How to tell if it is a real 1967 SS
#1
How to tell if it is a real 1967 SS
I was wondering how I find out if this car I am looking to buy is a real SS. Any help or input would be great! Thanks guys
Here is the information on the plaque....
VIN# 124377L113417
11A A486
ST 67-12637 LOS 4594 A-A
TR765-2
W 2EMG 3K
Body By Fisher
Here is the information on the plaque....
VIN# 124377L113417
11A A486
ST 67-12637 LOS 4594 A-A
TR765-2
W 2EMG 3K
Body By Fisher
#2
Bottom line on this is, there is no way of telling, everything can be faked.
What you should be looking at is the sellers provenance. In other words does he have original documentation proving this is a real original SS.
P.S. Even the documentation can be faked. Several people were scammed at a resent Barret/Jackson aution. But at least with the correct car and the documentation you have a chance.
What you should be looking at is the sellers provenance. In other words does he have original documentation proving this is a real original SS.
P.S. Even the documentation can be faked. Several people were scammed at a resent Barret/Jackson aution. But at least with the correct car and the documentation you have a chance.
Last edited by Z28SORR; 01-08-2008 at 03:17 PM.
#6
mine is a SS clone, all the badgeing....everything eles is aftermarket.....
i would actually be a little upset if mine was a real SS due to the fact the only thing still from 1967 is the subframes and body (most of the body)
there are tricks. Ask the guys at Camaros.net.....they know their shyt when it comes to 1st gen
if i remember right there is the vin the door jam and the tag in the engine bay that should say if it's an SS. Think it should be rivited on or possibly two tack welds. Easy to fake though....
#7
from what I see
Vin # 124377L
4= V-8
7= 1967
L= Van Nuys,Ca
some of the trim tag #'s dont make since, but this is what I can make out
11A= Nov. 1st week
ST-67= 1967
12637=Sport Coupe Custom Interior
LOS= Van Nuys,Ca.
TR765-2(I belive 2 should be Z)=Black Interior, Bucket Seats
A-A=Black Ext. Paint
W= Tinted Windsheld
2EMG= A/C,TH-400,Center Console
3K= RPO Z21 (style trim group)
For more info check out this site
http://www.chevy-camaro.com/chevy-ca...ecode-1967.asp
Vin # 124377L
4= V-8
7= 1967
L= Van Nuys,Ca
some of the trim tag #'s dont make since, but this is what I can make out
11A= Nov. 1st week
ST-67= 1967
12637=Sport Coupe Custom Interior
LOS= Van Nuys,Ca.
TR765-2(I belive 2 should be Z)=Black Interior, Bucket Seats
A-A=Black Ext. Paint
W= Tinted Windsheld
2EMG= A/C,TH-400,Center Console
3K= RPO Z21 (style trim group)
For more info check out this site
http://www.chevy-camaro.com/chevy-ca...ecode-1967.asp
#10
1 = Chevrolet
2 = Camaro
4 = 8-cylinder engine
37 = coupe body
7 = 1967 model year
L = Los Angeles, CA assembly plant (Van Nuys)
113417 = vehicle serial number sequence
Decode for body number: 004594
11A = Built the First week of November.
67-12637 = Custom Interior Coupe.
LOS = Built in Van Nuys California.
765 = Custom Black Bucket Seats.
Z = (A50) Strato Bucket Seats (without headrests).
A-A = Car Color is Tuxedo Black
A486 = internal plant scheduling code.
Options:
1W = (A02) Tinted W/S only
2E = (C60) Air Conditioner
2M = (M35) Powerglide Transmission
2G = (D55) Console front compartment
3K = (Z21) Deluxe exterior trim
While most SS-350s should have a 4P code as well, as an early build car it is still possible that it did not get the 4P code. (Assuming it is a 350, does it have the original block? If so, what's the engine code?)
2M is definitely a Powerglide. Its far too early to be a TH400 any way.
http://www.camaros.org is the best source for 1st gen information.
2 = Camaro
4 = 8-cylinder engine
37 = coupe body
7 = 1967 model year
L = Los Angeles, CA assembly plant (Van Nuys)
113417 = vehicle serial number sequence
Decode for body number: 004594
11A = Built the First week of November.
67-12637 = Custom Interior Coupe.
LOS = Built in Van Nuys California.
765 = Custom Black Bucket Seats.
Z = (A50) Strato Bucket Seats (without headrests).
A-A = Car Color is Tuxedo Black
A486 = internal plant scheduling code.
Options:
1W = (A02) Tinted W/S only
2E = (C60) Air Conditioner
2M = (M35) Powerglide Transmission
2G = (D55) Console front compartment
3K = (Z21) Deluxe exterior trim
While most SS-350s should have a 4P code as well, as an early build car it is still possible that it did not get the 4P code. (Assuming it is a 350, does it have the original block? If so, what's the engine code?)
2M is definitely a Powerglide. Its far too early to be a TH400 any way.
http://www.camaros.org is the best source for 1st gen information.
Last edited by jg95z28; 01-15-2008 at 03:08 PM.
#11
2M is definitely a Powerglide. Its far too early to be a TH400 any way.
http://www.camaros.org is the best source for 1st gen information.
Did you read this from the site you posted
"At the LOS factory, the 2M code was applied to any automatic transmission, including the M40 (e.g., the 2Z code was not used). At the NOR factory, this code was only applied to M35 transmissions that were in combination with the D55 console."
And it should have the 4P code if it was built in Nov. and had a 350
From your site
"The 4P code was not used at the start of production at either the Van Nuys plant or the Norwood plant. Van Nuys started using the 4P code on the SS350 cars in September, but Norwood didn't start using the 4P code until October. Early Van Nuys SS350 cars and Norwood SS350 cars built before October will not have the 4P code to verify that they are SS's."
And it says the same thing on the site I posted
For the 2M code it says (LOS - TH400 it is thought), and Z - TH400 3-speed Automatic (NOR only it is thought).
They put TH-400 in 67 and up Camaros
Just curious why it would be to early to be a TH-400
This is from the site I posted
"Location K - Option Information (2)
B - three-speed on floor
E - air conditioning
G - center console
H - heater delete
L - four-speed manual transmission
M - Powerglide transmission (LOS - TH400 it is thought)
R - rear seat speaker
S - rear antenna
U - eight-track/multiplex
Z - TH400 3-speed Automatic (NOR only it is thought)
Note: "2" appears as a trim tag location identifier on Camaros with one of the above options but is not an option code itself."
Last edited by firebird69racer; 01-20-2008 at 09:40 PM.
#12
The TH-400 was a late model year addition. The car in question is a November (1966) built car. I also have a November (1966) Van Nuys built Camaro, it is also a 2M code, and it also has a powerglide. Furthermore TH-400 was only available with a 396 in 1967. This car is definitely not a 396.
Last edited by jg95z28; 01-20-2008 at 09:38 PM.
#13
FWIW, the site you posted is less than accurate on a lot of things. http://www.camaros.org is the most accurate source for first gens Camaros out there.