hoozenxt 01-27-2002, 01:07 PM Hey everyone does anybody know how to keep the surface scratches to a minimunm when washing the car. My car is black so it shows everything. The finish is awesome but when the sun hits it you can see surface scratches along the door panals and hood. I use a terry cloth mit by the detailers choice for the upper half of the car. I us e a bone sponge for the lower panels. I think the spronge is creating the scratches, but what can I do if I use the mit I will have to pick all of the dirt out of the thing each time clean the lower panels. HELP!!!!!
Do you think these scratches can be buffed out wth a orbital buffer and scratch remover. I'm afraid of putting even more scratches in the paint if I put it on a black car. What do you all think.
Jamie
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1996 Z28 SS #2047
!CAGS, K&N, Flowmaster muffler, SLP Short Throw Shifter W/ Lou's Short Stick, Cutout, Descreened MAF, Enkei Win wheels
moparman 01-27-2002, 01:40 PM First things to do is get rid of the mitt, and the sponge. Buy 2 100% cotton wash mitts to use to wash the car. Do not apply any polishes/waxes in a circular motion. Use straight line application. I recommend Zaino Z5 to try to fill in the swirls. Use the search feature to look for more "swirl" subjects.
KevinSS 01-27-2002, 02:21 PM 98% of all cars have swirl marks and fine scratches including brand new cars.
Why? Because of dealer prepping and using an abrasive polish combined with the
wrong towels and incorrect washing of towels. Abrasives and Polyester in towels are
the most common causes of swirl marks and fine scratches, especially on brand new
paint finishes. The dealer is the first person to start the swirl process on a paint
finish.
Here's a way to check if your paint has swirls or scratches. Look at your paint finish
under fluorescent lighting. This will let you see every mark on the paint surface.
Then you be the judge.
Store bought Swirl removers are just a temporary illusion and a Band-Aid
approach to the problem.....
I am totally against using abrasives on paint finishes. Abrasives, no matter how fine,
create new scratches, they should be avoided and only used when absolutely
necessary. And then only by a trained professional. The clear-coat on today's paint
finishes is very thin and abrasive products will thin it even further and hurt it, in
the long run creating many more swirl marks and fine scratches.
All swirl removers contain abrasives and are loaded with silicone oils and other oils.
Zaino Show Car Polish contains no Abrasives or Silicone oils. Although abrasives
remove scratches they create new scratches and swirls and they thin out the
clear-coat. Silicone oil camouflages swirls and scratches, temporarily, as soon as the
oil washes away or evaporates the swirls are visible again. Kinda a Catch-22. Z-5
fills swirls and scratches and does not create any new scratches. Because Z-5
durability is so high and will not wash away. The scratches will stay filled. That's
the hot ticket to a flawless paint finish.
The Z-5 is applied, as per directions, and will fill swirls and scratches in stages. One
to three coats of Z-5 depending on the amount and degree of scratches. Z-2 should
always be the last coat of polish on the car. Z-2 has higher optics than Z-5. You can
go from Z-2 to Z-5 and back to Z-2 anytime you like. Always use Z-6 "Gloss
Enhancer spray between each and ever coat of Z-5 or Z-2.
With deeper swirls and fine scratches sometimes the use of an mild abrasive product
like 3M Foam Polishing Pad Glaze Swirl Mark Remover #39009 is necessary.. I try
to avoid the use of abrasives and would try my best with Z5, to see if it will correct
the problem. However if you don't see a visible difference after 1 or 2 coats of Z-5.
Waiting 6 to 24 hours between coats of Z-5... Then you need to use the 3M Foam
Polishing Pad Glaze Swirl Mark Remover #39009... see following tips...
3M Foam Polishing Pad Glaze use By hand:
Simply apply a small amount (about the size of a quarter) to a cotton diaper or piece
of cotton towel and rub back and forth into about a 1'X 1' section using light to
medium pressure until it starts to dry out. Then take a second towel and lightly rub
back and forth until the polish residue disappears and the gloss comes up. If there
are still some swirls visible you can repeat this step until they are minimal. I prefer
using a less aggressive product a couple times instead of using a more aggressive
product once. After you have done the entire car you can Dawn wash and reapply
your favorite wax/polish or Zaino Z-1 and Z-5/Z-2.
3M Foam Polishing Pad Glaze use By orbital:
Use a 100% cotton bonnet or a foam bonnet and apply the polish in a thin lined
growing circle starting from the center and spacing the growing line about an inch
from the last round all the way to the edge. Place the bonnet flat on a panel and
activate the polisher and begin working the entire panel using light to medium
pressure. When you have worked the panel thoroughly then take a clean towel and
wipe the residue off in a back and forth motion using light pressure. Then simply
move to the next section. When the entire car is done do a Dawn wash and Zaino.
