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Old Aug 20, 2003 | 01:46 PM
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bolt on LT1 wants to hang or beat IS300 with supra TT engine

do you think i have enough??

i have

SLP CAI
edelbrock TES headers and Y pipe
no CAT
dynomax muffler
also hooker cat back
8MM taylor wire
TB bypass
autolite 104

he will have:

supra TT engine
headers and cat back

do you think i can take him down??

i know i can always use my 75 wet shot just in case to win

but this race will not involve any money, just for fun....

what other mods should i do before i race this guy??

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Old Aug 20, 2003 | 02:04 PM
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Re: bolt on LT1 wants to hang or beat IS300 with supra TT engine

Originally posted by TMDZ28
do you think i have enough??

i have

SLP CAI
edelbrock TES headers and Y pipe
no CAT
dynomax muffler
also hooker cat back
8MM taylor wire
TB bypass
autolite 104

he will have:

supra TT engine
headers and cat back

do you think i can take him down??

i know i can always use my 75 wet shot just in case to win

but this race will not involve any money, just for fun....

what other mods should i do before i race this guy??
Advice---Do not race him from a roll he will eat you alive his powerband is 4500+ If he stays out of his powerband you should be fine but most TT owners CLAIM all they have is exhaust.. How do I know? I had one!!! Which engine and what year the 7MGTE was a monster with twins but 94+ have 320H to the wheels If he did 3 inch downpipe with the headers/catback then he's up to about 345 but his torque is up high so hit him from a stop

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Old Aug 20, 2003 | 02:10 PM
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IS300 come stock with the 2JZ *supra engine*. Just the naturally aspirated ones. Are u saying he pulled a twin turbo 2JZ out of a supra and put it in his IS300?
You'll probably lose... unless you use your wet shot.
hard to say without knowing what type of turbo or turbos, what PSI, what intercooler, etc.
Old Aug 20, 2003 | 02:23 PM
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Are you sure about that? I thought they had the ES300 V6?
Old Aug 20, 2003 | 03:15 PM
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the is300's is an inline 6 which is basically the same engine as the MKIV supras 2JZ.
The es300 is a transversely mounted V6.
Old Aug 20, 2003 | 03:49 PM
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the is300 comes with the 2jz-ge engine that is also found in the gs300, sc300, and na supra. the 2jz-gte engine which is found in the supra twin turbo is a whole different world, its not just that they threw turbos on it and called it a day, the only thing that remains the same is the block i believe, head is way different, cams are obviously way different, forged internals from the factory, different intake manifold...etc... "stock" supra twin turbo engines have tons of potential. the stock fuel system is good to about 550rwhp if you want to push it (race gas obviously) stock turbos are good to about 450+rwhp, stock maf is good to 500-550rwhp (it becomes a bottle neck), intercooler is good to about 450rwhp, cams to about 650rwhp, internals to about 800rwhp.

this person who you say is racing you most definitely doesnt have headers, as a header is the turbo manifold. if he has a new turbo manifold, he has a new turbo, thus you are in for a severe hurtin'. unless he has the n/a motor (which is also a 'supra engine') then youll beat him if you were stock. they are low 15 second cars with the motor they come with, header and a catback may put them in the high 14's. if he has the 2jzgte with a downpipe (which would be the closest thing to a v8's headers) then he just gained 30-40rwhp in conjunction with a nice flowing exhaust he could have close to 400 crank from just those two mods. he will now spool faster, get more boost and just be all around better. he most likely will have a boost controller and boost cut controller, so he could be up at 18 pounds (where i am on pump gas) and that could cause you problems.

depending on how much he does have as opposed to what hes telling you he has he could have oodles of power. theres at least one guy i know that has a stock bodied supra with the stock wheels that has over 700hp to the wheels. the only thing you can tell is the intercooler and exhaust. and i think hes lowered. thats it.

to beat a mildly modded supra (engine) youre gonna want all the boltons. to beat this guy...if he only has what he says he has, then i think youll be fine if you can squeak out a 12.9 (hopefully you trap over 110, because he probably will)

to put it in perspective...the average driver in my car will probably run mid 12's. on race gas i have like 420-440rwhp...but from 70 i can pull 600cc sport bikes pretty hard, from 100 i wouldnt be surprised if i could take down a 750.

good luck,

Mark
Old Aug 20, 2003 | 04:03 PM
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I doubt you will win. I have(well my wife does) an IS300 and the traction is really unbelievable. It isn't the fastest car...but with a TT I couldn't imagine. I got a letter from TRD and they have a SC set up comming out for it that is suppose to give it ~335...if I could only find the article. And it is suppose to run low 13's to high 12's. IF you buy their $8500 package it is like mid 12's all day. Just the other day I raced a TT supra...and let's just say it wasn't pretty. I had him till 40....but that doesn't count. The IS is probably a little heavier than the supra...but still. But if it's just for fun...then have some!
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Old Aug 20, 2003 | 04:08 PM
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Good luck.

If he does have an IS300 with the exact 2JZ turbo motor from the Supra, he's going to eat you alive. If he's got the "normal" 2JZ from the IS300 with a turbo, you'll have a chance.

Assuming he has transplanted the 2JZ from a Supra TT, I just wanted to know if I can have your doors after he blows them off. I need a new driverside door. That stupid window doesn't seem to want to work.
Old Aug 20, 2003 | 04:09 PM
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yeah you would lose, sorry. az28
Old Aug 20, 2003 | 05:17 PM
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Man you people make me miss my supra.makes me fill like trading the camaro for a pickup.
Old Aug 20, 2003 | 06:50 PM
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is supra really that scary??? i cant believe it.....so what should i do to prevent he's hurtin me, i want to beat him NA....advice please
Old Aug 20, 2003 | 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by TMDZ28
i want to beat him NA...
Why, he's got a motor swap and a TT. No shame in useing your poweradder. Good luck though because if he took the time to do a motor swap he may have 'done it right'

-brent
Old Aug 20, 2003 | 08:01 PM
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hmm, but import owner always says "you got two more cylinder than me, and twice the size in Ci"

well, i guess my 75 wet shot has to come in for a play
Old Aug 20, 2003 | 08:07 PM
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is supra really that scary??? i cant believe it.....so what should i do to prevent he's hurtin me, i want to beat him NA....advice please
Yep they are.. unfortunately.. a buddy of mine with simple mods and boost control puts down 400 to the wheels.. he runs 12.8 at 120... they are all boost no torque and freakish on the interstate..

you want to beat him go stoplight to stoplight and keep him out of the boost.. or get heads, cam, etc..

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Old Aug 21, 2003 | 04:21 AM
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Fortunately for us there are a few imports out there that will actually have less cylinders but serious potential, one being the supra and the other which is rare to see here is the skyline. These are the only 2 I have seen that respond extremely well to simple bolt ons. I am starting to miss my supra for 2 reasons. 1 being the mod potential and the other that it never left me stranded like my camaro does. You have to think that a car coming from the factory with forged internals is going to allow power adders like candy but they suffer the same problem as our cars when we turn up the power; how to keep it to the pavement. I always had a problem keeping my power to the ground even with the nitto street dr's I had on it. From a stop it was easy to see a vette pull on me but once I got her rolling forget it. From a roll or 45 mph I still had to feather it a little but it was no match!! The supra is truly a fun car but pricing is what keeps me away from getting another one. I really do miss my supra and wish I did not have to sell it but divorce has a funny way of making you lose things quickly!!



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