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Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
New to this platform. So the car is supposedly a tuned 383 stroker. The car has long tube headers with the downstream sensors tuned out (square plug). Sensor wiring got destroyed loading onto a trailer. When looking into why the car was running bad i found I'm guessing what looks to be a resistor and maybe a diode not exactly sure soldered inline in the wiring. I have a new sensor on the way I'm just wondering what route to take and if there is a plug n play setup I can order in its place.
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Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
Hard to identify those wires.
Since you indicate you have after-cat sensors, you must have an OBD-2 1996 or 1997. The after-cat sensors have little, if anything with how the engine runs. If they are "tuned out", no need to replace the damaged sensor. It's only purpose would be to plug the bung in the exhaust pipe. And if the after-cat O2 sensors are "tuned out", wiring would not seem to be required, unless maybe the heater circuits, Have you scanned the PCM for codes? Again, tuned out, the sensing circuit should not set a code. Looking at the wiring diagram in the 1996 factory service manual (essentially same as 1997) the four wires to the after-cat sensor are black, pink, (heater circuit), and tan and purple (sensing circuit). There is no gray wire involved, so it's hard to tell what wires they were even working on. Are these part of the wiring to the O2 sensor connector? Typically with long tubes, harness extensions are required. Are these wires part of an extension? Did they do the same mod on the after-cat sensor on the other side? |
Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
Originally Posted by Injuneer
(Post 7019346)
Hard to identify those wires.
Since you indicate you have after-cat sensors, you must have an OBD-2 1996 or 1997. The after-cat sensors have little, if anything with how the engine runs. If they are "tuned out", no need to replace the damaged sensor. It's only purpose would be to plug the bung in the exhaust pipe. And if the after-cat O2 sensors are "tuned out", wiring would not seem to be required, unless maybe the heater circuits, Have you scanned the PCM for codes? Again, tuned out, the sensing circuit should not set a code. Looking at the wiring diagram in the 1996 factory service manual (essentially same as 1997) the four wires to the after-cat sensor are black, pink, (heater circuit), and tan and purple (sensing circuit). There is no gray wire involved, so it's hard to tell what wires they were even working on. Are these part of the wiring to the O2 sensor connector? Typically with long tubes, harness extensions are required. Are these wires part of an extension? Did they do the same mod on the after-cat sensor on the other side? |
Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
Your description completely lost me on what wire on what sensor had this modification.
Been here for 27 years and haven’t seen anything like that before. Maybe someone else can pick this up. Might take a while, since not many people follow this site any more. |
Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
Originally Posted by Injuneer
(Post 7019350)
Your description completely lost me on what wire on what sensor had this modification.
Been here for 27 years and haven’t seen anything like that before. Maybe someone else can pick this up. Might take a while, since not many people follow this site any more. |
Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
The pre-cat sensor may have failed, so they took the unused sensor out of the after-cat position, necessitating the change to the square connector on the pre-cat harness. The sensors for pre-cat and after-cat are identical part #, only the connectors are different. But the diode/resistor hack serves an unclear purpose.
Let me see if our electronics guru can look at this. @GaryDoug |
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Found this…. see post #4 and following.
https://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8950 Apparently this is some kind of hack on the after-cat sensor, to dampen the voltage swings to the extent they don't trip the SES light. More evidence to suggest someone just moved the after-cat sensor up to the pre-cat location. Surprised this didn’t cause issues, and an SES light. Does the SES light come on during bulb check when you turn the key to “RUN”? Maybe someone pulled the bulb??? You need to scan for codes. |
Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
Describe exactly how this resistor/capacitor is or was wired. Where does the wire from the resistor go...to the sensor or to the car wiring? I am asking about the grey wire going to the right in your photo. That is a low pass filter (resistor and capacitor) that changes any input signal from high frequency to lower frequency. I have a feeling that went to a square wave generator which signal is then changed to more of a sine wave signal, so the pcm could more easily read it as an o2 signal. I used a very similar filter (100k and 4.7uFd) in my pcm test rig to change a signal from a little (555) square wave generator to an O2 output signal. A possible use would be in the downstream O2 sensor circuit to simulate a good signal there.
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Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
I think you are right. The previous owner just swapped the rear o2's to the front not knowing there was a resistor and diode wired in and just changed the plug from square to flat. Because it looked like there were 2 different sets of wires used. So using new sensors for both sides moving forward what do I need to do?
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Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
Originally Posted by GaryDoug
(Post 7019357)
Describe exactly how this resistor/capacitor is or was wired. Where does the wire from the resistor go...to the sensor or to the car wiring? I am asking about the grey wire going to the right in your photo. That is a low pass filter (resistor and capacitor) that changes any input signal from high frequency to lower frequency. I have a feeling that went to a square wave generator which signal is then changed to more of a sine wave signal, so the pcm could more easily read it as an o2 signal. I used a very similar filter (100k and 4.7uFd) in my pcm test rig to change a signal from a little (555) square wave generator to an O2 output signal. A possible use would be in the downstream O2 sensor circuit to simulate a good signal there.
https://www.eleccircuit.com/simple-5...rator-circuit/ |
Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
Originally Posted by Dbane
(Post 7019360)
it is in-between the plug and the sensor. Any suggestions from you guys would be great ive got new sensorels on the way and square plug to flat plug conversions from Michigan motorsports. Do I still need to wire in the resistors. I'm not very tech savvy. But I can solder in those wires if need be.
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Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
I suspect it goes to the car to send back a lower voltage or show resistance. The wires were ripped out of the sensor and I had cut the plug off to reuse on the new sensor and was going to use those wires to extend my sensor and found the resistor if that is what it is I'm unsure of the correct terminology. I'm going to just try it without and see if it works parts wont be here till Monday so I will let you guys know what happens. Thanks you guys both for your time I really appreciate it.
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Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
So it's a DIY replication of an O2 sim (the thing they outlawed, to put Casper out of business)?
https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/casp...-clean-air-act |
Re: Found a resistor in oxygen sensor wiring, need help...
Originally Posted by Injuneer
(Post 7019364)
So it's a DIY replication of an O2 sim (the thing they outlawed, to put Casper out of business)?
https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/casp...-clean-air-act |
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