DO NOT ever use cotton T-shirts on your car. They contain polyester and will cause
swirl marks and scratch your paint finish. Use my #314 applicator pad for applying
my polish. Read my Tips & Tricks sheet. www.zainobros.com (http://www.zainobros.com)
Towels must be 100% Made in USA. Name Brand(Cannon or Fieldcrest Towels).
These towels are always 100% Cotton. Most other Brand name towels I've analyzed
are not 100% Cotton but a blend of cotton and polyester. The cotton material is
from overseas and is not federally regulated. Even though they say 100% Cotton
they are not.
You must use only white. Not colored towels.....Colored towels are not to be used
because the dye leaves a chemical residue on the paint finish. Always wash your
towels first before using. Use Liquid detergent and rinse twice. Do not use Powdered
detergent, Bleach or any type of Fabric softener. Make sure to run rinse cycle twice
to remove all detergent.
You should cut the selvages(borders) off the perimeter of the towels. This selvage
contains nylon and polyester stitching that could possibly scratch your paint finish.
The towels will fray a little once this is done. But it's better to play it safe.
Drying the towels on high heat will make them hold a static charge. I use the regular
heat setting and remove them a little damp and let them air dry. You can fluff the
towel real good when it's dry to make it softer.
As the towels get older they will lose there nap and absorbency and will have to be
replaced.
I don't like sponges natural or synthetic, they all can scratch...
Another great tip is to use a Toro 210mph Electric leaf blower. Dries your car in
about 5 minutes.... without even touching the paint surface....
I prefer The Absorber to dry with if you want to use a chamios.
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96 Black Impala SS
Authorized Zaino Showcar Polish Distributor
www.zainobros.com (http://www.zainobros.com)
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hoozenxt 01-27-2002, 03:52 PM Hey fellas thanks for the replies, I've been using zainofor over a year now and a leaf blower and absorber for drying. I've been using a cotton mitt as well but I haven't been using cannon or fieldcrest towels...that could be my problem. I did use a 3m swirl reducer for dark colored cars but I didn't use a buffer wth it and it left a hazy residue on it. I just ordered some new zaino products so hopefully I can get my car back into good shape.
Jamie
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1996 Z28 SS #2047
!CAGS, K&N, Flowmaster muffler, SLP Short Throw Shifter W/ Lou's Short Stick, Cutout, Descreened MAF, Enkei Win wheels
KevinSS 01-27-2002, 05:03 PM <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by hoozenxt:
Hey fellas thanks for the replies, I've been using zainofor over a year now and a leaf blower and absorber for drying. I've been using a cotton mitt as well but I haven't been using cannon or fieldcrest towels...that could be my problem. I did use a 3m swirl reducer for dark colored cars but I didn't use a buffer wth it and it left a hazy residue on it. I just ordered some new zaino products so hopefully I can get my car back into good shape.
Jamie
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The towels you use for removing polish and using the Z-6 Gloss Ehancer Detail Spray are very important. The only kind of towels to get are Fieldcrest Royal Velvets or Fieldcrest Charisma. You should also NEVER rub on your paint with a totally dry towel UNLESS you are removing wax or polish. These are the only two kinds of towels to buy. If you do not want to spend hours and gas looking all over town to get them, you can get them from me pre cut and the edges re sewn with all cotton thread. Here is my towel business info:
I have two kinds of towels, both white color only, edges removed and re sewn on a
special machine called a serger with all cotton thread to prevent ravel. I have
Fieldcrest Royal Velvet and Fieldcrest Charisma, the Royal Velvets are great but the
Charismas are heavier and softer.
My standard towels come in a pack of 2 sized 20 inches by 28 inches approx., one
pack of Royal Velvet is 15.00 and one pack of Charismas are 18.00. I can do special
orders, full sized towels, 2 to a pack, or 4 to a pack(each pack contains the same
amount of toweling, just cut different)
If I know how many you want I can give you an order total with shipping.
I take credit cards online with www.paypal.com (http://www.paypal.com) or people mail me checks.
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96 Black Impala SS
Authorized Zaino Showcar Polish Distributor
www.zainobros.com (http://www.zainobros.com)
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Kevin V 2002 SS 01-27-2002, 06:03 PM I've bought several packs of the Charismas from KevinSS, they are the only towels I use anymore.
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Kevin Villier, 2002 SS #186 - 6M with Hurst and "short-stick", TT, navy blue, chrome SS wheels, Bilstein suspension, SS grill, STB, SLP loudmouth, Direct-Flo lid with Holley filter and Mallory polished MAF ends.
Louisville, KY
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