Any word on if the Hurricane will be a pushrod motor?

 

Nope, last I heard it was still OHC. Larger bore + OHC = high revving fun. The shorter deck is really going to help with the width issues the 4.6L and 5.4L had. When I find out more, I'll let you know. But at this point I think Ford is really really wanting to keep this under wraps until they can drop the bomb

 

I like to think that I've done pretty well racing the Mod Motor 4.6, but I'd sure like to see Ford come out with something better - a lot better. Something more LSx-like in power and dimensions. I'd welcome a non-Modular "Hurricane" engine.

 

Can you substantiate ANY engines problems on the GT with anything other than the admitted "rumor only" on BON (National Enquirer of the automotive world)???

People who work at all the factories mentioned in BON's article have all said that all is moving as normal. Thus, are you going to believe BON before you believe the actual people working at the plants???

MB and BMW get it alright.............. but at a very high price. For the price of a Cobra (even at MSRP), you can buy a V6 MB, or I6 BMW with next to no options. Their performance cars are not even in the same price range as the Cobra.......... and neither is the CTS-V.

Yes they are all very nice cars, and I have never said they are not. However, to directly compare $50K+ cars with $34K cars............. and then say the $50K car is better........... is............ well............. how do you put it........... DUH !!!

I am also disappointed that Ford did not see fit to advance the Lincoln LS the way they should. If they had come out with an SVT version of the car, I would probably buy it............ as I have always liked the car. However, I think it was more a matter of finances at the time, and the fact that Ford needed to get their core "brand" back on it's feet first. They have gone a long way towards doing that, and it would appear that they are now starting to work on Lincoln and Mercury. I guess we will have to wait and see what transpires.

 

I did see the post at BON and assumed that it was true. I certainly hope that it is not...this would be a terrible black-eye for the GT40.

I really do not know where I was making a direct comparison between the Mustang and other cars. An earlier poster brought-up performance of the cobra and that *no* other car was as fast that could seat 4. If you go-back and read the entire thread you will see this point very clearly. I then began discussing the lack of performance/quality in the luxury market for US mfgrs.

Unfortunately, what many of the domestic car mfgrs are missing is that people are willing to spend good money on good cars. Ford should be realizing this with the success of the GT40...we will see! As far as Lincoln goes...I hope it is not too little too late!

 

No, MB and BMW don't get it. Why the heck would I ever pay so much money to purchase an M3 that looses a race to 1/4 the cars out on the road, sure it handles extremely well, and beat most things on the twisties, but the fact the seats don't hold you in worth a damn, and the shifter I'd break off on a hard 1-2 shift doesn't appeal to me, and they void your warranty just for waxing it (j/k). And MB, they offer an AMG package that only squirms out a measly 350hp on a C32 for a mere $65k. Oh, better yet, spend 25% more and you can upgrade to a N/A CLK55 which only pushes out around 350hp. Beautiful car, would love to own one, but if I'm going to pay that much money forget it. I'll take the new z06 thank you or the GTO Judge if it ever comes to existence. Most ppl need to remember that only maybe 5% of the population can afford a CL,SL,E55, and they are the ones that don't even appreciate the car for what it really is. It's a big shinny dick shooting blanks on the road. As R&T said, give us an AMG package that equals hp as the rest such as the SL55, etc for less money.

Sorry enough rant though.

Really think Ford is making a huge mistake. I personally believe there to be more mods available (or at least more worthy due to more power increase) for a s/c car and still stay within realms of a warranty if you can hide some of them well, just like the little rice cars with turbos on them, they are mod galore happy with these cars. N/A cars, well sure you can toss a s/c on, but then there goes your warranty. And very obvious you have one as well. Now if they save the 5.4 s/c engine for a new Shelby Mustang that is fairly priced, less than a C6 by far, i can totally agree to the decision to make that the premier car. If not, give us our s/c 07-08 Cobra please, thank you

 

Maybe I can give you a pointer or two on shifting an M3. Don't know how many shifters you've actually broken....but the gear shift is so smooth and precise....all you need to do is "snick" it, with a flick of your wrist...even in banzai mode.

