383 Advice needed...
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383 Advice needed...
I'm looking at this setup:
- 2 bolt main caps with ARP main studs
- Eagle 4340 forged steel crankshaft
- Eagle 4340 forged H-Beam connecting rods
- SRP forged pistons (flat top/dish top depending on application)
- JE Plasma Moly ring set
- Clevite 77 race bearings
- Melling high volume oil pump
- Fully balanced and blueprinted
- Custom hydraulic roller camshaft designed for customer’s goals
- GM LT4 Extreme Duty timing chain set with oversized crank sprocket
- Fully assembled short block
Will the crank and H-beam rods handle a 200 shot?
Planning on using the 224/236 Xtreme nitrous cam with ported/polished Fbody 651 castings and 2.02/1.60 valves.
I can't wait until tomorrow to find out from cmotorsports so I thought I'd ask opinions on here today.
Let me know,
Mike
- 2 bolt main caps with ARP main studs
- Eagle 4340 forged steel crankshaft
- Eagle 4340 forged H-Beam connecting rods
- SRP forged pistons (flat top/dish top depending on application)
- JE Plasma Moly ring set
- Clevite 77 race bearings
- Melling high volume oil pump
- Fully balanced and blueprinted
- Custom hydraulic roller camshaft designed for customer’s goals
- GM LT4 Extreme Duty timing chain set with oversized crank sprocket
- Fully assembled short block
Will the crank and H-beam rods handle a 200 shot?
Planning on using the 224/236 Xtreme nitrous cam with ported/polished Fbody 651 castings and 2.02/1.60 valves.
I can't wait until tomorrow to find out from cmotorsports so I thought I'd ask opinions on here today.
Let me know,
Mike
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That's what I get for working 12 hours on a holiday....
I have the Walbro 340 in tank and the Bosch inline fuel pump for my dry nitrous setup. I was pushing 400HP/480TQ to the rear wheels with nitrous on stock motor.
I'm hoping that I don't have to get too crazy on the fuel system to support the new head/cam stroker and a 200 or 300 shot. I will be changing from a dry shot to direct port installation.
Mike
I have the Walbro 340 in tank and the Bosch inline fuel pump for my dry nitrous setup. I was pushing 400HP/480TQ to the rear wheels with nitrous on stock motor.
I'm hoping that I don't have to get too crazy on the fuel system to support the new head/cam stroker and a 200 or 300 shot. I will be changing from a dry shot to direct port installation.
Mike
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From: Chandler AZ
HI Mike,
The only thing I have heard is that the Eagle cranks are not as good becasue they take more metal to balance and the journals tend to have some taper. This was from My machinist. I have seen several guys on here using the H-beams.
I would like to know what Combination says about the cranks.
My machinist said they like Scat cranks better than eagle because they have a lot fewer machining issues with them. I believe Nu-Teck mentioned this in 1 or 2 of their write ups in magazines.
I don't know how well the 2 bolt main bearings hold up to 600rwhp as far as the bearings wanting to walk around. I would like to hear from some guys using 2 bolt mains making that kind of power. There is a guy using the stock, crank Eagle H beams and a 300 shot and he put his engine together with plastigauge and he is running 9's
Let me know
Tom
The only thing I have heard is that the Eagle cranks are not as good becasue they take more metal to balance and the journals tend to have some taper. This was from My machinist. I have seen several guys on here using the H-beams.
I would like to know what Combination says about the cranks.
My machinist said they like Scat cranks better than eagle because they have a lot fewer machining issues with them. I believe Nu-Teck mentioned this in 1 or 2 of their write ups in magazines.
I don't know how well the 2 bolt main bearings hold up to 600rwhp as far as the bearings wanting to walk around. I would like to hear from some guys using 2 bolt mains making that kind of power. There is a guy using the stock, crank Eagle H beams and a 300 shot and he put his engine together with plastigauge and he is running 9's
Let me know
Tom
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Originally posted by TCAL95Z
HI Mike,
The only thing I have heard is that the Eagle cranks are not as good becasue they take more metal to balance and the journals tend to have some taper. This was from My machinist. I have seen several guys on here using the H-beams.
