Holden's 60 Coupe Concept
03-01-2008, 10:41 AM
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What you have here guys, is the Holden Monaro concept version of the cancelled GMX282 GTO.
I've got to say, that I think Holden did a much nicer presentation of this concept than GMNA did of the Camaro concept. This thing is just dripping with cool road race inspired cues and elements. Where the Camaro concept's details were - well - gimmicky, the 60's are just badass.
I've got to say, that I think Holden did a much nicer presentation of this concept than GMNA did of the Camaro concept. This thing is just dripping with cool road race inspired cues and elements. Where the Camaro concept's details were - well - gimmicky, the 60's are just badass.
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03-01-2008, 11:07 AM
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What you have here guys, is the Holden Monaro concept version of the cancelled GMX282 GTO.
I've got to say, that I think Holden did a much nicer presentation of this concept than GMNA did of the Camaro concept. This thing is just dripping with cool road race inspired cues and elements. Where the Camaro concept's details were - well - gimmicky, the 60's are just badass.
I've got to say, that I think Holden did a much nicer presentation of this concept than GMNA did of the Camaro concept. This thing is just dripping with cool road race inspired cues and elements. Where the Camaro concept's details were - well - gimmicky, the 60's are just badass.
I'm hoping that can make it over here as a Pontiac coupe, be it called GTO or somehing else.
03-01-2008, 01:23 PM
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The 60 Coupe as a new Camaro would have erased all of that. It's a thoroughly modern, beautifully styled car that would have re-defined the pony car for the 21st century and really put the Mustang and Challenger to shame. People would legitimately cross-shop and compare it to G37s, 3-series BMWs, and other aspirational cars. It would have improved GM's image, instead of giving fodder to those perpetuating the mullet stereotype about Camaros. And I would have been first in line to buy one.
03-01-2008, 01:28 PM
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The 60 Coupe as a new Camaro would have erased all of that. It's a thoroughly modern, beautifully styled car that would have re-defined the pony car for the 21st century and really put the Mustang and Challenger to shame. People would legitimately cross-shop and compare it to G37s, 3-series BMWs, and other aspirational cars. It would have improved GM's image, instead of giving fodder to those perpetuating the mullet stereotype about Camaros. And I would have been first in line to buy one.
GM has an answer to those cars. It comes in the form of the G8 and CTS. Really where GM is missing the boat is the lack of a coupe versions of these cars. The 60 will solve that issue for the G8... I don't know about the CTS.
03-01-2008, 02:07 PM
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03-01-2008, 02:28 PM
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I actually think cars like the 3-series fulfill the same mission that pony cars did in the 1960s. They provide young couples with a car that can do family duties when necessary, but have enough sportiness and visual appeal to make their owners feel young and let them have some fun. In a perfect world, the pony car should have evolved to the market occupied by the 3-series. Which is why I think the 60 Coupe would have made a much better Camaro.
03-01-2008, 02:39 PM
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Despite what automakers and car magazines would have you believe, the market is not divided up into tidy little categories where cars compete only against others in their segment. Just because one car is labelled a "pony car" and another is a "luxury sport coupe", doesn't mean people won't cross-shop them. People purchase things according to their needs, and if a $28,000 "pony car" happens to fulfill those same needs as a $35,000 "luxury sport coupe", well, they're not going to care what segment Car and Driver thinks they belong in.
I actually think cars like the 3-series fulfill the same mission that pony cars did in the 1960s. They provide young couples with a car that can do family duties when necessary, but have enough sportiness and visual appeal to make their owners feel young and let them have some fun. In a perfect world, the pony car should have evolved to the market occupied by the 3-series. Which is why I think the 60 Coupe would have made a much better Camaro.
I actually think cars like the 3-series fulfill the same mission that pony cars did in the 1960s. They provide young couples with a car that can do family duties when necessary, but have enough sportiness and visual appeal to make their owners feel young and let them have some fun. In a perfect world, the pony car should have evolved to the market occupied by the 3-series. Which is why I think the 60 Coupe would have made a much better Camaro.
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03-01-2008, 02:54 PM
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03-01-2008, 02:54 PM
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Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling that people apply the term "ponycar" pretty loose and fast nowadays?
I mean people call all manner of two door cars - the GTO, this 60 concept, even the Challenger, a ponycar. But, the 3 or 1 series coupe, the G35/37 coupe and the upcoming Genesis coupe - all of which, IMHO, are far more appropriately sized for the term "ponycar" - are not.
Odd.
I mean people call all manner of two door cars - the GTO, this 60 concept, even the Challenger, a ponycar. But, the 3 or 1 series coupe, the G35/37 coupe and the upcoming Genesis coupe - all of which, IMHO, are far more appropriately sized for the term "ponycar" - are not.
Odd.
03-01-2008, 03:41 PM
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Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling that people apply the term "ponycar" pretty loose and fast nowadays?
I mean people call all manner of two door cars - the GTO, this 60 concept, even the Challenger, a ponycar. But, the 3 or 1 series coupe, the G35/37 coupe and the upcoming Genesis coupe - all of which, IMHO, are far more appropriately sized for the term "ponycar" - are not.
Odd.
I mean people call all manner of two door cars - the GTO, this 60 concept, even the Challenger, a ponycar. But, the 3 or 1 series coupe, the G35/37 coupe and the upcoming Genesis coupe - all of which, IMHO, are far more appropriately sized for the term "ponycar" - are not.
Odd.
03-01-2008, 03:52 PM
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Words cannot describe how much better of a Camaro this would have made. The one we're getting sends the completely wrong message about what kind of company GM is in the 21st century. It says GM is a follower not a leader (For did a retro Mustang? We should too!). It says GM is slow to respond to the market (the retro fad is 10 years old and pretty much over, so why bring out another retro car now?). It says GM is too risk-averse to try to evolve the segment, and would rather stick with what worked in 1967. The Camaro will appeal mostly to GM enthusiasts and people that yearn for the glory days of the 1960s (a small and shrinking market) but isn't going to do much to bring new buyers into the GM fold. To me, the Camaro screams 'old GM thinking' far too loudly.
The 60 Coupe as a new Camaro would have erased all of that. It's a thoroughly modern, beautifully styled car that would have re-defined the pony car for the 21st century and really put the Mustang and Challenger to shame. People would legitimately cross-shop and compare it to G37s, 3-series BMWs, and other aspirational cars. It would have improved GM's image, instead of giving fodder to those perpetuating the mullet stereotype about Camaros. And I would have been first in line to buy one.
The 60 Coupe as a new Camaro would have erased all of that. It's a thoroughly modern, beautifully styled car that would have re-defined the pony car for the 21st century and really put the Mustang and Challenger to shame. People would legitimately cross-shop and compare it to G37s, 3-series BMWs, and other aspirational cars. It would have improved GM's image, instead of giving fodder to those perpetuating the mullet stereotype about Camaros. And I would have been first in line to buy one.
IMO the Camaro will still be an excellent and attractive car, but I agree that choosing it over this "GTO" was a fundamentally conservative decision. GM chose to go back to the old Detriot ponycar formula rather than building an aspirational conquest car.