I know long tubes are a pain in the *** to put in and cost more but the performance is better.

well i was wondering. with all the work and effort + the price. which is better long tubes or shorties.

all opinions are welcome. i just want to see what people think.

 

This topic has been debated for a LONG time on here. Try doing a search for "Longtube" and then a search for "Shorties/Midlengths". I guarantee you that there will be enough post to keep you busy researching for a while. Good luck.

Oh, and I prefer Longtubes

 

Ditto^ You could probably sit down for a good 3 hours and read through the debates and get some knowledge out of it all. I love my long tubes though and wouldn't switch for the world.

 

Here is a good thread or two to look through

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...light=shorties

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hlight=headers

To me, it depends on what you plan to do with the engine. 1 3/4" midlength headers support a LOT of power. LT's are nice, but not the best choice in every application.

I chose the MAC midlength headers ('94-'95 style). They have proven gains of more than 25 hp. I don't plan on running a 383 stroker, nitrous, or forced induction, or a HUGE cam, so the MAC's are best suited for my application. I'm looking to eventually put down about 350 rwhp/350 rwtq and the MAC's are easily capable of that. Plus they have better power in the lower RPM range due to the 1 5/8" primaries allowing better scavanging.

Dan

 

Plain and simple: Long tubes are much better than shorties. People will say otherwise, just ignore them. Just for reference, I'm looking to drop into the high 11s or very very low 12s next time out to the track, on STOCK UNPORTED heads (never been off the car), full weight, stock gears, stock suspension, 275/40s on the front, no skinnies.

There is a guy on here, who I have nothing against, but I'll use him as an example, since he likes to use his car as an example all the time. Stalled A4, same cam as me, "bad ***" heads (he claims), he's running 12.0s, but he has the mac midlengths. I won't mention his name, but I'm sure he'll chime in here. He won't EVER admit that if he put long tubes on his car he'd hit 11s. But that's ok, I don't mind being as fast or almost as fast as he is, w/ my stock heads.

Moral of the story, Long tube headers for LT1s is where it's at.

I went from shorty headers to the Jet hot long tubes, and WOW the difference was unbelievable.

And I'm sure this thread and my post will start yet another debate on the undebatable performance gains going to LTs over shorties.

 

if u have the money to get the long tubes get them.....

 

FastWhiteTA being quick and being fast are two completely different things,i seriously think your missing the major difference between your car and your friends car.

As for ******* tubes vs. shorties/mids. I think theyll both be just as difficult to install but the long tubes will win performance-wise,doesnt matter if you have a stroker or a stock car,long tubes will provide less restriction.You also have to ask yourself whether smog is even an issue,if you have to smog your car,i dont think youll want to be changing your headers too often on these cars at least with the shories,you wont have to get rid of or move your cats to a different location which brings with it BIG fines

 

like most ppl say its on opinion and application whether to use shorties mids or LTs......i guess if u have a very strict emmissions and or inspection...then go with shorties or mids,.....if u dont then just go all out.....also depends on year of car.....OBD11 cars are hit up on emmissons more than the rest....isnt it only cars made after like 96 or with OBD11 the ones that get sniffer tests??

 

youll probly lose out on 15HP by going to shorties instead of the LT's

 

i dont know about NY but in Cali,all cars before 1973 get the **** test

 

Shorties are definitely easier to install than LTs.

 

Hahaha. Never heard it like that before. **** test. lol

 

depends where you are in ny for emmisions

 

Many of you are making claims that just aren't true.

Bigger primaries get you more power in the upper RPM's, but worse in the low RPMs.

Midlength headers make more power in the upper RPM's, but worse in the low RPM's

Read some articles about headers, and look at the dyno results. You'll see what I mean.

Dan

 

i dont think it would be all that difficult to answer the question some are asking, why doesnt some one ( with alot of free time on their hands ) take a car, dyno it with shorties, mids, and longtubes, and post the dyno sheets