96formula Ram Air A4 Vs Ls1 Auto?

well my father just stepped into the Lt1 family with a 96 firebird formula ram air a4 WS6 car he just bought the other day. Its an awsome car, it has a borla catback (tuneable) some accel 300+ ignition box and its a factory GU5 car with selectable 1st gear as well. i was just wondering if he would have it good with the LS1s? i know i non ram air LS1 is rated at 305hp as well as the ram air LT1 cars such as my fathers. so would it make sence that he would be a good run on an LT1? what would his car be likle 1/4mile,0-60 times and such? im sure hed destroy my 94z and 94 formula so we arent going even to go there :p thanks for the input....mike

Its a high 13 low 14 second car...really no faster then any other LT1 w/ the same gearing, so he will likely not destroy your other LT1s, actually you have the same amount of chance of beating him as he has of beating you ....A good running LS1 will walk him hard in the higher rpms(there more like 350 hp at the flywheel, there greatly underated, Usually dynoin in the 290-320 rwhp area as opposed to the LT1 putting down 230-260ish in stock form). btw ws6/ss package is more of an apperance package then an actual horsepower adder, they usually dyno and run identical to there base models.

and its a factory GU5 car with selectable 1st gear as well. All that means is that it came w/ the performance axle which is the 323 gear ratio...all a4 ss/ws6's came w/ this package, the option was also available in the base models.

Regardless of what he has, race him. It will be close either way, and a lot of fun. :)

ya i cant wait to see the car run, he bought it out of OHIO last week (we live in buffalo) and he hasnt really driven it since he brought it home. He got got in the snow in it and just parked it in the driveway and hasnt started it since. Acctually when he bought the car it had factory 16s on it, but the RPO code ,and the little badge on the bumper that says WS6 so it should have 17s. ironically enough he just took off to jersey like 2hours ago to buy some WS6 wheels off a guy i met on cz28.com. ya so n e way i thought we where close with the #S ram airlt1s to ls1s but i guess not, what makes an Ls1 so much faster up top?

what makes an Ls1 so much faster up top?Basically the heads...they flow much better from the factory

oohhh i see, so is it safe to assume that an lt1 would need a set of heads that flow as good as an ls1 to perform as good as one? gears (373) and a cai wouldnt do it ???? :D

Essentially, the LS1 out performs the LT1 because it is a newer motor. Things such as lighter weight, better ignition system, and better heads makes the LS1 superior to the lt1. Hell,i drive an LT1 and i have seen what LS1 do to LT1's :cry: . However, dont count your fathers car out too quickly, seeing that from a dig he might pull a car on you because of the nature of the torque curve on an LT1 and he may keep that car up to about 80mph but after that, i give the nod to your car. ;)

assumeing my car was an LS1, i was saying theoretically :D (SP?) im sure hed take my pair of 94LT1a4s no prob :o

oohhh i see, so is it safe to assume that an lt1 would need a set of heads that flow as good as an ls1 to perform as good as one? Yea,but then you start modding the LS1 and your back to square one. Both are pretty inexpensive nowadays as far as mods go.

gears (373) and a cai wouldnt do it ???? :DMaybe some automatic cars, but not many...generally the LT1 needs all the bolt ons and some decent gearing to hang....even then the LS1 is likely to pull uptop especially 6spds

ya i guess ill admit defeat by the almighty LS1 before i even waste my gas lol, i thought i had somehting for a minute though, i mean if ya think about it roughly 14flat for most stock lt1s vs the 13.3s in the LS1s, im thinking 7tenths isnt to hard to come up with but as we all know it sounds good on paper, never quite works that way :irk:

7 tenths is almost a year in drag racing :)

Longtubes/CAI/Catback/Tune and better than 2.73 gears would put you into LS1 country. The races will be a bit more competative then.

-Dustin-

I dont know about you guys, but i roll Ls1's all the time.

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Besides the head design, one of the other major factors in power difference is the exhaust design. the ex. manifolds on LT1's are the most restrictive design I have ever seen on any vehicle. The LS1 manifolds are more like shorty headers.

im sure hed take my pair of 94LT1a4s no prob :oNo he wouldn't. Just because it's a ws6 does not mean it's fast. They run pretty much the same times as any other stock LT1.

