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Old May 15, 2007 | 10:16 PM
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Few cars have been as eagerly anticipated or made as big an impact as Honda's Civic Type R. The British-built sensation saw off all-comers in a first test against key rivals in Issue 946, and established itself as Auto Express's favourite hot hatch in the process.

Now there's worse news for the opposition. The Japanese firm has created the Type R-R, an even more focused version of the class winner, and a spiritual successor to Ford's Escort Cosworth - and it looks set to kick the Focus ST into touch! We were first to put it to the test.

Its basis is a standard Type R, but a series of modifications swell engine power and reduce kerbweight.

Honda has stripped out the cabin, removing anything that isn't absolutely necessary in the name of shedding the pounds. Gone is the stereo, and for the moment sound deadening is absent, too. The standard seats have now been replaced with figure-hugging racing items, and what these lack in adjustability they make up for by giving a sportier, lower driving position than in the regular car. The racy feeling from behind the wheel is suitably amplified when you press the dash-mounted starter.

As the engine bursts into life, it sounds far more raucous than that of the standard model. Bosses were adamant the original Type R didn't need buckets of power, yet engineers clearly couldn't help themselves when it came to specifying the R-R's motor.

Thanks to careful tuning, this car kicks out a tyre-burning 260bhp. It's the same basic i-VTEC 2.0-litre unit, but Honda has reduced friction on the internals and redesigned the camshafts. However, the greatest power gains have come from electronic improvements made using the ECU to operate the VTEC system.

Now, the engine doesn't go into fuel-sipping mode at lower revs, improving throttle response as a result. Meanwhile, the VTEC set-up cuts in at 5,100rpm instead of 5,400rpm. So rather than the perceptible increase in power you get when VTEC is unleashed on the standard model, the R-R's engine feels stronger throughout the rev range thanks to a 30 per cent hike in torque. Combining a compliant ride with taut handling is one of the standard hot Civic's greatest attributes. And although this car's suspension has been revised to give it more focused handling, it still rides bumps surprisingly well.

Probably the biggest change is to the steering. It has been made even more responsive, so the smallest input to the Alcantara-clad wheel has an immediate impact on the vehicle's position on the road. However, you do have to put your faith in the system because it's lacking in feedback, particularly at low speeds. Still, the car's handling remains nimble and sure-footed.

Another area that doesn't fall short on the standard model is the gear-change. Yet while the original is a manual, this car gets a six-speed sequential unit. You use the clutch to start off, and then simply pull the lever back to shift up and push it forwards to go down through the box.

Changes are made in only 80 milliseconds, which gives a brutal edge to the Type R-R, particularly as the steering wheel writhes with every upshift. Considering how much extra power is going through the front wheels, traction is remarkable. You'd expect to spend a lot of time sitting in a cloud of expensive tyre smoke, but engineers have been careful to tune the suspension so that does not happen. Instead, the car gets on with the job of entertaining its driver with even more purpose than the standard car.

Our drive has left us in no doubt that Honda's Civic is the undisputed hot hatch champion. With more power, it just gets better!






Old May 15, 2007 | 10:38 PM
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Roofscoop on a FWD car =

Just looking at that I wonder if ANYTHING is shared b/t the US Civic and the overseas version. It looks shorter in length and has tiny overhangs by comparison.
Old May 15, 2007 | 11:19 PM
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Don't care for the roof scoop at all....

..but, I really like the looks of the Euro Civic hatch. Futuristic, rakish, and very sporty looking, and better in person than pics.
Old May 15, 2007 | 11:26 PM
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roof snorkel is to supply the driver with extra oxygen when the vtec kicks in yo!
Old May 15, 2007 | 11:29 PM
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Thanks to careful tuning, this car kicks out a tyre-burning 260bhp. unit, but
OMG!!11!1! 260 stampeding horses!!
people strap turbos on those things and make like 400, why cant they?
Now, the engine doesn't go into fuel-sipping mode at lower revs, improving throttle response as a result. Meanwhile, the VTEC set-up cuts in at 5,100rpm instead of 5,400rpm.
so it gets worse gas milage, and only makes 260hp, and the VTEC still doesnt kick in till 5,100rpms? why didnt they just make the vtec kick in right off idle, or something?
Old May 15, 2007 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by VladimirSteel
OMG!!11!1! 260 stampeding horses!!
idk if I would want to offer much more than 260 fwd horses to the general public if I were a manufacturer

Originally Posted by VladimirSteel
people strap turbos on those things and make like 400, why cant they?
I think it has something to do with turbos hurting emissions, but I could easily be wrong...

Originally Posted by VladimirSteel
so it gets worse gas milage, and only makes 260hp, and the VTEC still doesnt kick in till 5,100rpms? why didnt they just make the vtec kick in right off idle, or something?
Again, I'm not the resident vtec expert, but I think that having the vtec on from idle would make the powerband pretty craptastic until 5100 rpm and up. The point is to make the most out of both ends of the hp/torque curves... and I mean "hp" and "torque" in the loosest senses of the terms...
Old May 16, 2007 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by VladimirSteel
OMG!!11!1! 260 stampeding horses!!
people strap turbos on those things and make like 400, why cant they?

so it gets worse gas milage, and only makes 260hp, and the VTEC still doesnt kick in till 5,100rpms? why didnt they just make the vtec kick in right off idle, or something?
Maybe they need some more length, girth, and pushrods...



Im sure it feels fun in that little car though. Sorta like a small moped or a fat girl.....
Old May 16, 2007 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by VladimirSteel
OMG!!11!1! 260 stampeding horses!!
people strap turbos on those things and make like 400, why cant they?

so it gets worse gas milage, and only makes 260hp, and the VTEC still doesnt kick in till 5,100rpms? why didnt they just make the vtec kick in right off idle, or something?
Whats the weight of the vehicle, if this thing is close or under 3,000 lbs it should be reasonably quick, also if - whats the point of having V-TEC if it kicks in right off of idle - might as well lock the cams in or eleminate the added complexity as well as suffer a peaky powerband and be forced to drive the thig like it was trying to run away from a horny elephant in order to get it to respond.
Old May 16, 2007 | 06:10 AM
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Glad I won't be having to see any of them. They can keep that craptastic automobile.
Old May 16, 2007 | 06:13 AM
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I dunno, in spirit it represents at least what alot of people want to option an F5 like to reduce weight and increase performance
Old May 16, 2007 | 07:16 AM
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It shares nothing with the U.S. Civic. IIRC, it shares it's chassis with the Honda Fit.

It's just one more car for ricers to drool over.
Old May 16, 2007 | 07:46 AM
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That thing's got more R's than a pirate's vocabulary. I don't really like the looks of it, especially in the back. It's very bulky looking back there.
Old May 16, 2007 | 08:10 AM
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Notice they don't tell you how much torque it has.
Old May 16, 2007 | 09:14 AM
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roof snorkel is to supply the driver with extra oxygen when the vtec kicks in yo!

I agree with the others, I don't like it, it is way out of place.
Old May 16, 2007 | 09:26 AM
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Doing a search to find out just how little torque this thing has, I ran across a few Honda boards. Apparently, the Civic Type R-R is not a factory deal. An aftermarket tuner put it together, with their own parts, and Honda's blessing. Auto Express got trigger-happy, thinking it was a Honda factory effort.



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