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Sure you can disable them, but if you do the airbag is worthless, because it won't work.
I do not like the idea of black boxes in auto's just for the purposes outlined in the news story. They are not reliable. They sentenced a man to 30 years in prison because the black box said he was going 122mph.
The human investigator on the other hand said he was doing 80mph.
Somehow we as humans are not capable of doing our jobs. Thats exactly what the court case proved. It just goes to show how flawed our legal system is these days.
I do not like the idea of black boxes in auto's just for the purposes outlined in the news story. They are not reliable. They sentenced a man to 30 years in prison because the black box said he was going 122mph.
The human investigator on the other hand said he was doing 80mph.
Somehow we as humans are not capable of doing our jobs. Thats exactly what the court case proved. It just goes to show how flawed our legal system is these days.
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I’m not sure what you thought was ridiculous about the report regardless of how you feel about these data recorders.
Personally, I detest the intrusion of such technology into our cars particularly when the “word” of a piece of equipment that may or my not be accurate is taken over the word of a human being who is trained to reconstruct an accident.
It may well be that the convicted man should have been convicted but he shouldn’t be convicted based on a piece of technology when the prosecution’s own experts disagreed with the results…these devices should probably be relegated to the same role of “lie detector tests” which is useful in an investigation but not admissible as actual evidence.
Of course, I have about the same feelings of “On Star”…if there is any one thing that will prevent me from buying another GM product is the ridiculous “On Star” technology – I had no objection to it being an option but when they started slapping in everything they sold, wanted or not, they went much too far for my tastes.
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Personally, I detest the intrusion of such technology into our cars particularly when the “word” of a piece of equipment that may or my not be accurate is taken over the word of a human being who is trained to reconstruct an accident.
It may well be that the convicted man should have been convicted but he shouldn’t be convicted based on a piece of technology when the prosecution’s own experts disagreed with the results…these devices should probably be relegated to the same role of “lie detector tests” which is useful in an investigation but not admissible as actual evidence.
Of course, I have about the same feelings of “On Star”…if there is any one thing that will prevent me from buying another GM product is the ridiculous “On Star” technology – I had no objection to it being an option but when they started slapping in everything they sold, wanted or not, they went much too far for my tastes.
Just my $0.02
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Of course, I have about the same feelings of “On Star”…if there is any one thing that will prevent me from buying another GM product is the ridiculous “On Star” technology – I had no objection to it being an option but when they started slapping in everything they sold, wanted or not, they went much too far for my tastes.
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Just my $0.02
Not to mention if you do get into an accident, OnStar calls the authorities on the drop of a dime.
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Now, I can appreciate OnStar. My mother has used it twice already since taking delivery of her 2006 Envoy. It helps her when she is lost (which if you know her, can happen going around the block).
Not to mention if you do get into an accident, OnStar calls the authorities on the drop of a dime.
Not to mention if you do get into an accident, OnStar calls the authorities on the drop of a dime.
And even an woman can learn how to use a map is she wants to
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I’m not sure what you thought was ridiculous about the report regardless of how you feel about these data recorders.
Personally, I detest the intrusion of such technology into our cars particularly when the “word” of a piece of equipment that may or my not be accurate is taken over the word of a human being who is trained to reconstruct an accident.
It may well be that the convicted man should have been convicted but he shouldn’t be convicted based on a piece of technology when the prosecution’s own experts disagreed with the results…these devices should probably be relegated to the same role of “lie detector tests” which is useful in an investigation but not admissible as actual evidence.
Of course, I have about the same feelings of “On Star”…if there is any one thing that will prevent me from buying another GM product is the ridiculous “On Star” technology – I had no objection to it being an option but when they started slapping in everything they sold, wanted or not, they went much too far for my tastes.
Just my $0.02
Personally, I detest the intrusion of such technology into our cars particularly when the “word” of a piece of equipment that may or my not be accurate is taken over the word of a human being who is trained to reconstruct an accident.
It may well be that the convicted man should have been convicted but he shouldn’t be convicted based on a piece of technology when the prosecution’s own experts disagreed with the results…these devices should probably be relegated to the same role of “lie detector tests” which is useful in an investigation but not admissible as actual evidence.
Of course, I have about the same feelings of “On Star”…if there is any one thing that will prevent me from buying another GM product is the ridiculous “On Star” technology – I had no objection to it being an option but when they started slapping in everything they sold, wanted or not, they went much too far for my tastes.
Just my $0.02
I'm never one to be fond of what is considered "news" each night. Obviously they have to have a hook for you to watch. But this isn't a slippery slope to your car emailing you a ticket for barking the tires into second gear. If recorded crash data (and remember that's what were talking about) can provide insight into a car accident, especially where lives are lost, why not use that technology? Should it be taken as truth above all other evidence, even if it has contradictions? Well, I guess that makes for a better news story...
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Personally, I detest the intrusion of such technology into our cars particularly when the “word” of a piece of equipment that may or my not be accurate is taken over the word of a human being who is trained to reconstruct an accident.
It may well be that the convicted man should have been convicted but he shouldn’t be convicted based on a piece of technology when the prosecution’s own experts disagreed with the results…these devices should probably be relegated to the same role of “lie detector tests” which is useful in an investigation but not admissible as actual evidence.
Of course, I have about the same feelings of “On Star”…if there is any one thing that will prevent me from buying another GM product is the ridiculous “On Star” technology – I had no objection to it being an option but when they started slapping in everything they sold, wanted or not, they went much too far for my tastes.
It may well be that the convicted man should have been convicted but he shouldn’t be convicted based on a piece of technology when the prosecution’s own experts disagreed with the results…these devices should probably be relegated to the same role of “lie detector tests” which is useful in an investigation but not admissible as actual evidence.
Of course, I have about the same feelings of “On Star”…if there is any one thing that will prevent me from buying another GM product is the ridiculous “On Star” technology – I had no objection to it being an option but when they started slapping in everything they sold, wanted or not, they went much too far for my tastes.
OnStar, yeah, that should be an option. Or at the very least easily disconnectable. Then there is the fact that you have those stupid bittons in your face all the time. Maybe if I drove a car with 'em, I'd get used to them, but they always seem to stick out horribly when I see a car equipped with OnStar. That's also a very good reason to get a Z06, the battery is where the OnStar should be.
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Yep black box data should be corroborated by expert human testimony. Black box data could be wrong due to malfunction of some component / sensor or less likely tampering.
Just as DNA evidence used in criminal investigation should be accompanied by witness and human forensic expert testinmony; DNA evidence can be mixed up in the lab under sloppy procedure or planted (to frame) and also in many cases only proves presence of someone in the vicinity possibly along with others.
Got to have some checks and balances in place.
Just as DNA evidence used in criminal investigation should be accompanied by witness and human forensic expert testinmony; DNA evidence can be mixed up in the lab under sloppy procedure or planted (to frame) and also in many cases only proves presence of someone in the vicinity possibly along with others.
Got to have some checks and balances in place.
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