My bro raced an LS1 A4 from a slow roll, he has a 93 LT1, with 100k on it, mac mids, catback, CAI, and a chip........and he won by a car I believe. The LS1 was stock and an auto.........probably had bad gearing (2.73) I bet. My car however, ROMPS all over him, it's not even funny......

LS1=GOD remember that people!!!!! The LS1 fought Godzilla (beat him) then the LS1 defeated God and therefore it is god now. Is this all coming back to memory?

TONY

LS1=GOD remember that people!!!!! The LS1 fought Godzilla (beat him) then the LS1 defeated God and therefore it is god now. Is this all coming back to memory?

TONY
Is anyone else sick of these comments? Dont they piss anyone else off? :mad:

LS1 is a beter engine..period..Get over it!

To answer your question ..No , the LS1 will beat the Ram Air LT1.

No he wouldn't. Just because it's a ws6 does not mean it's fast. They run pretty much the same times as any other stock LT1.
Aint that the truth. There is this guy with a 97SS that runs 14.5 and he kept getting whopped bye his friends car, a 95Z bone stock running 14.1 consistantly. The SS even had half the miles and a borla exhaust.

One of my best friends Bought his 3rd LT1" 97 ram air WS6" and was mad because it didnt run any better then his other 2 . It was actually slower then his 94Z28Camaro.

Now he owns an 2002 WS6 LS1 :D

Ram air is better looking then anything. I noticed very little diff when I stepped up to ram air.

but i dont understand, how couldnt there be adifference between a ram air car and a non ram air car, i mean ram air blows away any cold air system on the market, it has to be worth something :confused: not to mention the WS.6's wider 17x9s would hook better than 16x8s and wouldnt the WS.6 suspention be tighter for better off the line performance? (wheel hop ect...)

i mean ram air blows away any cold air system on the market,

No. A lot of guys actually ditch the ram air setup and go with a CAI.

LS1=GOD remember that people!!!!! The LS1 fought Godzilla (beat him) then the LS1 defeated God and therefore it is god now. Is this all coming back to memory?

TONY

Compared to your 99 mph turd, LS1 IS god as far as you're concerned. :)

Compared to your 99 mph turd, LS1 IS god as far as you're concerned. :)
Thats what im sayin...99MPH compared to 108 :D

Ya dude with a 99 trap with all those mods you have a real turd on your hands...............I have 115k on my 99 auto and trap an easy 6mph faster ha ha ha ha LSWON'S SUCK

Nothing wrong with an lt1 at all, but the ls1 is a better, more efficient, more powerful, and has more potential..............its called PROGRESS.

My bro raced an LS1 A4 from a slow roll, he has a 93 LT1, with 100k on it, mac mids, catback, CAI, and a chip........and he won by a car I believe. The LS1 was stock and an auto.........probably had bad gearing (2.73) I bet. My car however, ROMPS all over him, it's not even funny......


i beat a 2.73 auto ls1 from a 1rst gear roll in my old 93, i also didn't have any trouble beating a couple at the track

but i dont understand, how couldnt there be adifference between a ram air car and a non ram air car, i mean ram air blows away any cold air system on the market, it has to be worth something :confused: not to mention the WS.6's wider 17x9s would hook better than 16x8s and wouldnt the WS.6 suspention be tighter for better off the line performance? (wheel hop ect...)
1: A ram air system does not blow away all cold air systems. In fact, a lot of ram air peope ditch it for a nice cai.
2: It depends on the tire size to know what would hook better. If the widths of the tires are equal, the 16" wheel and tire combo is normally better for drag racing because of a bigger sidewall on the tire.
3: A tighter suspension is worse for drag racing.

Pretty much the only advantages of having an SS or WS6 car is the improved looks and the handling.

i beat a 2.73 auto ls1 from a 1rst gear roll in my old 93, i also didn't have any trouble beating a couple at the track
M6? I beat a few LS1 auto's from a roll in first in My LT1 but my lead never lasted long. When they wound out I ended up getting past up.But My LT1 was an M6.