No crank, no spark, no fuel, no SES light
07-02-2018, 11:05 PM
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No crank, no spark, no fuel, no SES light
hello everyone, I am new here and I just purchased a 1994 camaro Z28. But that car does have its issues. The car had no spark, no crank, and no fuel. I have changed my ignition coil and ignition module but still no spark. I have checked all grounds as well. I also have changed the steering column to try and see if this would solve the no crank issue, sadly it did not. I also changed the fuel pump, and when the key is turned to on, I don’t hear a prime. Also, when the key is turned to on, half my dash lights don’t turn on, like the security and service engine soon light. I have checked to see if it would need a new bulb but even with a new one, no light from those. I was going through the car and found some wires in the back I am unsure of what they go to but I feel like have something to do with my issues. I am unsure how to post those pictures of those wires but they are on the drivers side back quarter panel. I will use a computer later and try and post those pictures but if anyone is able to help about the no spark, no crank, no fuel issue that would be greatly appreciated. By the way I have done my research and could not find any solutions to my problem that is why I am making this post but if you have a sub forum with possible solutions, please link. Thank you everyone
07-03-2018, 03:31 PM
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Re: No crank, no spark, no fuel, no SES light
When you say you replaced the steering column, do you mean the complete column, or just the ignition switch? Did you examine your ignition switch harness connector for loose, melted or burned contacts.
The wires “in the back”... do you mean inside the vehicle or on the underside? The fuel pump harness penetrates the chassis behind the rear seat. The pump and level sender connects on the underside, in front of the rear axle.
Courtesy of Shoebox:
http://shbox.com/1/fuel_pump_wiring.jpg
http://shbox.com/1/fuel_pump_testing.jpg
Do you have a copy of the factory service manual? Free download:
Courtesy of GaryDoug
https://www.mediafire.com/?40mfgeoe4ctti
Have you tried to scan for PCM codes? That will tell you if the PCM is getting power.
The wires “in the back”... do you mean inside the vehicle or on the underside? The fuel pump harness penetrates the chassis behind the rear seat. The pump and level sender connects on the underside, in front of the rear axle.
Courtesy of Shoebox:
http://shbox.com/1/fuel_pump_wiring.jpg
http://shbox.com/1/fuel_pump_testing.jpg
Do you have a copy of the factory service manual? Free download:
Courtesy of GaryDoug
https://www.mediafire.com/?40mfgeoe4ctti
Have you tried to scan for PCM codes? That will tell you if the PCM is getting power.
07-04-2018, 04:48 PM
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Re: No crank, no spark, no fuel, no SES light
When you say you replaced the steering column, do you mean the complete column, or just the ignition switch? Did you examine your ignition switch harness connector for loose, melted or burned contacts.
The wires “in the back”... do you mean inside the vehicle or on the underside? The fuel pump harness penetrates the chassis behind the rear seat. The pump and level sender connects on the underside, in front of the rear axle.
Courtesy of Shoebox:
http://shbox.com/1/fuel_pump_wiring.jpg
http://shbox.com/1/fuel_pump_testing.jpg
Do you have a copy of the factory service manual? Free download:
Courtesy of GaryDoug
https://www.mediafire.com/?40mfgeoe4ctti
Have you tried to scan for PCM codes? That will tell you if the PCM is getting power.
The wires “in the back”... do you mean inside the vehicle or on the underside? The fuel pump harness penetrates the chassis behind the rear seat. The pump and level sender connects on the underside, in front of the rear axle.
Courtesy of Shoebox:
http://shbox.com/1/fuel_pump_wiring.jpg
http://shbox.com/1/fuel_pump_testing.jpg
Do you have a copy of the factory service manual? Free download:
Courtesy of GaryDoug
https://www.mediafire.com/?40mfgeoe4ctti
Have you tried to scan for PCM codes? That will tell you if the PCM is getting power.