And the M3 is no slow poke either, it'll run low 13's...easy, high 12's are possible.

They cost alot, but some people aren't only looking for the absolute fastest 0-60. The M3 is a magnificent piece....if you are willing to pay a premium for it.

 

Ford didn't put a "Mod" motor in the LS because it won't fit with the space Ford requires for it's assembly line installations. It might fit, but you are probally talking millimeters. The 3.9 is externally a small engine.

Ford dropped the ball with the LS, and it still baffles me as to why Ford can't correctly market the thing and why they seem to be intrested in replacing it with a FWD Volvo based car. The car feels smaller than it already is, the 3.9 has alot more than average punch, the thing feels GREAT on curvy roads, and it's chassis is world class. They killed the McLauren LS that was supposed to beat the CTSv to market, then they jacked up the V8 to really stupid prices. On the other hand, used LSs seem to be catching on with alot of younger people here. I see plent running around with young 20 somethings with 18"ers and 245s+.

As far as quickest 4 passenger production cars, Car & Driver (the one car mag that typically gets the quickest acceleration runs) got the CTSv down the quarter in 13.7 at 107, and the Cobra at 12.9 @ 111. Cobras are solid 4.5 second 0-60. IF you can control the wheel hop on the CTSv, you might be able to match the Cobra, but C&D's best time (using the same launch techniques they always use) got only 5.3 out of the CTSv.

Enough to make the 2004 Mustang Cobra the quickest North American made car that seats 4 people.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

 

N/A 5.4??? interesting; i might wait for the cobra after all....but what would the price of the DOHC 5.4 be weightwise? Could the engine weight, IRS, and all the interior bells and whistles that SVT will add push the weight over 3650lbs?

 

The 5.4 they are referring to is aluminum. The current 4.6 in the Cobra is iron, and adds the weight of the blower, intercooler, heat exchanger, etc. In other words, the basic powertrain should come in somewhat lighter.

 

Actually, you can get a C55 AMG, which makes 362 hp and does 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, and MSRP is $54,600. Not everyone is able to blow $55K on a car with 2 seats and little-to-no bad weather drivability. For those people who want 4 doors, 4 second range 0-60 times, and 4 season drivability, there's the C55 AMG.

As for the quickest North American made car that seats 4... You're qualifying things an awful lot to get that title. I've got the fastest dark maroon 89 Caravan SE made by a one armed midget. Does that matter? No. Just like being the fastest North American made 4 seater doesn't matter unless you fit this description: won't buy cars made outside of N.A., won't buy cars that seat less than 4, and won't buy cars that aren't fast. How narrow of a demographic is that?

 

Ahhhh...that makes sense regarding the LS/engine fit. I personally felt the handling on the CTSv was much better then the LS which was one of the major reasons I did not consider the LS. Regarding 1/4 mile times and 60' times on the CTSv...your numbers are about right. The fastest actual speed I have seen in 1/4 is around 109. The wheel hop is fun as well...this is my only complaint with the CTSv.

 

Whahaha .

Either way, GTO is money well spent.

 

Well, just my opinion by far, but if you mean smooth as being able to shift the car using your pinky as it is soooo light, then yes, it is VERY smooth shifting car. But in terms of accuracy, no way! Tried a few different M3 shifters and they were all the same, slop, flop, and plop. Maybe its the german way of doing things, I dunno. My old cobra and my ta has very accurate and precise shifting. I know I'm going into 3rd when I shift it. I know I'm in second when I pummel that handle down hard. The M3 just felt like I may be in 3rd, or is it 5th? Did I just shift into 4th from 1st? Didn't feel all that accurate.


and MB released a C55? When did this happen? Even still, 360hp...... better price by far, but c'mon MB, toss on that nice hot s/c and have a real driving machine a lot more ppl can afford and enjoy for what it is.

 

Anyone feel that Mustang may be bumping it's head against a future $70K Cobra's glass ceiling, ( the two seater...not the Mustang)?

The "Cobra Rule".