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Old 02-05-2010, 01:26 PM
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Motor Trends Alpha facts"

http://wot.motortrend.com/6604864/fu...#ixzz0ecuKgXe9

I didn't realize CTS is going to Alpha too.
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I don't understand why the current CTS needs to grow from 191.xx inches to something over 197 inches?

BMW 5-series is 191.1 in long, MB E-class is 191.7 in, Audi A6 is the longest at 193.5 in. If true, why does GM need to go bigger than the class it's attempting to compete with? CTS grew to be too huge to compete with 3-series, so they're making ATS... Now CTS will creep up to be the size of 7-series?

edit: I hope MT is wrong about CTS gaining 6 inches in length
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Some things....

1) ATS is coming sooner than that, (in 2012).
2) CTS is coming abit later than the article states, (2015 or later).
3) CTS will be on Alpha (+) which is a stretched version of Alpha.
4) Camaro will come after ATS, not at the same time.
5) If Mustang has a V8 (it will) so will Camaro.
6) Yes, Camaro and Alpha have been tied together since before the 5th gen's intro. (Toldja so. )

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We expect the next Camaro to be lighter, to GM North American President Mark Reuss' liking, and somewhat smaller
I sure hope so.
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That's good news....if it happens.
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Mercy! This sounds like great news. I not a "fat Camaro" hater. I love the 2010, but if it got more agile, that would be wonderful.
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I could live with 10% smaller, but more than that would make me consider other options. My wife says the 2010 is too small as it is.
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
I could live with 10% smaller, but more than that would make me consider other options.
Well.... going by the official dimensions, a 10% smaller car would give us a Camaro that is 171 inches long, 68 inches wide and about 49 inches high. It would have a wheelbase of (ironically enough) 101 inches and would weigh 3465 lbs.

Sounds good to me.

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca
Well.... going by the official dimensions, a 10% smaller car would give us a Camaro that is 171 inches long, 68 inches wide and about 49 inches high. It would have a wheelbase of (ironically enough) 101 inches and would weigh 3465 lbs.

Sounds good to me.
Surprising that Jeff would say that considering how much he's stated he wants a large Camaro..
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
My wife says the 2010 is too small as it is.
With standards like hers... Congratulations, Mr. Superman!
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Originally Posted by muckz
I don't understand why the current CTS needs to grow from 191.xx inches to something over 197 inches?

BMW 5-series is 191.1 in long, MB E-class is 191.7 in, Audi A6 is the longest at 193.5 in. If true, why does GM need to go bigger than the class it's attempting to compete with? CTS grew to be too huge to compete with 3-series, so they're making ATS... Now CTS will creep up to be the size of 7-series?

edit: I hope MT is wrong about CTS gaining 6 inches in length
I imagine it has something to do with "CTS" having the most equity at Cadillac outside of Escalade, so they will put that name on the most upmarket product, the large car.

I guess moving the car up a class would cause less confusion than moving it down. I guess they don't feel the STS moniker is worth anything.
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Originally Posted by Chewbacca
Well.... going by the official dimensions, a 10% smaller car would give us a Camaro that is 171 inches long, 68 inches wide and about 49 inches high. It would have a wheelbase of (ironically enough) 101 inches and would weigh 3465 lbs.

Sounds good to me.
Let's call it the Smokey Yunick special!
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Surprising that Jeff would say that considering how much he's stated he wants a large Camaro..
Note that I said "I could live with 10% smaller" not that I prefer it. From an interior space aspect I actually like the size of the 2010.
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Note that I said "I could live with 10% smaller" not that I prefer it. From an interior space aspect I actually like the size of the 2010.
It would be great for GM to offer both a large and small coupe... and an even smaller coupe to rival the BMW 1-series coupe.

Personally, I prefer my cars to be bigger. There is nothing about the current Camaro that I particular dislike... apart from the oversized steering wheel. I would hope that a smaller Camaro doesn't lose its aggressive looks and beautiful proportions. It's not easy to design small cars to make them look aggressive.
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Originally Posted by Chewbacca
Well.... going by the official dimensions, a 10% smaller car would give us a Camaro that is 171 inches long, 68 inches wide and about 49 inches high. It would have a wheelbase of (ironically enough) 101 inches and would weigh 3465 lbs.

Sounds good to me.
Your 10% smaller is actually closer to 27% smaller. 10% smaller in total size would drop W/H/L by about 3% each. I suspect that's what he meant.

So 3% would drop 5" length, 2" width, and 2" height (hopefully all below the door sills), and the car would lose about 10% in volume. That sounds pretty good to me, though I wouldn't complain about a further size drop.
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