What is the performace difference between 1997 Z28 vs. 1999 Z28

I was looking over the numbers, and a 1997 Z28 has 285hp and 325 torque.
The 1999 Z28 has 305 hp and 335 torque.

Is this going to give the 1999 much of a performace difference vs the 1997?

Well maybe this is a better question, what would a stock A4 1997 Z28 run in the quater mile.

And what would the 1999 Z28 stock A4 run in the quarter?

I use the A4 for comparison and there are many more autos than sticks.


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Forget what GM says they make, they're underrated.

The LT1 probably makes about 300 HP/350 FT-LBS. at the motor

The LS1 probably makes about 350 HP/370 FT-LBS. at the motor

With a killer driver inside both cars, I would say 13.8@102 for the LT1 and 13.1@107 for the '99, both A4s.

Go to gmhightechperformance.com. On the home page they'll let you view a series of articles they did on a "stock" 99 or 98 Trans Am A4 that did 12's with a little work. I've read articles in other magazines that show dyno #s at the rear wheels of 303hp on a completely stock ls1 car. Assuming a 15% loss through the drivetrain the 350hp at the motor is more like it. Most lt1 cars seem to be closer to 245-250 at the wheels.

Trying doing a search for "LT1 vs LS1" on this board (lots of threads about it) and "LS1 1/4 mile" or "LT1 1/4 mile".......something like that......see what you find. This has been discussed time and time again.

As a rule, I'd say that most A4 LT1's (LT1 being the motor in the '97) are good for mid-low 14's stock, and most A4 LS1's (LS1 in '98+) are mid-low 13's (see my sig.......13.4~ish is actually quite common:thumb: ).

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I was looking over the numbers, and a 1997 Z28 has 285hp and 325 torque.
The 1999 Z28 has 305 hp and 335 torque.

Is this going to give the 1999 much of a performace difference vs the 1997?

Well maybe this is a better question, what would a stock A4 1997 Z28 run in the quater mile.

And what would the 1999 Z28 stock A4 run in the quarter?

I use the A4 for comparison and there are many more autos than sticks.


Thanks

ignore GM horsepower ratings...in the case of both LT1s and LS1s (though WAY more in the LS1 case) they are far from accurate...

as was said, a stock LT1 will put out around 295 hp at the flywheel while an LS1 is right around 345...the difference is pretty significant. GM used to handicap the f-bodies to keep the corvette power numbers looking good, though the difference was mostly just on paper....

here's an example of an LS1 vs. LT1 drag race...(assume bone stock cars with the same transmission)

1st gear - LT1 will likely jump out to a slight lead (1 car or less)
2nd gear - LS1 will have at least pulled even and will likely be slightly ahead...
3rd gear - LS1 will pull considerably on LT1, multiple car lengths...

basing 97 vs 99 the torque from the 97 is where you would see the power on the low end.. but LT1s being the pain they are, I would rather go for an LS1 anyday..

The newer the better.. for engine life and for the diffferent factory changes made.. Such as the 01-02's...

Yeah, i raced a 97 Z when my car was stock and so was the other guys. We both had a Stick, so there is your control there, and we were both decent drivers. He pulled me off the line so my front bumper was on his back bumper, then i hit second and passed him and beat him by a car or two. So you can see where their torque is, way down low around 2 grand, and an ls1 around 3200 and up. there is alot more top end on the ls1, however, if you plan on doing alot of mods or forced induction, the LT1 is cast iron, and it seems to me like it could handle more, i may be wrong though.

im glad to hear i had around 350 horsepower stock. woohoo.

I went from a 1997 Z28 (M6, 3.42) to a 2002 Z28 (A4, 2.73)

The LS1 is 8mph and 9 tenths faster in the 1/4 mile

From my experience, newer is usually better. Both motor are great but I think the ls1 is a step up from the LT1. You going to see more off the line, low end torque with the LT1.

The Ls1 has a larger, but higher power band, from about 2500RPM all the way up. And your aboiut 200 lbs. lighter.

You do a LS1 A4 with a 3500 stall and you'll be running ahead of 90% of the cars on the road. Either way they're both great motors.

The Lt1 was a great motor (especially for FI), but the LS1 in the same platform should be worth .5 second with all things equal.

There is an easy 50 HP difference between the 2 . I raced a six speed LT1 with headers and gears running thrue a cutout while I was stock . It was dead even thrue first " Him being geared and having headers " after that , I left him BADLY . at the track I have beaten many of them .9 tenths of a second on average and about 9MPH higher on the traps on average .

I have owned 2 LT1's and My LS1 . And its a different world with these cars .

simple answer
about a second:)

Don't forget that the LS1 is much lighter than the LT1. Also the motor is further back than the LT1, better for distribution, but SUCKS for plugs and wires! :mad:

It's all prefrence and pocket book. I bought my 97 when i was 16.. it was what i could afford. Also liked the front end better. My friend just bought a 99 WS6. When i'm in the car, his top end is just crazy fast. But if i had to do it again i would still pick my car.. why you ask? Well parts are cheaper.. more are known about what goes wrong and how to fix it, and after first and i'm a car ahead already, that 100 shot just sends me sailin if i want it to. :metal:

Don't forget that the LS1 is much lighter than the LT1. Also the motor is further back than the LT1, better for distribution, but SUCKS for plugs and wires! :mad:
Much lighter ? Not really.....50 pounds lighter . Thats about it . as far as the engnie being back farther , what does that have to do with anything ? Its not farther back to make any kind of a difference on anything .

