Mod for Mod but give me an 1/8 mile race.

 

Yeah, cuz all sorts of people are running 1.65 sixty's with regular street tires...

My best 60' is a 1.85, so what is your point?

 

I don't care about records or fastest this or that. I'm talking specifically about your car and mine.

Besides, the "LS1" world record wasn't set with an LS1, it was based on a GenIII platform. That'd be like me quoting the SBC world record since that is what my block is based on.

I'm talking specifically about your car and mine. I run at full race weight with stock wheels. The only weight reduction i've done is remove the spare and jack.

And are you telling me that an automatic with a stall should be slower than a six speed? Give me a break. Your sixty foot times are 2/10ths better than mine.

The LS6 intake is just another excuse. I run the stock LT1 intake my car came with, not an LT4.

My gearset isn't the greatest either, it's there for the coming motor. I could definately do better with a set of 4.10's out back. But then again, i'm not looking for reasons why my car isn't performing better than a similarly modded, lowly LT1.

 

i dont know, i got a 94 A4 formula with just intake elbow and slp cai and an ls1 only pulled bout 3 cars from 5mph to 110. and 2 of those cars were from 60mph+ i think it would prob be pretty even with the ls1 pullin a little on top

 

Of course you don't care. Because you'll lose that argument every time. But it does help me prove my point.

http://www.w2wpowertrain.com/t-Casper-2.aspx

Same here.

I'm telling you that an automatic with a stall eats far more HP from the FW to the RW. Certainly you know this all ready.

I don't need any excuses. I have beaten every LT1 I have ever lined up against. 8 and 0 to this point. And from what I see if we were to line up at the track I would be 9 and 0

But the fact remains that the LS6 intake is not even considered a mod to some since it came standard on 01-02 models.

But my car is doing better then LT1's. Show me a LT1 A4 with full weight, stock tires, full exhaust, CAI, 3000 stall and drag radials. Better yet, let me show you one:

Impressive mod list. He's stalled with suspension mods, full bolt-ons, ect. He even has 3.42 gears. So lets see his sig now to see how his car matches up to mine.

"Jolene - 1994 Formula A4/3.42s/bolt-ons
1.753 8.223@82.92 12.959@104.04"

Now lets do some math. 12.9 - 12.3 = .6 (didn't I say somewhere that .4-.6 was about average )

Anyway you try and twist this the fact remains. LS1 > LT1 especially when comparing apples to apples (this means a4's to a4's and m6's to m6's). I know this may hurt but the truth sometimes does.

Good luck with your new motor.

 

You too!

 

an LT4 SS would be a better match

 

That's only because you can't handle the fact that the LS1 is dominant in all the major catagories. I'm allowed to bring it up because for one it's true and two it supports my argument. Ricer arguments consist of HP per liter or HP per dollar. Get it?

This is the worlds fastest LS1 whether you want to accept it or not. The F-body community acknowledges this car as the worlds fastest LS1 beating Ronnie Dukes current best of 7.50 @ 185 (which is also faster then the worlds fastest LT1 BTW). Just because you can't personally accept it does not mean everyone else will agree with you.

Do a google search on "worlds fastest LS1" and "worlds fastest LT1" and you'll see what I mean about others not agreeing with you on this issue.

If you didn't have the 12 bolt then I might agree. But the fact is with 3.73's, no worries about breaking the rearend and a high rpm clutch dump you can shoot out of the whole just as good as a moderately stalled auto. And you can do it with better top end as M6's always out dyno and out trap A4's.

I doubt you would get any quicker with a 4L60E/3000 stall. Now with heads,cam & a big stall then I could see some ET improvement. But for a stock internal LT1 I doubt it. There is a reason that the LT1 bolt-on record is held by a M6 and not an auto. Because in bolt-on form they get the best results (with a great driver and high rpm clutch dumps).

1). I'm not making excuses, I am stating facts. Facts that seem to upset you.

2). There are always exceptions. You can take a strong running stock M6 with a great driver and compare it to a weaker running 2.73 geared A4 and see about the same stock ET. But that's not an apples to apples comparison. When comparing a4's to a4's and m6's to m6's the LS1 is ahead by an average of .4-.6 in the quarter.

3). I never said nor did I ever think the LT1 is a joke. Optispark maybe, but not the motor itself. I used to have a 95 Z28 A4 so I know how much fun they are, how bad *** they sound and how much potential they have. But I also know the night and day difference of going to my A4 LS1 as well as how much more potential it has.

That's fine. But the fact still remains it's something many LS1's have that I don't. If I was to finish all bolt-ons including ls6 intake, underdrive pulley, 3,73 gears and swapped for a more efficient stall then my car would shatter into the 11's. If you maxed out your bolt-ons and went with 4.10's then you would still be in the 12's.

This is not an argument you can win.

Provide me a link and I'll check the validity of this. I have a feeling that this guy has all bolt-ons, 3.42 or better gears and maybe even suspension upgrades. I have none of the above

But send me a link if you like.

My arguments more then hold water. Just not with you and for obvious reasons. And likewise your argument that LT1's are just as fast as LS1's after modding starts holds no water with me and also for obvious reasons.

Stock for stock, mod for mod, cam only for cam only, heads & cam for heads and cam, stroker for stroker and worlds fastest (by any means necassary) for worlds fastest all have one thing in common.

LS1 > LT1 when comparing apples to apples.

Thanks

 

Blah blah blah....big block chevy is were it is at.

Way back when the LS1's first started popping up at the track low 14's were the norm....people tend to forget that for the much faster later year models...I have plenty of timeslips of racing these guys.

To show as an example an LT1 that has a big mod list and to say look, see how it runs would be as fair as the guy with an LS1 with AFR 205 cc heads, big cam and a crap load of mods running mid 13's@104...a good race for my wife's stock 06 GT...obviously something was wrong and to not take that into consideration is dumb.

I swear today you must have an LT1 that runs mid 10's to begin to even hang with any stock LS1....they gotsa monster pulls on the big end.

 

I have always seen LS1's run 13's. Some low, some high and most in the middle. But then again, I have been going to tracks that are 700-900 feet above sea level. Times can always be adjusted for elevation and track prep.

You can see a car run 14.3 @ whatever but if it had a 2.4 60' then you can hardly blame the car.

Absolutely not. The guy I quoted had a big mod list. But he had no heads, no cam and no power adder. So we had an auto LT1 with a lot of bolt-ons and some suspension work running a high 12. Is that so far off? Many auto LT1's have run 14.2-14.5 stock. If he was say a 14.4 stock car then bolt-ons netted him 1.5 seconds off his original time.

Is that really so bad? I think 1.5 seconds with bolt-ons rocks but that's just me. So far I have lost 1.2 seconds with bolt-ons and wouldn't mind .3 more. Now that is a far cry from a heads/cam LS1 running 2 seconds slower then he should be. One car did well for the mods and the other gained nothing.

Now that statement is dumb. No one ever said you need to run 10's to hang with a 13 second car

But by todays standards you need to run at least mid tens to be considered fast in any kind of car. You have Corvettes now that run 11.2 @ 125 off the showroom floor. That's friggin crazy. I raced a new C6 Vette (not a Z06) and he ran 12.6 @ 113 to my 12.4 @ 109. I was like damn! I needed over 2K in mods just to get where he stated out at.

But that's the progression of things. The faster they start out the more we need to do to keep up.