around the edges when I got it, but bone stock with the tranny slipping my 94 ran 15.04 at 94.79. There are people running well into the 14's at 96-97 bone dead stock, and when my car gets out of the shop this week I will try to improve upon these numbers. I love the car, prices are really cheap and you get a lot for your money.

The LSC of course has 3.27 gears instead of the stock 3.07 in the base and neither has a T-lok. Stock top speed for the LSC is 124 and 130 for the base. A chip will remove the limiter and it will do 155 easily. The LSC also as I mentioned has HID's, almost no chrome and perforated seats along with a performance tuned suspension.
People with just gears have been running low 14's. There are a lot of parts cars on Ebay so getting parts is not very difficult nor very expensive if you know where to look. Replacing the airbags is an easy half hour job, and the struts are fairly cheap at $150 each for the fronts, $79 each for the back. There are also spring conversion kits for $349 out there now.

What year LSC and what is the asking price and mileage?

Check out this forum:

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/forum.php

BlackIceLSC is an expert with these cars and the administrator has one of the fastest Mark VIII's in the country and his own shop.
It's a 96 or 97 (I think) that he's letting go for about 4 grand! It has the typical Ford paint fade, and HID lights in the front and a neon tail light .

I refurbished an SC that I bought when someone got fed up with the repair costs, and virturally gave the car away. I'm considering selling it now that it's a 210K mile car that looks like a 45K mile one, and getting something else to play with, or start planning to redo the Camaro now that it's hitting 160K.

Thanks for the info. I'll e-mail you with other questions before someone accuses me of hijacking the thread.
Old Jun 16, 2005 | 02:05 PM
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It's a 96 or 97 (I think) that he's letting go for about 4 grand! It has the typical Ford paint fade, and HID lights in the front and a neon tail light .
If it has the neon it's a 97, and at 4 grand it's a great price. The only major problem with it is the blend door arm in them breaks, but there is a step by step article on how to replace it on the web, and you can adjust it manually from the glove box.

I refurbished an SC that I bought when someone got fed up with the repair costs, and virturally gave the car away. I'm considering selling it now that it's a 210K mile car that looks like a 45K mile one, and getting something else to play with, or start planning to redo the Camaro now that it's hitting 160K.

Thanks for the info. I'll e-mail you with other questions before someone accuses me of hijacking the thread.
Don't wory about it, they are great cars with a lot of potential, though the gen II's are a hair slower than the gen I's due to the more restrictive intake.
Old Jun 16, 2005 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by scott9050
If it has the neon it's a 97, and at 4 grand it's a great price. The only major problem with it is the blend door arm in them breaks, but there is a step by step article on how to replace it on the web, and you can adjust it manually from the glove box.



Don't wory about it, they are great cars with a lot of potential, though the gen II's are a hair slower than the gen I's due to the more restrictive intake.
The Gen II Marks?
Old Jun 16, 2005 | 06:20 PM
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The Gen II Marks?
93-96's are Gen I's, 97-98 are gen II's.

1993 to 1996's look like this:

http://auto.consumerguide.com/images...5151990219.JPG

1997-1998 look like this:

http://www.theautochannel.com/media/...ark_viii-1.jpg

If you look on Ebay you can see the differences in the interiors and engines as well in the ads.



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