SRT-4 vs. Vette C5

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The SRT-4 stayed closer than what I would've thought it could.

lol....."Stage 1".....stoooopid ricers

Originally posted by Ramune
The SRT-4 stayed closer than what I would've thought it could. You'd be amazed. Every C5 I run (at least on a roll) can't shake me. I'll stay on their tail all the way to 120 before I abort.

Originally posted by Tair
lol....."Stage 1".....stoooopid ricers Stage 1 (http://www.mopar.com/srt_stage_1.htm) is a Mopar upgrade for SRT-4s. Easily worth the $400 they charge for it. Has nothing to do with "ricers" as you would put it.

Originally posted by Big Red Jim
Stage 1 (http://www.mopar.com/srt_stage_1.htm) is a Mopar upgrade for SRT-4s. Easily worth the $400 they charge for it. Has nothing to do with "ricers" as you would put it.

Agreed. Some people on this site, Tair included throw around the term "Ricer" completely out of context. Ignorant people call 'Maro drivers mulletheads, are you a mullethead, Tair?

There is no way the C5 was using his 100 shot of nitrous.

Looks more like the stock C5 vs the stage-1 SRT-4.

Stock SRT-4's are not slow, but even with stage 1 they aren't going to keep up with a M6 C5.

Correct me if I'm wrong Big Red Jim, but stock SRT4's run about 13.8-14.0@100-102

Stock C5 is 13.1@109

I'm pretty sure stage 1 doesn't get the SRT4 to those times.

Dan

Looked like the C5's bottle was closed.

Originally posted by stereomandan
There is no way the C5 was using his 100 shot of nitrous.

Looks more like the stock C5 vs the stage-1 SRT-4.

Stock SRT-4's are not slow, but even with stage 1 they aren't going to keep up with a M6 C5.

Correct me if I'm wrong Big Red Jim, but stock SRT4's run about 13.8-14.0@100-102

Stock C5 is 13.1@109

I'm pretty sure stage 1 doesn't get the SRT4 to those times.

Dan

Exactly. A stage 1 SRT-4 beats me by a couple of carlengths with my old times in the sig. A stock C5 driven well would pound a Stage 1 SRT-4.

Originally posted by stereomandan
There is no way the C5 was using his 100 shot of nitrous.Agreed. That C5 was not on the can for this run, it would have been much uglier.


Originally posted by stereomandan
Correct me if I'm wrong Big Red Jim, but stock SRT4's run about 13.8-14.0@100-102You are spot on. I went 13.9@101, and I'm a fairly decent driver. From a roll it's much closer, for a couple reasons.

1) Traction, obviously, but also
2) SRT-4s from the factory have limited boost in first gear. (Only 8psi vs. 15-17 in other gears) This gives the deception that the car is not that great from roll, when it's actually their strong suit.

From a dig my friend's 00 M6 C5 gets me pretty good, but from a roll he only manages to pull 2 lengths from 60-100.

Originally posted by Steve Y
A stock C5 driven well would pound a Stage 1 SRT-4. If ~.3 and 4mph is a pounding, I guess you're right. But it's much closer than Vette owners would like to admit.

cool video.


srt-4s are fast cars when modded.some are very fast.

Not to mention the "Stage 2" (insert laughter here for those so inclined) runs 12.9 @ 108, costing $1400, warranty fully intact. Total you've spent mabe $23-24k - still a bargain to me.

Yes, I have to agree that the SRT-4's are a great bang for the buck.

The only guy I've met who had one had already broken both of his front axles. He was only trapping 105, and that happened, they can be made pretty quick with not much money. I'm not trying to slam the car, it's just my only hands on experience with one. All cars have their weak points, like for us it's the rear end.

It's a personal preference thing though. I could never see myself driving one, but I don't think they are butt ugly either.

Being FWD, they run into problems if they ever would want to go REAL fast. Getting off the line will turn into a problem. FWD is also not the best for road racing or autox, but they can hold their own to a certain point.