I would like to know what Combination says about the cranks.
My machinist said they like Scat cranks better than eagle because they have a lot fewer machining issues with them. I believe Nu-Teck mentioned this in 1 or 2 of their write ups in magazines.
I don't know how well the 2 bolt main bearings hold up to 600rwhp as far as the bearings wanting to walk around. I would like to hear from some guys using 2 bolt mains making that kind of power. There is a guy using the stock, crank Eagle H beams and a 300 shot and he put his engine together with plastigauge and he is running 9's
Let me know
Tom
HI Mike,
The only thing I have heard is that the Eagle cranks are not as good becasue they take more metal to balance and the journals tend to have some taper. This was from My machinist. I have seen several guys on here using the H-beams.
I would like to know what Combination says about the cranks.
My machinist said they like Scat cranks better than eagle because they have a lot fewer machining issues with them. I believe Nu-Teck mentioned this in 1 or 2 of their write ups in magazines.
I don't know how well the 2 bolt main bearings hold up to 600rwhp as far as the bearings wanting to walk around. I would like to hear from some guys using 2 bolt mains making that kind of power. There is a guy using the stock, crank Eagle H beams and a 300 shot and he put his engine together with plastigauge and he is running 9's
Let me know
Tom
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R9771.035 Speed Pro ring set/ file fit/ std tension oil ring 98.18
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3.25% discount -71.76
Dragon Slayer 383 Assembly Total Price 2,136.15
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12370835 Timing set LT4 extreme 283.77
10530-16 SBC Hyd roller lifters 199.40
BS40520 LT1 Rear main seal 26.64
12552426 '95 LT1 timing cover 100.00
10128293 LT1 timing cover gasket 3.49
OS34500R Oil pan gasket
38.16
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Well if I'm buying an assembled 383 shortblock that's balanced and blueprinted the only thing that would be questionable then would be maybe upgrade to I beams and splayed caps?
Another $500 wouldn't kill me but another $1k would...
Mike
Another $500 wouldn't kill me but another $1k would...
Mike
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From: Chandler AZ
Hi
I Believe the H beams are better than the I beams. Or do you mean the callies I beams from Oliver? I just don't like the idea of buying a new forged crank and it needing machine work to correct factory problems.
Who is going to install that for you?
I Believe the H beams are better than the I beams. Or do you mean the callies I beams from Oliver? I just don't like the idea of buying a new forged crank and it needing machine work to correct factory problems.
Who is going to install that for you?
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Originally posted by mtxpert
Well if I'm buying an assembled 383 shortblock that's balanced and blueprinted the only thing that would be questionable then would be maybe upgrade to I beams and splayed caps?
Another $500 wouldn't kill me but another $1k would...
Mike
Well if I'm buying an assembled 383 shortblock that's balanced and blueprinted the only thing that would be questionable then would be maybe upgrade to I beams and splayed caps?
Another $500 wouldn't kill me but another $1k would...
Mike
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OK guys one more question....
Is the 224/236 114 Xtreme nitrous cam too small for this setup?
I want mid to low 12's on motor (4400 lb car) and very low 11's on juice.
Let me know,
Mike
Is the 224/236 114 Xtreme nitrous cam too small for this setup?
I want mid to low 12's on motor (4400 lb car) and very low 11's on juice.
Let me know,
Mike
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From: houston, tx
Re: 383 Advice needed...
Originally posted by mtxpert
Will the crank and H-beam rods handle a 200 shot?
Mike
Will the crank and H-beam rods handle a 200 shot?
Mike
My 383 runs polished beam stock rods with arp bolts. Stock 2bolt mains w/ Scat cast steel crank. I'm running a 100/150 too stage system and the motor has seen a 300 shot. Motors been together for 4-1/2 years.
You shouldnt have any problems with the setup you're proposing.
Last edited by speedmiser; May 27, 2003 at 02:12 PM.