My old '97 Z28 ran 13.86@101.68 (http://chuckb.1le.net/archive/past_cars/images/stock_lt1.jpg) on a cool night, bone stock.

I replaced that with a '98 1LE Z28 that ran 13.21@108.29 (http://chuckb.1le.net/racing/drag/1321.jpg) all stock.

Next was my '01 T/A, which with the only mod being 17x9 Firehawk wheels shod with 275/40/17 Nitto 555RII road race tires on all four corners ran a 12.97@108.4 (http://chuckb.1le.net/01_trans_am/images/1297_108_hallsville_0202.jpg).

You're going to see more off the line, low end torque with the LT1.


Not sure If I 100% agree with that.
All dyno graphs, and data I have seen on this issue have showed the LS1 making more torque at all points: RPM vs. same RPM when compared against an LT1, all things equal.

The LT1 does however "Feel" much meaner down low.
I have owned two LT1 cars and can vouch for the low end feeling of those cars.

EVERY normal(non-heavly modded) LS1 i take off the line, no problem.. and i have wheel hop. happens on the road, happens at the track.

EVERY normal(non-heavly modded) LS1 i take off the line, no problem.. and i have wheel hop. happens on the road, happens at the track.

K&N,B&B Tri Flo cat back,NX Wet Kit 100 Shot, TR6's Trans Go shiftkit,2800 stall,3.42's

No big surprise there :rolleyes:

The engine is further back? Unless the transmission is shorter, I'm not sure how that can happen.

Fill me in.

I *think* the reason the LT1 feels so much stronger down low is throttle response, and not real power. The twin 48mm blades will provide crisp response compared to the single blade 65 the LS1 uses.

And I also think that plugs are easier to change on an LS1, and that the LT1 sounds 100% better.

Rob, ONLY 50 pouds? Have you ever tried to remove 50lb from your motor? Also, he said diff in perf, I take that means all perf. The motor sitting back helps the distribution for autox and road racing.

Sorry Robvas, I dont know how, but the motor is farther back over the front wheels.

I am confused as to how the LS1 motor sits further back...
Maybe lower in the engine bay, but they both Hug the firewall pretty close.

Rob, ONLY 50 pouds? Have you ever tried to remove 50lb from your motor? Also, he said diff in perf, I take that means all perf. The motor sitting back helps the distribution for autox and road racing.50 pounds will not give your car a performance edge over another car . You would not even gain a tenth with a 50 pound reduction from a stock car . takes about 100 pounds minmum to gain a tenth . So , yeah , thats what I said , 50 pounds only . I never said " Its not hard to lose 50 pd's on your engine " Thats wasnt the point I was trying to make .
As far as the engine sitting back farther . I dont think it is back far enough to make any difference about anything . I could be wrong , but It isnt back much farther at all .

K&N,B&B Tri Flo cat back,NX Wet Kit 100 Shot, TR6's Trans Go shiftkit,2800 stall,3.42's

No big surprise there :rolleyes:
hehe thats without the 100 shot :), and it was the same when i just had the catback

EVERY normal(non-heavly modded) LS1 i take off the line, no problem.. and i have wheel hop. happens on the road, happens at the track.
Ok, let's line 'em up!!;)

Ok, let's line 'em up!!;)I was thinking the same thing . I have never ever been beat off the line bye An LT1 . Even the geared ones I have raced when I was stock didnt take me off the line .

well i took my friends 99 a4 off the line, i'll beat him to 60, then he'll starting taking me... 60-90 it's over.. unless i spray

in addition to that i don't know... last year at the Camaroz28.com nationals i think my best was a 13.6 w/o spray.... so yeah when ever you want to run it'll be a blast :-) always up for a good race :) i mean thats why we own em :metal:


edit: and i was just readin your 60 foots.. i pulled a 1.9 60 on streets.. god i love stanton.... But don't get me wrong, i love LS1's they are mean cars :bow: .. but i'm just a poor college kid payin every penny :)

in addition to that i don't know... last year at the Camaroz28.com nationals i think my best was a 13.6 w/o spray.... so yeah when ever you want to run it'll be a blast :-) always up for a good race :) i mean thats why we own em :metal:


edit: and i was just readin your 60 foots.. i pulled a 1.9 60 on streets.. god i love stanton.... But don't get me wrong, i love LS1's they are mean cars :bow: .. but i'm just a poor college kid payin every penny :)
I wish to go d I could pull those kinda sixties.....Id be a happy mo-fo . I cant floor my car without it breaking free from a roll . And the LT1 after I geared it could white smoke the tires from a roll at 2k..No popping of the clutch needed .
My LT1 car had 3:23's in it with a six speed " its a 95 " It had supercharger on it before I owned it and that thing still ran a 13.92 with 3:23's on street tires BONE STOCK ..I was a shfting fool in that thing though . So , yeah , LT's can still put down the thunder. 13.6 is respectable .

FWIW, the best 60' time I ever got was running on my street tires, with the 4.10's, and after doing a burn-out with the linelock, and I got 1.92 :). I really need a stall converter, 'cause I'd probably be cutting ~1.6's - 1.7's!!?:rolleyes: (guessing;)).

EVERY normal(non-heavly modded) LS1 i take off the line, no problem.. and i have wheel hop. happens on the road, happens at the track.

lol of course you do, you're modded. "normal" ls-1 will have a catback and a lid/K&N.

and it was the same when i just had the catback
so normal or equal would be an ls1 with a cat back :D