sub frames

hey i have a red underbody neon kit on my car right know will i be able to in stall sub frame conectors and keep my neons on as well?

has any one done this?

plus do the sub frame conectors really work?

i also read something that if you jack up the front passanger side on your camaro after haveing the sub frame connectors on that 3 wheels will go up in the air? what does this have a purpose for?


kyle

you might need to reposition your neons, but yes you can have both


yes subframe connectors really work, your question about three of the wheels lifting leads me to believe that you don't actually understand what the subframe connectors are doing.

your car right now has a substantial amount of flex in it, as you corner or jack the car up, the body of the car physically twists and bends, jacking up a corner of the car you will notice that the cars wheels do not all come up, it's because the body of teh car is twisting, the same thing is happening when your conering, the body gives and twist. By adding in subframe connectors your tying together the two halves of the car, and making it more rigid, and not allowing the car to flex, so with them you'll jack from a corner and three of the tires should raise if you get high enough, the body is also not twisting when you corner resulting in more precise handling.

there fore in proving traction and giving me better control.

like if i want to whip it around the corner i wont loose control of the car, it will give me a tighter and more control over the car


wow i cant wait to get some

what brand do you recomend?

kyle

you'll have more control over the car in the aspect that it will be more consistent in it's handling, you'll be able to accurately determine where it's limits are better because it will be more consistent.

as for which style you go for it all depends on your set up, alot of guys end up going with the SLP bolt in subframes and then they weld them in.


You could also just go with the SLP weld in as long as you paint them well after they are in.

Regardless the SLP pieces are the only ones the tie the center of the car in as well as the front and rear that pretty much everyone agrees is a good design, or at least the best design that is currnetly offered. This design will limit exhaust setups, some drive shaft safetly loops torque arms etc


there are various tubular and boxed SFC as well that vary with how far down they stick and how much they cost

typically it is advised to weld the rocker panels into the subrame connectors though as it tightens the car up more and makes better use of the subframes

Originally posted by nov194

You could also just go with the SLP weld in as long as you paint them well after they are in.


Paint them BEFOR they go in, let the welder grind off where he has to.
it makes it SO much easier.

I also have and love the SLP weldin's, best mod yet, makes alot of hte creaks and rattles out of the car when jsut driving too.

what about a torque arm from Bmr does that do alot as well?

can you tell the difference with a torque arm

Originally posted by raz0r6
what about a torque arm from Bmr does that do alot as well?

can you tell the difference with a torque arm

I hear different stories all over about tq arms, but generally for corners they dont help, and even for drag racing they do more help when you are on slicks then street tires.

The Kenny Browns also tie in the center as well as front and back. I had those on my old IROC and they were the best thing I had ever done to that car. As soon as I save up some money I plan on buying some subframe connectors for the 95. Which ones, I'm not sure yet.

what track man i live in south bend you got to Osceola drag strip

hey if your ever up on micknely man look for 95 black camaro 4inch cowl lowers quad exhaust

is there anyone else on the message board from northeren IN.

Originally posted by raz0r6
what track man i live in south bend you got to Osceola drag strip

hey if your ever up on micknely man look for 95 black camaro 4inch cowl lowers quad exhaust

is there anyone else on the message board from northeren IN.

Ya, I goto Osceola...I'm suppose to go there on a Friday night within the next few weeks with some guys at work.

Actually I think I've seen you around before, not around McKinly though. Something about all those cops on Friday and Saturday nights makes me a little nervous.

They're are a few people from around this area that I know of. I only know one of though, because he went to my high school and graduated like a year ahead of me. He lives in Osceola and drives a 99 Z28 with 214,000 miles. My Camaro is plain as stock looking...so far. I'm getting the bumper and hood repainted this summer and I'm going to put some 30th anniversary strips on it. We'll have to meet up sometime.

sure man mines really not all that special engine wise(v-6) hahahah yea but i got tons other mods done custom paint job just an overal clean stock car its my baby and i take care of her i live less then 6 blocks from Iusb i live in river park?

maybe we could meat up sometime at the track or at micknely or something

get back with me i n the summer


kyle

Alright, sounds good man.

there is a lot of debate as to the usefulness of the kenny brown SFC hence my comment the slp ones are the only ones everyone can seem to agree on being a good design

Originally posted by nov194
there is a lot of debate as to the usefulness of the kenny brown SFC hence my comment the slp ones are the only ones everyone can seem to agree on being a good design

Oh ok, I haven't really heard the debate, I guess thats why I didn't know. Is there really that big of a difference? They both looked pretty similar to me.

Originally posted by Tang
They're are a few people from around this area that I know of. I only know one of though, because he went to my high school and graduated like a year ahead of me. He lives in Osceola and drives a 99 Z28 with 214,000 miles. My Camaro is plain as stock looking...so far. I'm getting the bumper and hood repainted this summer and I'm going to put some 30th anniversary strips on it. We'll have to meet up sometime.

