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91_z28_4me Mar 26, 2010 02:41 PM

Spied: Ford Explorer
 
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-...d-Rover-style/


Ford Explorer (2011) gains Land Rover style

By Tim Pollard

Spyshots

26 March 2010 13:47

This is Ford's new 2011 Explorer – and we think you'll agree there's more than a dash of Land Rover about the Blue Oval's new SUV, codenamed U502.

It's a new unibody design geared up for on-road performance above mud-plugging. And that design is clear for all to see, after a 'gust of wind' apparently blew the covers off this test vehicle. We're always suspicious about such claims (a publicity stunt, cynics may ask?) but there's no disputing the result.

Yep, there's more than a hint of Land Rover Discovery/Freelander to it!

Perhaps Ford kept the secret potions and lotions from the Gaydon design studio when it sold Land Rover to Tata... There's certainly something boxy and architectural about the new 2011 Explorer. That front three-quarters shot looks a spitting image of the Freelander. And is that a hint of old-school Merc ML in the raked C-pillar?

The big news with the new Ford Explorer, which will be shown at a motor show in summer 2010 not in New York next week, is the switch from a ladder chassis to unitary construction. It's designed to trim fuel consumption by a claimed 25%, according to Ford insiders.

The D4 platform architecture is the same as the hardware underpinning the Ford Flex and Lincoln MKT. Likely engines include a 230bhp 2.0-litre EcoBoost engine and a naturally aspirated 285bhp 3.5-litre V6 petrol.

Inside are three rows of seats, including occasional sixth and seventh pews. The rear seats will feature a world first: seatbelt airbags, to reduce the risk of injury in severe shunts and submarining. They inflate in the blink of an eye and share the crash energy over five times greater a body area to spread the load.

No Mercury or Lincoln derivatives of the Explorer are likely this time round. The new Ford Explorer will be built in the Chicago, US factory. It's a big launch for Ford; it's sold more than 6 million Explorers since launch in 1990 and has been America's best-selling mid-size SUV for 15 of the past 19 years.

And what's all this about a new Ford concept car?

That'll be the new show car being readied for the 2010 Beijing motor show in a month's time. On 25 April Ford will unveil its first car designed and developed especially for the Chinese car market – in a move mirroring GM's new EN-V concept car which it developed with its Chinese partner SAIC.

We're not sure yet what the new 2010 Ford concept car is, but hear it'll 'be of interest' to Europeans. A Fiesta derivative, perchance?
Pics at link.

Edit: Left Lane News has WAY more pictures.

Z28x Mar 26, 2010 02:52 PM

Looks good. If it can get 30mpg from the Turbo I4 then it will be a huge hit. Ford needs to shake the Explorers old gas pig SUV image.

z28 justin Mar 26, 2010 04:21 PM

No 4WD, what's the point? I loved my 92 Explorer. 4.0L with a 5-speed. It was fun to drive and could go anywhere I needed it to anytime I needed it to. I hate these crossover remakes, some of us still like the utility the old systems provided but don't need a full-size truck

Z28x Mar 26, 2010 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by z28 justin (Post 6312034)
No 4WD, what's the point?

AWD will do a better job for what 99% of the people use the vehicle for, slippery roads.

Koz Mar 26, 2010 08:52 PM

Looks good.

camaro_guy_z28 Mar 27, 2010 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by z28 justin (Post 6312034)
No 4WD, what's the point? I loved my 92 Explorer. 4.0L with a 5-speed. It was fun to drive and could go anywhere I needed it to anytime I needed it to. I hate these crossover remakes, some of us still like the utility the old systems provided but don't need a full-size truck

Wow, somebody else who agrees with me. This is a disgrace to the explorer name, it should of been named something else so the explorer could die with some dignity. Now it will just be another lifted car. 2010 will be the last year explorer i will ever buy. I want my real SUV.

Z28x Mar 27, 2010 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by camaro_guy_z28 (Post 6312626)
Wow, somebody else who agrees with me. This is a disgrace to the explorer name, it should of been named something else so the explorer could die with some dignity. Now it will just be another lifted car. 2010 will be the last year explorer i will ever buy. I want my real SUV.

