General 1967-2002 F-Body Tech For general F-Body discussion that does not fit in any other forum.
For F-Body Technical/Information Discussion ONLY

Help! No start - VATS On

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 9, 2006 | 08:52 PM
  #1  
MachinistOne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,001
From: Bay Area, CA
Help! No start - VATS On

This morning on the way to work, I noticed that the in-dash security light was blinking, at luch it would not start, turns to the "on" position and radio and lights come on but security light blinks, turn to "run" position and all lights go out, no start.....Talked to our lead tech and he said that 90% of the time the resistor in the ignition key is bad(no contact), so I ran over to the locksmith and got the correct resistor key made....still the same thing, nothing happens in the run position. I have tried cycling the key fob through lock and un-lock, I cleared the one code in the computer for "Fuel pump relay security disable". I have tried diconnecting the battery...I'm sure one of you guys knows the answer...

I need help fast, otherwise I will have to drive the Ford tomorrow

Last edited by MachinistOne; Mar 9, 2006 at 09:09 PM.
Old Mar 9, 2006 | 09:13 PM
  #2  
MachinistOne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,001
From: Bay Area, CA
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

Did some searching and most of the stuff talks about a security light that stays on, not a blinking one. But things to look at are:

The actuall VATS module?
Ignition switch?

What is the best way to bypass this...
Old Mar 9, 2006 | 09:34 PM
  #3  
shoebox's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 1969
Posts: 27,725
From: Little Rock, AR
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

There are many posts about VATS in the general tech forum.

Key pellet bypass info
Old Mar 9, 2006 | 09:58 PM
  #4  
Z95m6's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 6,070
From: newton, kansas, USA
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

Originally Posted by shoebox
There are many posts about VATS in the general tech forum.

Key pellet bypass info
Maybe shoebox can help but i believe you can have the resistor mod and the car still not start. Then at that point you need to program it out of the PCM.
Old Mar 9, 2006 | 10:34 PM
  #5  
MachinistOne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,001
From: Bay Area, CA
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

My gf and I commute to work together, she works around the corner at the prototype shop where I work weekends, so I used their scan tool cause that's where the car was at. I am going to take our scan tool over there tomorrow because it has the brand new cartridges that communicate with the body control module, hopefully that will help narrow it down.

I thought it would be fixed with the new key, the old was was very visibly worn, and the resistor did not "click" into place like the new one does, but of course it can't be that easy...

Last edited by MachinistOne; Mar 9, 2006 at 10:37 PM.
Old Mar 9, 2006 | 11:30 PM
  #6  
Brent94Z's Avatar
Super Moderator
 
Joined: May 1999
Posts: 4,060
From: Inverness, FL
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

Don't completely rule out the ignition switch. These go bad often as well... the contacts don't make up for it to see the resistor pellet so therefore it won't start
Old Mar 10, 2006 | 12:27 AM
  #7  
tapout911's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 398
From: Paragould Ar
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

Sometimes my car does this until I jiggle the key just right. Just waiting for the day it leaves me stranded. So far it always starts, so Im going with if it aint broke dont fix it lol.
Old Mar 11, 2006 | 11:05 PM
  #8  
MachinistOne's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,001
From: Bay Area, CA
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

Thanks for the info guys. Especially thank you to Shoebox, your tech website absolutely rocks. This will be the second time it has helped me out by being able to find the problem and the procedure to fix it in half the time it would take me otherwise. The detail and pictures you include are a great asset. I did the resistor bypass this morning and the security light went out, and she fired right up. Thank You very much.
Old Mar 11, 2006 | 11:59 PM
  #9  
Z95m6's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 6,070
From: newton, kansas, USA
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

Originally Posted by MachinistOne
Thanks for the info guys. Especially thank you to Shoebox, your tech website absolutely rocks. This will be the second time it has helped me out by being able to find the problem and the procedure to fix it in half the time it would take me otherwise. The detail and pictures you include are a great asset. I did the resistor bypass this morning and the security light went out, and she fired right up. Thank You very much.
if you get a chance get it programmed out of your PCM too that'll take care of the fuel issue. If i understand correctly there are 2 ways vats can screw you, either through starting the car or cutting off fuel. What you fixed allows it to always crank but i believe things can still mess up and cut the fuel later on too. I'm sure shoebox will correct me if i'm wrong.
Old Mar 12, 2006 | 09:10 PM
  #10  
shoebox's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 1969
Posts: 27,725
From: Little Rock, AR
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

Originally Posted by Z95m6
if you get a chance get it programmed out of your PCM too that'll take care of the fuel issue. If i understand correctly there are 2 ways vats can screw you, either through starting the car or cutting off fuel. What you fixed allows it to always crank but i believe things can still mess up and cut the fuel later on too. I'm sure shoebox will correct me if i'm wrong.
You don't need any correcting. The problem with not reading the key pellet is the most common problem.

MachinistOne: you are welcome.
Old Mar 12, 2006 | 09:53 PM
  #11  
Z95m6's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 6,070
From: newton, kansas, USA
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

Originally Posted by shoebox
You don't need any correcting. The problem with not reading the key pellet is the most common problem.

MachinistOne: you are welcome.

Good it shows i'm learning something around here. I found this out the hardway that programming it out of the PCM doesn't really fix the whole problem.
Old Mar 13, 2006 | 04:02 PM
  #12  
94Z28/SSw's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 152
From: Nebraska
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

I can tell you right now it is your ignition switch. Same thing happened to me right before christmas. Instead of buying a new switch, I by-passed the VATS system. Good luck.
Old Mar 14, 2006 | 01:40 AM
  #13  
khojo16's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 459
From: Stratford, NJ
Re: Help! No start - VATS On

same problem happened to me about a week ago...got a new key made, didnt work...by-passed the system, didnt work...cleaned the contacts, didnt work,...another really good possibility is ur BCM or VATS control module might have gone bad...i bought a new one and replaced it and the car fired up like brand new...if u do this and it works...the BCM recognizes the resitance value of the first key u start the car up with and it remembers that resistance value so make sure you know the value of that resistor of the first key you use in case u decide to get spares made...its and easy plug and play fix if its the bcm...located behind the glove box to the right hand side...best way is to take out the glove box and remove the under dash kick panel...that way u can see where ur working through the glove box area and operate from underneath....good luck
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Noer
Parts For Sale
4
Feb 28, 2015 11:29 AM
Lakebratt
Fuel and Ignition
5
Feb 5, 2015 07:55 PM
Amshnock
Fuel and Ignition
14
Jan 18, 2015 11:47 AM
Fedesna
Parts For Sale
0
Nov 23, 2014 11:06 AM
Black Sunshine/ 00SS
Midwest
13
Aug 24, 2002 03:41 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:18 AM.