You rang? ;)

I haven't seen your new Z yet...
I might this next semester though, I'm starting over at IUSB :)

On Topic - Sub Frame Connectors take a lot of the rattles out of the ride right? Thats what I've heard from some people but I'm still a little confused about them. They cure rattles and tweak handling a little bit is what my general idea of them is. Structural rigidity is always a plus too...

Originally posted by Meccadeth
You rang? ;)

I haven't seen your new Z yet...
I might this next semester though, I'm starting over at IUSB :)

On Topic - Sub Frame Connectors take a lot of the rattles out of the ride right? Thats what I've heard from some people but I'm still a little confused about them. They cure rattles and tweak handling a little bit is what my general idea of them is. Structural rigidity is always a plus too...

I was thinking about sending you a PM to come into this thread but I had a feeling that you'd find it by chance. I guess I was right!

Ya, I still haven't seen your Z either, just the pictures. Awesome, another Z28 at IUSB. I've only seen around 3-4 LT1 Z's including me and 1 LS1 Z. There are about 4-5 Trans Am's, some LT1 and some LS1. I just started talking to a kid who has a 97 Z so I need to try and meet up with him sometime. We need to get a bunch of the F-body's around here together on like a Friday or Saturday night this summer.

Back to topic, Ya that is what subframe connectors are suppose to do. It doesn't look like they would, but it really does work so its all good by me. I agree, strucual rigidity is a great thing. Actually those are my plans for my Z first off. I'm going to get mostly chassis and suspension parts for it this summer. Next summer is when the horsepower will start coming! Alright, I need to goto work. SOrry for any misspellings, ITS EARLY and the screen is a little blurry.

Im not sure if this was mentioned but Im also pretty sure you want to make sure the guy installing the sub frame connectors knows what he's doing. I believe the car has to be lifted in the air while maintaining the cars weight on all 4 wheels. So you cant use a frame lift. Correct me if im wrong.

When your body twists in tight corners you can create so much flex you get those tiny dime sized door dings on your quarrter panels. I got two of them after doing some autocrossing. After that I got subframes now I wip and slide the car everywhere and no more door dings. Plus the car feels much more stable. Bump steer is also really bad on our cars especially with wide front tires, subframes help eliminate that.

Originally posted by Black01_Z
Bump steer is also really bad on our cars especially with wide front tires, subframes help eliminate that.

W000T! :bow:
That is annoying as hell with all of the rough roads around here...

Originally posted by Black01_Z
When your body twists in tight corners you can create so much flex you get those tiny dime sized door dings on your quarrter panels. I got two of them after doing some autocrossing. After that I got subframes now I wip and slide the car everywhere and no more door dings. Plus the car feels much more stable. Bump steer is also really bad on our cars especially with wide front tires, subframes help eliminate that.

Really?!? I guess that'd make sense of those 2 "door Dings" in my left rear quarter. I always wondered how a door hit there. Hmmm, that makes me want to take my entire paycheck and buy the SFC now!

Originally posted by Meccadeth
W000T! :bow:
That is annoying as hell with all of the rough roads around here...

help but not eliminate.
if anything else helps with that I want to know, cause I hate that one roads that have ruts in them.

So the SLP's are better than BMR? What's the price difference and where can I get them from?

Well the SLP's at TBYRNE are 189.99 and the BMR's at Tunderracing.com are 159.99. I thought the SLP's would be more than that. I might have to go with the SLP's then, because I think those would make for a more ridgid frame.

Originally posted by FlyBono24
So the SLP's are better than BMR? What's the price difference and where can I get them from?

the BMR goes front to back, weld in teh front and the back.

the SLP do that, but weld to the pinchrail too, and htey also tie into the tunnle brace.

would it be to our best interest to replace the tunnel brace also if you get the slp's because they tie into that also? something to think about.


also if you go to lgmotorsports.com they have a picture of a guy with really bad flex in his ride on the suspensioon page and explain how sfc;s help that

Originally posted by cndctrdj
also if you go to lgmotorsports.com they have a picture of a guy with really bad flex in his ride on the suspensioon page and explain how sfc;s help that

I looked but couldn't find it... linky?

I couldn't find that on the page either. About connecting the tunnel brace, I think it would be better if you did because I would believe that you could still slightly twist the floor pan area without having some of the area reinforced. Thats my opinion, I have no proof to back it up.

http://www.lgmotorsports.com/OCLT1_Fbody_Chassis_Bracing.htm

it was the chassis page not suspension ... sorry look at the top of that link and it has a pic of a guy in an anniversary camaro with his front drivers side tire off the ground and the rest of the car on the ground. it pretty cool

Originally posted by cndctrdj
http://www.lgmotorsports.com/OCLT1_Fbody_Chassis_Bracing.htm

it was the chassis page not suspension ... sorry look at the top of that link and it has a pic of a guy in an anniversary camaro with his front drivers side tire off the ground and the rest of the car on the ground. it pretty cool

:eek: :eek: Holy CRAP!! that car HAS to be hurting! I've never seen a car flex like that! Can't wait till I get my subframe connectors.