Ribbed-belt slippage estimate - calc's within
Ribbed-belt slippage estimate - calc's within
I was doing some blower calc's and found a possible problem.
I have a T-trim with a 6.66" crank and 2.75" blower pulley. According to Vortech's website impeller speed calculator, at 6,800 rpm, my impeller speed is 57,000 rpm. This is 4% overspeed, but probably OK.
Here's the problem: when I use Vortech's T-trim compressor map, the numbers don't match.
On the Y-axis, you have pressure ratio. This is P2/P1, in absolute pressure. So, at 13 psi boost, I get
(13+14.7)/14.7 = 1.88
On the X-axis, you have mass flow rate. My MAF max's out at 521 gms/sec. I assumed that the engine may reach 575 gm/s at peak. Convert that to lb/min:
575/454*60 = 76 lb/min
Now, find the point on the chart that coincides with a pressure ratio of 1.88 and 76 lb/min, and you find an efficiency of 70.X%
and 43,000 impeller rpm
.
So, if the belt/gear step-up says it should spin 57,000 rpm, but the compressor map says it's only performing at 43,000 rpm, then the belt must be slipping 23%???
Anybody else run through this exercise?
Does this amount of slippage sound right?
Mike
I have a T-trim with a 6.66" crank and 2.75" blower pulley. According to Vortech's website impeller speed calculator, at 6,800 rpm, my impeller speed is 57,000 rpm. This is 4% overspeed, but probably OK.
Here's the problem: when I use Vortech's T-trim compressor map, the numbers don't match.
On the Y-axis, you have pressure ratio. This is P2/P1, in absolute pressure. So, at 13 psi boost, I get
(13+14.7)/14.7 = 1.88
On the X-axis, you have mass flow rate. My MAF max's out at 521 gms/sec. I assumed that the engine may reach 575 gm/s at peak. Convert that to lb/min:
575/454*60 = 76 lb/min
Now, find the point on the chart that coincides with a pressure ratio of 1.88 and 76 lb/min, and you find an efficiency of 70.X%
and 43,000 impeller rpm
.So, if the belt/gear step-up says it should spin 57,000 rpm, but the compressor map says it's only performing at 43,000 rpm, then the belt must be slipping 23%???

Anybody else run through this exercise?
Does this amount of slippage sound right?
Mike
At 6,800 crank rpm, the 6.66 x 2.75 pulley set up should spin the blower pulley at +/- 16,500 rpm.
23% slippage would make for +/- 3,900 rpm worth of slip ... I think you would see definite evidence, like dust or smoke if the belt was really slipping that much.
More likely IMO is that the internal tolerances are out a bit and the compressor unit is not as efficient as Vortech claims it to be due to the manufacturing tolerances. I've seen that occurance on a T-trim blower car in the area, chased all sorts of things down looking for lost boost, finally they sent back the "brand new T-trim" to Vortech ... blower came back ... and all of a sudden they were making 6 psi more boost.
Hope this helps
LWM
23% slippage would make for +/- 3,900 rpm worth of slip ... I think you would see definite evidence, like dust or smoke if the belt was really slipping that much.
More likely IMO is that the internal tolerances are out a bit and the compressor unit is not as efficient as Vortech claims it to be due to the manufacturing tolerances. I've seen that occurance on a T-trim blower car in the area, chased all sorts of things down looking for lost boost, finally they sent back the "brand new T-trim" to Vortech ... blower came back ... and all of a sudden they were making 6 psi more boost.
Hope this helps
LWM
Nice thing to know because rebuilding these units its not cheap...
I do think belt will slip quite a bit with a 6.66" crank pulley... step up to a 7"?
I would love to know what have you gotten out of your setup lately... in termos of power and mph.
I do think belt will slip quite a bit with a 6.66" crank pulley... step up to a 7"?
I would love to know what have you gotten out of your setup lately... in termos of power and mph.
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