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XE 224/230, XE 230/236, or CC306?

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Old Feb 3, 2004 | 08:09 PM
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XE 224/230, XE 230/236, or CC306?

355 LT1, Stock heads, Headers, CAI, Custom Tune (PCMForLess), T56, 3.73's.

Which cam? Goals are mid 12's assuming good traction. Gears are already bought so no 4.10's

Anyone else running a similar setup with any of these cams? Dyno sheets/Track times? Thanks

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Old Feb 3, 2004 | 08:37 PM
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have you thought about the 227/233? My friend has the 224/230 on his stock head 6 spd and wants more. I think the 230/236 may be a bit much for a stock headed car. I would look at that cam instead.
Old Feb 3, 2004 | 08:40 PM
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Crane 210/224 ask Frank95z how he likes it, he runs 11.4's@116 with that cam and stock heads on a stock short block
yeah its confusing the **** out of me too.....
Old Feb 3, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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Crane 210/224 ask Frank95z how he likes it, he runs 11.4's@116 with that cam and stock heads on a stock short block
yeah its confusing the **** out of me too.....
No N20? Massive weight reduction? Holy crap. Frank, have any comments?

Old Feb 3, 2004 | 08:46 PM
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man you guys really need to pay more attention to the drag racing section of this site! you can really find out some interesting things in there....
and yeah that NA, no N2O
Old Feb 3, 2004 | 09:01 PM
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Frank's car is really light, less than 3200 lbs with him in it. I know Altjar went 11.95 @ 115 on stock heads and a GM847. Dyno'd 360 rwhp as well. His car also has a 3500 lb raceweight, which is a lot closer to the average daily driven car. Just a thought - both of them have aftermarket rearends so they can get the most out of their combo. I don't think the stocker is up to 6000 rpm clutch dumps on slicks or e.t. streets with over 350 rwhp.
Old Feb 3, 2004 | 09:25 PM
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Ok, I'm just going to be going with the 224/230. This way I can keep some streetability, gas mileage, and still have a lopey idle all in my daily driver This will mainly be a corner carver/top speed car anyway

Now...CMotorsports next cam kit GP...
Old Feb 4, 2004 | 09:13 PM
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Frank's car is really light, less than 3200 lbs with him in it. I know Altjar went 11.95 @ 115 on stock heads and a GM847. Dyno'd 360 rwhp as well. His car also has a 3500 lb raceweight, which is a lot closer to the average daily driven car. Just a thought - both of them have aftermarket rearends so they can get the most out of their combo. I don't think the stocker is up to 6000 rpm clutch dumps on slicks or e.t. streets with over 350 rwhp.
Just clarifying, my car is full weight, still has the spare tire and jack even Would guess 3800 or so raceweight with me in it.
Old Feb 4, 2004 | 09:23 PM
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Ok, I'm just going to be going with the 224/230. This way I can keep some streetability, gas mileage, and still have a lopey idle all in my daily driver This will mainly be a corner carver/top speed car anyway

Now...CMotorsports next cam kit GP...
Gas mileage with any aftermarket cam will drop...don't go smaller intake/exhaust intervals or lift because of supposed gas mileage loss...

I'd also recomment the 227/233...
Old Feb 4, 2004 | 09:29 PM
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I'd go with the XE 233/239. Search up Madwolf s car, he has some videoclips of that cam in a auto and it sounds nasty! Thats the cam I'm going with and im planning on sticking with 3:42 gears.
Old Feb 5, 2004 | 01:57 AM
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screw sound, do some research and see whos making the kind of power you'd be happy with and what they are using to get there
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Originally posted by Rippin92RS
Ok, I'm just going to be going with the 224/230. This way I can keep some streetability, gas mileage, and still have a lopey idle all in my daily driver This will mainly be a corner carver/top speed car anyway

Now...CMotorsports next cam kit GP...
FWIW, the 224/230 will put you where you want to be. Port the heads, and you've got an 11 second capable car with a decent launch. It's TQ curve is it's saving grace. Look at my dyno graph here and you'll see why I say that.

The 230/236 will sacrifice some TQ, as well as the 306 down low, and it will be peaky instead of much more flat.
Old Feb 5, 2004 | 07:54 AM
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FWIW, the 224/230 will put you where you want to be. Port the heads, and you've got an 11 second capable car with a decent launch. It's TQ curve is it's saving grace.
The 230/236 will sacrifice some TQ, as well as the 306 down low, and it will be peaky instead of much more flat.
Sure you'll loose a little bottom end with the CC306 but you'll still have a flat torque curve if the heads are done right.

Here's mine with mildly ported stock heads and the GM847 camshaft.

http://www.geocities.com/greasemunkeey/Dyno2.html

Of the 3 camshafts, the CC306, XE224/230 and XE230/236 I'd take the CC306 anyday. The XE grinds are very popular but when cars dyno outstanding numbers or run impressive times at the track with stock heads, its mostly with non-XE grinds. The CC305, CC306, Crane and Hotcams may be old, but they're proven.

Do some more searching, especially on guys that've run 11s on stock heads.
Old Feb 5, 2004 | 08:37 AM
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Sure you'll loose a little bottom end with the CC306 but you'll still have a flat torque curve if the heads are done right.

Here's mine with mildly ported stock heads and the GM847 camshaft.

http://www.geocities.com/greasemunkeey/Dyno2.html

Of the 3 camshafts, the CC306, XE224/230 and XE230/236 I'd take the CC306 anyday. The XE grinds are very popular but when cars dyno outstanding numbers or run impressive times at the track with stock heads, its mostly with non-XE grinds. The CC305, CC306, Crane and Hotcams may be old, but they're proven.

Do some more searching, especially on guys that've run 11s on stock heads.
That's a pretty nice curve there. I'm curious though, what did those numbers correct to?? Who did the heads. I'm considering a cam swap in the future if the 1.7 rocker swap doesn't work out for me after I get the car running right, and the 847 is a contender.
Old Feb 5, 2004 | 08:54 AM
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That's a pretty nice curve there. I'm curious though, what did those numbers correct to?? Who did the heads. I'm considering a cam swap in the future if the 1.7 rocker swap doesn't work out for me after I get the car running right, and the 847 is a contender.
The corrected numbers are in my sig. The heads are Advanced Induction "Econoport" heads, they flow 255/188 @ .500 lift. I'd have made alot more power if I went with the full port job. Although the run on that dynosheet starts at 3500rpm, it still made the same torque curve when I started the run at 2500rpm.



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