I have tried scanning for codes and without the SES light, I do not know what codes are showing. I also thought the pcm might have been bricked so I pulled one from a 94 Buick road master to try for spark, still nothing. About the steering column, I replace the whole steering column from a 94 firbird
07-04-2018, 07:54 PM
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Re: No crank, no spark, no fuel, no SES light
If you pulled the power to the PCM, you lost any stored codes. SES light working or not does not affect the ability to pull codes with an OBD-1 scanner. In fact, one of the codes is for the SES light circuit. 94 needs the scanner. Last year you could flash codes on the SES light, by shorting the DLC pins was 93.
The point in trying the scanner was to see if it could communicate with the PCM. If it does, you have verified power to the PCM, whether there are codes or not. What kind of scanner do you have?
You need to trace the ignition circuit to find out how far from the battery the 12 Volts is getting. This is a 95 ignition switch schematic, and a 95 starter circuit schematic. Virtually identical to 94. Note the use of fusible links at the red plastic battery “+” terminal box.
Courtesy of Shoebox
http://shbox.com/1/ignswschematic.jpg
http://shbox.com/1/starter_charging_95.jpg
You can test the fuel pump circuit, bypassing the relay and interlock to the PCM/VATS by connecting 12 Volts to the fuel pump prime connector next to the PCM:
http://shbox.com/1/fuel_pump_prime.jpg
The point in trying the scanner was to see if it could communicate with the PCM. If it does, you have verified power to the PCM, whether there are codes or not. What kind of scanner do you have?
You need to trace the ignition circuit to find out how far from the battery the 12 Volts is getting. This is a 95 ignition switch schematic, and a 95 starter circuit schematic. Virtually identical to 94. Note the use of fusible links at the red plastic battery “+” terminal box.
Courtesy of Shoebox
http://shbox.com/1/ignswschematic.jpg
http://shbox.com/1/starter_charging_95.jpg
You can test the fuel pump circuit, bypassing the relay and interlock to the PCM/VATS by connecting 12 Volts to the fuel pump prime connector next to the PCM:
http://shbox.com/1/fuel_pump_prime.jpg
07-05-2018, 09:19 AM
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Re: No crank, no spark, no fuel, no SES light
According to the 1994 Service Manual, this car has a Theft Protection Module that reads the resistance of the key pellet like on later models with a BCM. It may be possible the Theft Protection Module is bad. Changing the column with a different ignition switch and key could also cause the symptoms of no spark, no fuel and no crank, wouldn't it. May also want to check fuses 4 & 5 in the IP Fuse Block for the power supply to the module. I've attached schematics from 94 service manual for the Theft Protection System that may help.
Last edited by peterpar; 07-05-2018 at 09:39 AM.
07-05-2018, 09:47 AM
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Re: No crank, no spark, no fuel, no SES light
Shoebox has a guide to the PASS-Key II system. Unfortunately, with the “SECURITY” light not coming on in bulb check position, diagnosis is somewhat hampered.
4th Gen LT1 F-Body Tech-PassKey/VATS
4th Gen LT1 F-Body Tech-PassKey/VATS
07-05-2018, 09:57 AM
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Re: No crank, no spark, no fuel, no SES light
After looking deeper into the IP fuses, circuit # 4 and 5 controls not only the Theft Protection Module, but the PCM, Fuel Pump and Instrument cluster. I would check these fuses first. This may explain no lights or codes. The security light gets a ground from the Theft Protection Module to energize the dash light if the module has power applied. The drawings do not show that the light is getting a ground path from any other source for the test bulb portion of the ignition on. Therefore I'm assuming when the ignition switch is turned to the on position, the module is powered on and a timed relay within the module closes the ground contact to energize the light for the test. If this is the case and the module has no power applied or is bad, the light test function wouldn't operate along with the fuel enable and starter circuits.
Last edited by peterpar; 07-05-2018 at 01:31 PM.
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