Since this seems to be the only site on the internet without TED's list, I'll assume it's politically correct to discuss this.

As we saw on the "list", the "Camaro" Zeta coupe is planned for CY '08 and it's sister Chevy coupe, the Monte Carlo, for a year later.

I'm pretty sure that they're both the same size.

Are you willing to wait another 4 years for a Monte Camarlo......or do you insist on a real Camaro.

 

What I want to know Z284ever, is this list legit and real?

If so, I would believe at this point it would be real difficult for Camaro to come out on a different platform. But the auto industry is prone to turn things around on a dime so who knows......

If the Camaro does come out on Zeta, how difficult would it be for GM to change it up so it looks completely different from the Monte in looks, size, and weight?

 

If we're talking about something that looks like a gigantic RWD Cobalt coupe, I don't think the wait would be worth it. I also don't think that a 5 passenger Zeta platform coupe with the "Camaro" name is appropriate or tasteful. Come to think of it, the name Monte Carlo might not be the best bet either.

They should call it Cobalt EXT.

 

Call it a CHEVELLE.........that's what it seems like it will be.

I'd rather wait or not get a Camaro at all if it turns out to NOT be a legitimate Camaro.

Calling it Chevelle, would open up numerous variants...i.e. El Camino, Stationwagon, 2 door, 4 door, etc...

Get it right or go home.......

 

Um, its not its "sister car"... The Zeta Camaro has a Segment Code of SP as does Pontiac GTO.

The Zeta Monte Carlo is Segment Code D, as are the Pontiac Grand Prix and Chevy Impala, all long wb Zetas.

I know you hate the idea of a Zeta Camaro, and I happen to agree that I'd rather see some sort of Beta version myself, however, before we pass judgement on the car, can we wait a couple years to see what the darn thing is going to look like first?

 

There are two wheelbases. A Commodore/Monaro/Lumuna size (SWB), and a Statesman/Caprice size (LWB).

Nothing smaller.

My impressions of the current state of affairs is:

Sizewise....... MonteCarlo = Camaro.

But I don't think it's too late to let our voices be heard.

 

Oh.....


No we can't. By then it'll be too late.

 

I think there actually may even be three wheelbases. Did you notice that the first Zeta out of the gate, the Buick Roadmaster has a third designation?

Here's how I some it up:

Sports coupes = Camaro & GTO
Sedans = Monte Carlo, Impala & Grandprix
Gunboats = Velite & Roadmaster

I think when we see what the 2008 GTO looks like, we'll have a general idea on what the Camaro will look like (of course it'll be out a year later).

Unfortunately that means no 2007CY Camaro.

 

I believe the long rumored "small" Zeta was nothing but vaporware.

If it existed, Holden would have built the Torana concept off of it.


Let me also leave you with a chilling thought (chilling for me anyway).....

Consider a Camaro, based off of the GTO's blackmetal, but actually slightly larger than GTO.

 

Ok, that is a chilling thought. I was hoping GTO size with lower roofline and slightly longer snout.

 

I'd rather see the Camaro name put to rest.

 

We really don't know enough about Zeta yet to be passing any kind of judgment on it. The Monte will obviously be different from the Camaro. The Velite concept we saw was a 'bigger' Zeta and we have heard about how flexible Zeta is. So why not just wait to see what happens before you start bashing it from every angle? Yea I know you want the next Camaro to be the size of a Mini, but not all of us here do. If GM should be hearing any voice, it should be the one of relief that we've got some kind of solid evidence of a Camaro return. Thats it. Because we don't know enough about Zeta's to pass judgment on whether or not its worthy of the Camaro nameplate. In the words of you...
Please delete this very silly thread!

 

Speak for yourself.


I suppose that they can remove the center rear 5th seat, for that "sporty cockpit feel".

Wrong....and wrong.


Don't you think that'll be sort of too late? Hmmmmmm?

Don't think anyone here...or in fact anywhere....wants a MINI sized Camaro. Just a Camaro sized Camaro. Don't know why that concept is so hard for you to mentally assimilate .

 

A "Camaro-sized Camaro" for the last 22 years has been over 190", but you don't want that either. That is why your concept of "Camaro-sized" is tough to assimilate.

What you are meaning to say is that you want a 1st-Gen sized Camaro....and that would be preferable to me too. I'm going to have some confidence that the caretakers of the Camaro name and the next car itself know what will work best for the next car. They've done the market research, they've most certainly got input from Camaro enthusiasts like you and I (they'd be dumb as fence post if they haven't).....

 

Who's to say that MC won't end up being a 4 door? Wasn't guy hinting at that a couple months ago?

I think its suicide to issue two rear drive 2 door coupes from the same division, the market's just not there for it.

You can differentiate them with sheetmetal and facias, limit MC to a high-feature V6, etc. etc. etc. but I think its a bad business decision.

however, if MC is a 4 door car (I know it breaks with MC heritage to do so, but if SUV's are the new family car, maybe 4 doors is the new coupe) and a v8 is available, this could usher in a huge new performance era for GM.

Imagine a performance lineup of rear drive cars with V8s available like this:
Vette
CTS-v
GTO
Camaro
MC
Impala
A Buick model...
Grand Prix?

That would be a HUGE boon for the aftermarket as basically all performance parts would be interchangeable among the Zeta cars.