Jeep Grand Cherokee is unibody, so are a lot of Range/Land Rovers.

camaro_guy_z28 Mar 27, 2010 11:38 PM

The grand cherokee is nothing like it use to be either, the whole jeep lineup is sissified now except for the wrangler, the range rovers are extremely overpriced. Just my opinion though. You are hard pressed to find any true suv's left on the road unless you want a full size like suburban, Yukon etc etc, even these vehicles have been toned down, I blame the soccer mom's for 95% of it

z28 justin Mar 30, 2010 06:24 AM

I have no problem with AWD but they're saying FWD only is a possibility. I don't really have a problem with unibody either as long as it can still tow crap. What can this thing tow with it's car drivetrain?

Z28x Mar 30, 2010 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by z28 justin (Post 6314826)
I have no problem with AWD but they're saying FWD only is a possibility. I don't really have a problem with unibody either as long as it can still tow crap. What can this thing tow with it's car drivetrain?

The one caught in the spy shots is FWD. I imagine about 80% of the ones they sell will be AWD.

GMC Acadia tows 5200lbs. I bet Ford tries to out do GM. Maybe up to 5500-6000lbs.?

The current V6 Explorer can tow:
5,375 (4x2)
5,205 (4x4)
5,000 (AWD)

The new unibody AWD V6 will out tow the old BOF V6 AWD.

Engines will range from a 230hp to 365hp, much more than the current Explorer

Jason E Mar 30, 2010 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by camaro_guy_z28 (Post 6312984)
The grand cherokee is nothing like it use to be either, the whole jeep lineup is sissified now except for the wrangler

Ok, I GOTTA bite on this one...

What PROOF do you have that this is true?? Is this your opinion, or actual concrete fact? If its fact, I have to hear where you got it from. Other than the Compass, every Jeep offering is as capable or more capable than previous offerings...period.

z28 justin Mar 30, 2010 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by Jason E (Post 6315738)
Ok, I GOTTA bite on this one...

What PROOF do you have that this is true?? Is this your opinion, or actual concrete fact? If its fact, I have to hear where you got it from. Other than the Compass, every Jeep offering is as capable or more capable than previous offerings...period.

For a fact the next Grand Cherokee should be more able to off and on road better than anything before it. The thing has the ability adjust suspension 11inches I believe. The towing power was over 7000lbs from what I read. Once you start throwing mods into the mix, it may be a bit more difficult, and I can't imagine what a suspension system like that costs when it breaks, but stock for stock should be pretty awesome. However, even on my '05, I wish there was a 4x4 function that would lock the wheels together. AWD is great for rain and light snow, but the deep stuff and mud really could benefit from this. Sure, I have 4-Lo, but it's not very practical for deep snow purposes because I'm usually doing over 25mph.

I'm still a bit miffed that the Explorer is going to a FWD platform. I read about Ford trying to do this to the Mustang in the mid 80's.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Probe_GT_I.JPG


Anyway, is there anything with more room than a Wrangler with 4x4/AWD, ground clearance and a manual transmission that's not a 4-banger?? I don't think such a thing exists anymore.

91_z28_4me Mar 31, 2010 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by z28 justin (Post 6315871)
Anyway, is there anything with more room than a Wrangler with 4x4/AWD, ground clearance and a manual transmission that's not a 4-banger?? I don't think such a thing exists anymore.

Maybe the FJ cruiser or H3.

Z28x Mar 31, 2010 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me (Post 6316149)

Originally Posted by z28 justin (Post 6315871)
Anyway, is there anything with more room than a Wrangler with 4x4/AWD, ground clearance and a manual transmission that's not a 4-banger?? I don't think such a thing exists anymore.

Maybe the FJ cruiser or H3.

They stopped making both of those. F-250 Crew cab meets his requirements. Lots of space, great off road and a 5.4L V8 with a 6 speed manual.


Originally Posted by z28 justin (Post 6315871)
I'm still a bit miffed that the Explorer is going to a FWD platform. I read about Ford trying to do this to the Mustang in the mid 80's.

An Explorer is a lot different than a Mustang. It doesn't matter to 99.99% of people if the AWD/4WD system is based on FWD or RWD. All that matters is when they need it both the front and back wheels spin.

toneloc12345 Mar 31, 2010 02:26 PM

I think you can get a frontier with a manual trans... I can't remember the name of the SUV counterpart...


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