I hope I am not overstepping here by posting a link to another board, if so please let me know and I will delete my post.

Ok, please go to the link provided and put in your .02 I would like to see a lot more people involved in the ideas of this, the more people that put in their input the better. Thank you for your time.
http://www.ls1tech.com/threads/showf...b=5&o=&fpart=1

 

Lynda..I'm 95 Formula over there. So I guess everyone can see my opinion. I just thing index racing is glorified bracket racing. I can do that at home and not travel 100s of miles and spend 100s of dollers to do it. Heads up racing encourages advancing your setup which will drive the R&D by companies to come out with better parts for us to use.

 

I agree that we need a place to race, and I am a big fan of index racing, old style NMCA index racing that is. Sure everybody wants to run heads up, but I and alot of others can't afford to build a car that will be competitive in such classes. This is where I see index racing as a bridge between heads up and bracket racing. Now just to clarify myself, when I say index racing I'm talking that 14 sec cars run 14 sec cars and 11 sec cars run 11 sec cars not that handicapped tree BS the new NMCA is trying to pull off as index racing. You run cars with the same indexes together,1/4, .500 pro tree side by side to the finish line. I flatout love this type of racing and before the new NMCA totally f***ed it up I was traveling all over the eastern seaboard from PA to FL to race in these events and I'll do it again along with several of my buddies if you implement this type of racing.

Randy

 

I see a need for a bracket or an index race to go along with the heads up stuff. I work on bracket cars as well as headsup stuff. What kills me about the LS1 guys is that they want a race but they dont want the standard sbc involved. They are killing the outlaw classes by doing this. They have deleted 5 of the fastest cars that have showed at the races so far. Myself, Baxter, Guido, Matt Swindle and others showed the potential of the stock block stuff and maxed those combos out. Why do we want to slow down now and build a LS1 or LT1 that wont handle the pressure.

 

Lynda, I read that yesterday at the other site. Thank you for posting it over here.

My own opinion is (besides "here we go aagain"), the key is marketing, consistency of rules, a hook, and people will come. The establishment of an event is less about racing than entertainment. Everybody has preferences and choices, some like heads up, some like index, some like brackets, most of us will find something to complain about.

I say get once decent sponsor to put up some $$$$, have a heads up and a bracket class, get one magazine to cover the event, and you jave a hook and motivation. Have another sponsor buy lunch for a group instead of paying a vendor entry fee. Make this event something unique and it will grow and prosper.

 

I agree with that, it also takes good payouts too

 

They are doing that because they want the ls1 to win all classes. They want a peice of the pie is what I think is going on. When the hell did it become the ls1tech.com series and they start rulling out everything but a ls1/lt1. Notice how it does include tonys new car though..a ls1 powered first gen. I do see a need for some index classes or bracket race for the guys that fall threw the holes in a heads up race. I don't like tonys breaks for the index classes though and the rules for the heads up class are worse than the rules last year for the thunder heads up classes. Maybe a small cubic inch..heads and cam guys don't want to run index(bracket) races and are going to be outgunned in his classes. I also feel that index racing is glorified bracket racing. All your doing is being froced on what you dial in. The pro tree does throw a different slant into things. You forced to run the bottom of the index or you will be on the trailer heading home after the first round. So its going to be a bunch of cars that can run .2 to .3 under the index that have slowed their cars down and are sandbagging.

 

Part of that hook is having cars there that will draw a crowd. Cars people want to see. EVERYONE knows madman, baxter, etc. and they will all be out with the current rules.

 

Quite frankly, in the NMCA EFI INDEX classes, very rarely do they get more than one car per index. Hence in order to form some kind of field, they have to handicap.

The plain fact is NMCA EFI is a base roots type of racing, for the little guy. If you got the bux to build a heads up class car than NMCA can take care of you too!

