Thake618

Okay so i will be dropping the motor in my car (30k) miles to fix the head gasket oil leak that i wish i would have seen before i did the intake manifold. i want to take the engine out so its easier to work on, im going to swap the k member, and its going to save some space in my buddies shop. Anyhow while im in their i decided if im going to do anything now is the time. I priced out the Lloyd Elliot's cam/head combos and it seems like its pretty doable, if im going to do a cam swap mine as well get the most out of it......i have compiled a shopping list of things that i will need, some nay not be necessary and thats what i need opinions on! this is what ive found needed from reading forums talking to LLoyd, ETC. If i am missing anything or anyone has recommendations please chime in! I Dont want to cheap out on the valve train, but i dont want to throw unneeded money on something i can use elsewhere

Shopping list:
LLoyd Elliots LE1 or LE2 setup with a 223.231.557.571 112LSA camshaft 1200-1600
Intake Manifold Machining (Lloyd Elliot) $200.00
58mm Throttle body (recommendations? Trick flow?) $200-400
comp ultra pro mag NSA 7/16 1:6 Roller rockers $315.00
ARP 7103 Rocker Studs $50.00
ISKY adjustable Guideplates $72.00
Pushrods (SIZE TBD) $200.00???
Pacesetter Armor coat long tubes $415.00
Trickflow 89030 30lb injectors $329.00
ARP head studs 134-5502 $70.00 (im seeing mixed opinions on weather to use these or not. I dont want to reuse the torque to yield bolts.)
Fel-Pro or victor reinz gasket sets. $130.00 (how are the victors?)
Taylor 84226 Spark Plug wires $62.00
NGK TR-55 Plugs $11.00
Timing Chain $50.00 + - (will i need a new one at 30k miles? dont think it will hurt)
Pcm tune Via PCM for less. $175.00 (would like to dyno tune if i can find someone around me)

Thats a wrap for my list, time for feedback!!!!

Chimera96

Like I mentioned in your other forum post....the 5502 ARP studs are for main caps...not head bolts

Thake618

i figured that out about 20 minutes ago lol....

Injuneer

Suggestion.... format your cam spec as “223/231 0.557 I/0.571 E 112 LSA” so it doesn’t appear is a clickable IP address in your posts.

Injector choice wrong on two counts.....

- Trick Flow injectors are not the best
Better choices available here:
https://fuelinjectorconnection.com/c.../lt1-1992-1996
https://www.racetronix.biz/storeitems.asp?cc=fuelinj-09
Bosch type 3, Delphi, Lucas, Racetronix, Deka

- 30 #/HR ay not be big enough. That will handle ~425-430 flywheel HP. I would just go for 33, 36 or 37 #/HR. You may never reach the 500 HP but you will have room for future upgrades. No harm in going a bit larger than you need.

I prefer MSD 8.5mm Super Conductors. Had problems with the Taylors.

Head gasket thickness affects static compression ratio. You have to select a compressed thickness, then a brand.

Unless you are looking at a power adder (nitrous, forced induction) use an iridium plug... they will last 100K miles. And since you are adding substantial HP, NGK TR6 IX would be one step colder, a better choice.

Thake618

best feedback yet. Noted....mgk superconductors were on my list however the resistance per foot wasn't a ton diffrent when you compare it to the 4k ohm stock resistance. I'll look into the injectors basic reading told be 30 was okay and not to go too big but I see your reasoning on a little more won't hurt, just don't wanna go too much. Also....I will update the cam I was at work and trying to type up quick. Thanks forbth feedback!

Thake618

UPDATE:
Injectors racetronics 37# https://www.racetronix.biz/product.asp?ic=01d114x
Ignition MSD superconductors with ngk tr6 ix

How does the rest of the list look, valve train wise am i all there? can i eliminate anything? (i know i have the wrong part number in for the arp head bolts)

for gaskets is this set good? i believe the compressed thickness is .039
FEL-HS9966PT

Chimera96

if you are not having the blocked decked (doesn't sound like you are) you need to be mindful of what your "quench" will be

Most doing just a H/C swap would go with a Victor Reinz/Mr Gasket .029 thick head gasket

Thake618

reading about those I thought they were for iron heads. What's quench?

Chimera96

often referred to as piston to valve clearance that distance of .035-.040 is considered stoic (optimum). You piston (stock motor) is likely .005+ "inside" (below) the cyl. block opening so with a .029 head gasket that would put you closer to the stoic distance. Cheap way of bumping up compression some.

Yes the iron head LT1 came with a .029 head gasket and the aluminum head motors came with .049 IIRC.

Many move to the .029 thickness on a stock block/piston/rod motor when doing H/C to get a small increase in compression

with your new Head & cam install you will need a new PCM tune to not only make the motor run right but to get the most power out of the head & cam. Typically this also involves going to a 160 degree thermostat as the tuner will make the fans come on at lower temps so your motor will run cooler than stock and can accept more timing without detonation. Also you will need to use 93 octane unless you specify you want to use 91 or lower and the tuner would back off on timing

If you live in a emission test location...than you will need to consider smaller cams if you have to pass tail pipe emission.

Thake618

im awate of the tuning and thermostat yes. Im also emissions exempt. I wont have any trouble with that gasket? As far as the other components on my list is there anything I don't need?

Chimera96

your motor will not run well when you put the cam in if you do not have it tuned for it. Idle will likely be low and it will stall. Fueling will be huge rich with larger injectors without a tune. So basically don't do this if you are not immediately getting a tune. You will over fuel the motor and gas will wash down the cylinders

Follow injuneers advice on his recommendations. Magnacore is another good choice for plug wires. Likely more $ than MSD though

I would hold off on the 58mm TB unless you have scan ability to monitor IAC counts and then can do the "modifications" to the 58 TB. They are really not a plug & play install but certainly can be adjusted to work fine. You will need to have Lloyd open up the intake to accept the 58

You can use the .039 head gasket if you want, just most would go with the .029

at 30k mi your timing chain should be just fine

with the larger injectors you should put in a 255 LPH fuel pump

Thake618

Lmao with that being said who wants paid to come to the shop and help me assemble all of this 😂

sbs

The throttle body and the intake machining are going to net relatively little bang for the buck. Unless you're wanting to squeeze out every HP I'd skip those.

I wouldn't do a timing chain on a 30k stock shortblock.