Dan

Originally posted by Big Red Jim
If ~.3 and 4mph is a pounding, I guess you're right. But it's much closer than Vette owners would like to admit.


Average stock C5 6-speed hardtop runs low 13s at 110ish. Average SRT-4 Stage 1 runs high 13s at 103ish. A lot more of a difference than .3 and 4 mph.

Originally posted by Steve Y
Average stock C5 6-speed hardtop runs low 13s at 110ish. Average SRT-4 Stage 1 runs high 13s at 103ish. A lot more of a difference than .3 and 4 mph. I disagree. A stage 1 SRT4 should be running mid 13's @104-105. Hell, I'm going 13.9@101 bone stock.

The AVERAGE C5 does not trap 110. I don't know what planet you're getting that number by, but I'm going by the C5's I've actually raced. How many C5's have you run in an SRT-4? :think:

I've seen a lot more 105-106 mph traps from a C5 than 110+.

Originally posted by Big Red Jim
I disagree. A stage 1 SRT4 should be running mid 13's @104-105.

And a stock C5 should be running high 12s at 110ish. Most SRT-4s with the Stage 1 run high 13s at 103ish.

Originally posted by Big Red Jim

The AVERAGE C5 does not trap 110.

I have raced a few in something much slower than a M6 C5 and I spanked them in my Lightning. Now they are hunting C5's...not the pig auto's with 2.73, but the M6 C5's...**** is getting thick around here.

Originally posted by CANTONRACER
I have raced a few in something much slower than a M6 C5 and I spanked them in my Lightning. Sounds like you met up against a few guys who flat out can't drive. An SRT-4 would put up a good fight for an L, and should stay dead even or better from a roll. I'll gladly run you in mine and post the video.

Regarding the **** getting thick, I was referring to a Stage 1 SRT-4 not being that far behind, not a stock SRT-4.

I raced a 2004 SRT-4. He ran a 14.5's@99 vs my 13.90@102. He got it down to 14.1's@99 driving the balls off it, but I also got my Lightning down to 13.5's@102 the same night just by working on my 60'. Could he have ran better given the track and weather, sure, but so would my Lightning.

The only thing a SRT-4 being stock could even hope for is we start from 120 MPH or faster.

You would need a Stage I to stay with my Lightning. But I think it would only be fair that I "Stage I" my Lightning then..if there is such a thing...

I've been at the track on nights where L's were running 13.6@102. I was going 13.9@101. 14.1@99 is not driving the balls off of an SRT-4. Even the clowns at Car and Driver went. 13.8@102, faster than myself.

Every L I've raced from a roll is pretty much dead even, with me pulling away eventually as aerodynamics favor me.

Do you go 13.9@101 every night? Weather has no effect on you? Traction has no effect on you?

For all you know, this guys might run a 13.7@102 at your track. To assume that he was not driving his car to full potential is an assumption that you have no way of proving. Way to many variables just to see a ET/MPH and make that call. For all you know, my Lightning might run a 13.2@104 at your track?

Originally posted by CANTONRACER
Weather has no effect on you? Pretty much, yeah. The PCM adjusts its tune based on weather. I see anywhere from 3-4 psi more in the summer than in winter. The car is designed to make the same power regardless of ambient temps. Therefore, I can eliminate that variable. The only major one left is the driver. And I can state that he was not driving it to his potential with a fairly high degree of confidence.

And yes, I do go 13.9 pretty much every night I'm at the track. Not on every run (I may botch a launch here and there, I'm certainly not perfect), but many I do.