Don't slam ANYONE whom gives the little guy a place to race.
Build your high dollar car, take it to a National Event and find out you need to put another $7500 into it to be competitive because
you are about .4 and 5 MPH off of the pace.

Racing needs little people. Index or Bracket racers are the backbone of every dragstrip or orignization. Just my .02! If I'm just uddering BS, read my signature. I was for three years
VERY good at what I did.

 

Only so many people will come because of the cars. Time has shown that spectators represent the true profit dollars of an event. Also, bracket racers get the car count up (entry fees). Have a heads up for the feature and a bracket race for the rest. Sure some people want to be indexed, but do you want to create the event or just have a one time pop that doesn't generate enough revenue to perpetuate itself? The time spent figuring out the logistics of multiple classes and specs could be better spent on promotion and getting sponsors in my own cheap and humble opinion.

 

well i actually consider myself one of this little guys, or maybe i am just in the middle somewhere, i do spend lots of time and money on my car, but my car is not and probably never will be near as fast as a H/C car, it is still stock internal and I plan to keep it that way for a while but I am more leaning towards the heads up classes, i guess to me I like to run people with the same or similar mods as me to see who is the best. I want to see someone win a class because they were the fastest in that class not because a heavy weight H/C car ran a 12.0 and against a SI car that ran a 12.1. But hey that is just me. I actually was all for index racing until I actually tried it. Now the only thing I like about index racing is there are no rules about what kind of exhaust you have, weather you are N/A or not, how much your cars weighs, etc.

 

Cane, You and I are of the same mindset. I would rather race heads up and get beat by someone with a car of equal setup than to have a poorly build modified car that slow his car down .2 and race bolt on cars in that index. Index racing is all about being well under your index and slowing it down on race day untill your about .1 under ..then lift at the end. Rairly do you see cars go all out and hit dead on. There are some out there..but they are the same cars that all out will run .3-.5 under the index. The just have a better setup and have their "tricks" down pat to run dead on without having to lift. NMCA is a perfect example. The points leader runs 10.0 index...in the EFI Quick 8 he ran a 9.2. He just tunes his nitrous during TNT through his computer to run 10.00x. I too am one of the little guys. Ive been to two heads up events. I won my class at the NFRA event(LT1 heads up) and placed 2nd in class at the thunder event(modified street manual). At the tunder race I just got beat by a faster car..thats the way it is. But all year I have been tweeking this..changing that..improving something else to be able to go after the guy. All in the spirit of competition. I think heads up racing just brings out the "RACER" in us more. I know I try much harder than in the index race I ran in. For it I just filled my tank up..took some bite out of the car and shortshifted every gear to slow my car down to the 11.5 index. Just my .02. Not worth much..but thats how I feel

 

hmmm i was just a the Bowling green n vs south event, 1st gen with ls1, carbed 4th gens, etc. too bad you feel that way. i like the idea of making the most of stock block and pcm, and suspension.

too bad for those who didn't make it. yeah just my .02

 

How is this really that much different that NHRA Top Fuel or Funny Car ... there everyone has essentially the same car and it's just a matter of how well you tune for conditions to get the most out of it.

In one event everyone starts with the same machine and tunes it to see who can go the fastest ... in the other everyone takes any machine and tunes to see who can hit a specific time ... either way it comes down to your abilty to tune your car and the driver to drive the tune.

All this other talk about how heads up is real racing, is really posturing to get an advantage by either taking the tuning or the driver out of the equation.

But that's just my opinion ...

 

Top fuel and funny car run all out..heads up...fastest car wins. They can't loose for going to fast like in an index class. If anything heads up racing puts the tunning in more than anything else. Its how fast can you make your car..not how much can you sandbag or slow down to hit an index et. Like I said..that car that was tuning his nitrous for 10.0s...ran 9.2 later than night full out. With more tuning I'm sure he could have been in the 9.1 or 9.0 range. The next day..he just stuck his previous tune back in the car...changed his nitrous jets..and was right back at 10.0s