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Gripenfelter 01-19-2004 10:01 AM

7/16th or 3/8th stud for rockers?
 
At what point should you switch to a 7/16" stud over a 3/8" stud for rocker arms?

30thannZ28 01-19-2004 10:21 AM

I use the 7/16" ones for peace of mind.
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shoebox 01-19-2004 10:23 AM

Big lift, high rpms, race or play around a lot..those are good clues it would be a good idea. They are so cheap and reasonably easy to do (more so if you are getting new rockers at the same time) that it is just good insurance.

SVT Killer LV 01-19-2004 10:25 AM

There really isn't a correct answer for this. I suggest the swap the first time you do rockers on your car. I changed mine during the h/c/i swap on my car. Whenever you chain the valvetrain geometery added strength and sturdiness is a good thing. IMHO... this next motor I am building will have 7/16 rockers AND a rocker stud girdle...

It's just cheap insurance

350 HRSS 01-19-2004 10:34 AM

I agree. I went to 7/16 w/ my LT4 Stage II heads. IMO, it is worth it. I posted the same questions here at that time as well, and received the same kind of answers *hint hint* :)

ibanez6rg 01-19-2004 10:41 AM

I'll be using 7/16.

OldSStroker 01-19-2004 11:16 AM

Re: 7/16th or 3/8th stud for rockers?
 

Originally posted by Gripenfelter
At what point should you switch to a 7/16" stud over a 3/8" stud for rocker arms?
I'd switch at the time I needed to go to 3/8 dia pushrods (on a SBC) for adequate stiffness. IMO, first make sure you are using the stiffest rockers available. Good 3/8 studs like ARP probably deflect considerably less than some rocker arms.

Thought: on a SBC, or any head with inline, non-canted valves, the bending loads on the studs tend to bend the girdles in their weakest direction, and they may transfer any bending in one stud to other studs. BBC girdles make more sense to me.

My $.02

FacelessZ 01-19-2004 12:04 PM

I just went with my stock 3/8 stud after I installed my GMPP 1.6 rockers. After I get springs and pushrods I'll be switching to a 7/16 stud just for peace of mind with the lift of the XE 230/236...

Gripenfelter 01-19-2004 12:08 PM

Thanx guys.

I guess we'll be going 7/16". :)

OldSStroker 01-19-2004 12:15 PM


Originally posted by FacelessZ
I just went with my stock 3/8 stud after I installed my GMPP 1.6 rockers. After I get springs and pushrods I'll be switching to a 7/16 stud just for peace of mind with the lift of the XE 230/236...
That means new rockers as well as head machining, right?

No flame intended, but what "peace of mind" do stiffer rocker studs give? Studs are not the weak link in the valvetrain. We're not talking about them breaking, just deflecting a few thousands of an inch. IMO, spending the bucks on stiffer rocker arms (which deflect a lot more than studs) will probably put you farther ahead toward a stiffer valvetrain which allows the valve to more closely follow what the cam is trying to do.

My highly-opinionated $.02

FacelessZ 01-19-2004 12:19 PM

Thans for your input, but seat machining won't be necessary with the Crane 99893 springs I'll be getting...

I got such a great deal on these rockers, that's why I went with SA...if I feel like it (not an avid track-goer) I'll sell them off and go with a set of NSA 1.6 rockers with guide plates...and 7/16 studs...for MORE peace of mind...

:thumb:

OldSStroker 01-19-2004 12:38 PM


Originally posted by FacelessZ
Thans for your input, but seat machining won't be necessary with the Crane 99893 springs I'll be getting...

Not for the springs. I meant drilling and tapping for the 7/16 base thread in the head if they are now 3/8.

I got such a great deal on these rockers, that's why I went with SA...if I feel like it (not an avid track-goer) I'll sell them off and go with a set of NSA 1.6 rockers with guide plates...and 7/16 studs...for MORE peace of mind...

:thumb:


FacelessZ 01-19-2004 12:43 PM

In that case I'll stick with my 3/8 stud until I order an alternate set of heads to be sent to the shop...

:D

shoebox 01-19-2004 01:23 PM

The thread size in the LT1 head is already 7/16", so there is no head work to be done for the studs that are 7/16" on the top end. Both 3/8" and 7/16" studs are 7/16" on the head side. :)

OldSStroker 01-19-2004 02:04 PM


Originally posted by shoebox
The thread size in the LT1 head is already 7/16", so there is no head work to be done for the studs that are 7/16" on the top end. Both 3/8" and 7/16" studs are 7/16" on the head side. :)
Cool! Thanks. :)


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