Originally posted by CANTONRACER
The only thing a SRT-4 being stock could even hope for is we start from 120 MPH or faster. Interesting you say this here, but over on SRTforums you said:

First one on the h-way, dont know which year it was though, went around him pretty easy and I he had a surprised look on his face. I chalk beating him so easy on driver.So are you agreeing with me now that a good driver could keep up with you from a roll? (don't give me that 120+ ****, I'm talking about a 20mph roll)

Let me start off by saying that I know absolutely nothing about the srt4. With that said, your post I'm quoting is completely the opposite of how a turbo car responds to weather. In the winter, the cold air cools your intercooler much better than hot summer air. In the winter time, my Z has a hard time staying below 18 psi even with the boost controller set to 15 psi. In the summer, I'm hard pressed to hit 18 psi no matter the boost controller setting. I simply can't understand how you gain boost in the summer?? It's unheard of. In 82 degree heat my car made 322 rwhp. In 57 degrees, it made 341 rwhp. I don't see anyway that PCM tuning can make your intercooler as efficient in 90 degree weather as it is in 40 degree weather? What am I missing?

I'm not calling bs on you or anything stupid like that, but I've owned 2 sc'd vettes, 2 twin turbo supras, 2 turbo z's, a 99 L, and a sc'd frontier....so I have lot's of experience with forced induction....and everything I've experienced is the exact opposite of what you said.

Jason
Originally posted by Big Red Jim
Pretty much, yeah. The PCM adjusts its tune based on weather. I see anywhere from 3-4 psi more in the summer than in winter. The car is designed to make the same power regardless of ambient temps. Therefore, I can eliminate that variable. The only major one left is the driver. And I can state that he was not driving it to his potential with a fairly high degree of confidence.

And yes, I do go 13.9 pretty much every night I'm at the track. Not on every run (I may botch a launch here and there, I'm certainly not perfect), but many I do.

Originally posted by yellavette
Let me start off by saying that I know absolutely nothing about the srt4. And that's why everything following this sentance here does not apply. Like I said, the PCM adjusts the tune for the weather. Hot and sticky? The PCM gives you more boost, to make the same level of power that it would with cooler, more dense air. Cold outside? PCM limits boost. In winter I see spikes of 12-13 psi at the most. In the summer, I see spikes to 17psi.

Sound backwards? Yeah, because my Mustang gains boost as it gets colder too. But my Mustang does not have a PCM controlling boost levels like the SRT-4 does.

P.S. - the stock intercooler will support over 450whp, so the efficiency doesn't really change anything at stock power levels.

Originally posted by Big Red Jim
And that's why everything following this sentance here does not apply. Like I said, the PCM adjusts the tune for the weather. Hot and sticky? The PCM gives you more boost, to make the same level of power that it would with cooler, more dense air. Cold outside? PCM limits boost. In winter I see spikes of 12-13 psi at the most. In the summer, I see spikes to 17psi.

Sound backwards? Yeah, because my Mustang gains boost as it gets colder too. But my Mustang does not have a PCM controlling boost levels like the SRT-4 does.

P.S. - the stock intercooler will support over 450whp, so the efficiency doesn't really change anything at stock power levels.

That makes more sense. Your PCM is basically a hands off boost controller. What doesn't make a lot of sense is that it's limiting your boost in the winter....since the air is cooler and the intercooler is being cooled better, you'll get more hp from your boost than you will in the summer (your charge is going to be much cooler in the winter)....so limiting it doesn't make sense unless the injectors can't provide enough fuel for the extra power....like me....I detonate in the winter but not summer (a fuel issue, not a heat one) In turn, raising the boost in the summer would lend itself more to detonation...although it makes sense to do so since power is down due to heat.

I don't think I worded the intercooler thing right. What I was getting at is that 40 degree air is going to cool your IC much better than 90 degree air and, in turn, make more power regardless of the size, volume or efficiency of your IC.

Jason

Yes, I beating him so easily was I figure the driver...but good driver or not, I still would have went around him, just not so easily.

I raced a 04 SRT-4 from a stop. It had Stage 1 mods. It also had a blow off valve(not sure if that is stage 1 also). He was already reving his engine up ready to launch while i was still approaching the light. I was pressing the break getting ready to stop the car when the light turned green and he took off. So he got the jump on me. We raced all the way up to 105 when we both shut down. I started to pull slightly up top. But he got the lead from the start since i wasn't ready to go and he ended up with almost a car length on me. This was before i had my LT's. The guy is a good driver also.